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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2024, 02:31:00 PM +0000 » |
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Unfortunately this requires that moderators have to review replays and reports to find transgressors and they cannot simply look at the "stats" to determine guilt, but it might provide a clue to persistent offending.
I'm not sure that's true. In the GPLRA lap reports, [64] designates an off-course lap; [80] is a cut corner. That seems to me to be pretty easy to detect. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2024, 04:49:02 PM +0000 » |
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I have done some practice here, and I am getting through the final chicane as fast as I can which means two wheels on the kerb, maybe occasionally 3 (I think) and I have had no missed times that I am aware of. Perhaps some people are taking more serious liberties? I am watching for it, but have seen nothing obvious yet.  |
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2024, 04:53:56 PM +0000 » |
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Even the pirouette and crossing the chicane on sand did not make it (80) invalid...  |
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2024, 05:47:55 PM +0000 » |
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Even the pirouette and crossing the chicane on sand did not make it (80) invalid...
Very interesting, it looks like relying on the GPL Invalid Lap counter and by inference check points is a flawed strategy. However, it would be interesting to confirm the unreliability. Can I ask for some volunteers to check the race replays for the two races for tonight? It would involve reviewing the whole replay from each driver's F10 view and comparing that to the GPLRA report. It would give us a good comparison on a track that has an obvious corner cutting opportunity. If we had 10 volunteers to cover a maximum of 18 + 16 = 34 drivers, it shouldn't be too arduous. It would be too much for one person. |
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Pepe Higdon
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2024, 07:22:25 PM +0000 » |
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It seems that if the checkpoints are removed (or semicoloned out), the [80] turns into a regular [64]. Sigh.  |
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2024, 08:16:54 PM +0000 » |
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I was kicked off twice in few minutes from UKGPL07 while training.
As it happened during last race in Bulawayo too I'm thinking my F2 mod installation has some issue...
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2024, 08:22:46 PM +0000 » |
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I was kicked off twice in few minutes from UKGPL07 while training.
As it happened during last race in Bulawayo too I'm thinking my F2 mod installation has some issue...
Please re-test to Ams server UKGPL11 (have just sterted it going again for a brief test). Looks as though UKGPL07 may have 350ms max ping enabled, have removed the limit from UKGPL11. (Although as you had issues at the last track, maybe this is not the issue...) |
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2024, 08:35:45 PM +0000 » |
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I'll remove max ping from 07
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2024, 08:36:18 PM +0000 » |
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Thx Dave, just tried it without experiencing any issue.
I'm crossing all of my fingers for the race...
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2024, 10:33:41 PM +0000 » |
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That was hairy! Unlucky Rog, don't know what happened at the start - but I didn't see you ahead as expected. Also unlucky Matt - I knew you were the quicker guy by far; I just tried to keep the tow to hopefully break away. Good fighting in places, but of course you would want your rightful place back. Guess that spin took its toll. After the recent conversations - I was trying really hard: ON TRACK LAPS
Driver Laps/Total Percent
Dave 67F2 Curtis (18/19) 94.74
Pepe HigdonF2 (15/19) 78.95
rog uk (15/19) 78.95 Cheers all. Dave. |
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2024, 10:39:42 PM +0000 » |
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Grats Dave, a win with 18/19 on-track laps. Probably worth checking the replay to see where you went wide on the one off-track lap so we know what the GPLRA considers the track limits.
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2024, 10:50:42 PM +0000 » |
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Le silence éternel de ces espaces infinis m'effraie
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2024, 12:35:56 AM +0000 » |
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Grats Dave, a win with 18/19 on-track laps. Probably worth checking the replay to see where you went wide on the one off-track lap so we know what the GPLRA considers the track limits.
Annoyingly, I think it was the gravel trap at Spoon. |
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2024, 12:36:50 AM +0000 » |
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When you show up in qualifying and turn in a PB by nearly one second, you'd like some sort of modest reward, wouldn't you? I would, and after doing a 2:19.5 on the fifth lap, I retired to play around for the next 30 minutes or so. I had a solid second place. I knew I would wind up third when Matt showed up with a 2:17 to justify my next scheduled visit to the psychiatrist. I pay him $300/hour to tell me why I spend my life playing GPL because my mother thought she was married to Napoleon or something worse.
But enough of that. My solid second on the grid soon turned into a solid sixth. OK, Pepe, go with the flow. This isn't a car-breaker track like Zeltweg, and they allow not only unlimited, unpenalized resets but training wheels and outriggers, but someone's got to go home early, right? So just sit tight and gain a couple of places with a snappy start when the green flag drops. That was the plan.
I lost at least three places with that worthless flag and spent the next forty-seven minutes trying to recover what I'd lost in the first five seconds. It ended with an epic battle with Paul that lasted maybe one or two weeks. I finally overcame him but the damage to my heart and nerves will have me in the offices of my cardiologist and neurologist at least for the next two months. But it was worth it, right, to start sixth and finish sixth? Oh, Lord, please say "yes."
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2024, 05:35:35 AM +0000 » |
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I've looked at the replays of the guys who beat me tonight. Of them only Dave and Roger, as did I, kept two wheels on the track on every lap at the three sections denominated as track limits. David cut the course six times, Matt managed to stay within the limits on three laps, and Eric cut the course on every lap except one. If I am not mistaken, cutting the course at the chicane gives a driver an advantage of one or two seconds per lap. If we were abiding by the guidelines established by the track designer, there would have been penalties exacted for course cutting --- stop and waits amounting to 20 seconds or so per lap per infraction --- but here the administrators, in their infinite wisdom, decided against that. The view, as best as I can understand it, is that we don't really know where the track limits are. We need bales or posts or something to tell us. That argument has not comforted me much, to be honest. I figured how to get around those corners somehow without such help.
I've never filed a protest in this or any other online racing league. This is a hobby for me, something to while away my otherwise empty hours. I'm just disappointed that I spend a lot of time trying to do things right when it turns out that doing things right really doesn't matter.
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