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March 24, 2024, 11:12:06 PM +0000 - Imola (1953-72) - UKGPL Season 44 (Spring 2024) 1967 F1 (Privateers)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ricardo Valim da Silva
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 3 +0.603
119.189mph
1 47:52.170
117.200mph
30 1:34.407
118.854mph
Goodyear  
Moises Pereira
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) (#1967) F1 1967 1 1:33.538
119.958mph
2 +14.936
116.594mph
30 1:33.551
119.941mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 6 +2.072
117.358mph
3 +30.028
115.987mph
30 1:35.031
118.073mph
Goodyear  
Albert Hallu
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 14 +5.755
113.005mph
4 +1:21.758
113.956mph
30 1:36.944
115.743mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 9 +3.040
116.182mph
5 +1:29.600
113.654mph
30 1:36.651
116.094mph
Firestone  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 13 +5.243
113.591mph
6 +1L
112.803mph
29 1:37.440
115.154mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 REV
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 15 +5.901
112.839mph
7 +1:24.101
109.608mph
29 1:37.330
115.284mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 8 +2.526
116.803mph
8 +4L
114.767mph
26 1:36.362
116.442mph
Disco
Firestone  
Rainier
 Equipe BGB
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) (#1967) F1 1967 5 +1.630
117.903mph
9 +7L
115.785mph
23 1:35.497
117.497mph
Disco
Firestone  
phspok
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 4 +1.060
118.614mph
10 +10L
115.880mph
20 1:35.034
118.069mph
Disco
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 11 +4.749
114.162mph
11 +13L
103.782mph
17 1:39.800
112.431mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Mikos
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 7 +2.412
116.942mph
12 +22L
114.235mph
8 1:35.658
117.299mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Pepe Higdon
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 10 +4.407
114.560mph
13 +24L
110.175mph
6 1:38.720
113.661mph
Disco
Firestone  
CubbieRoo
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 12 +5.210
113.629mph
14 +26L
104.306mph
4 1:40.286
111.886mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Eric Bilodeau
 Equipe BGB
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) (#1967) F1 1967 2 +0.339
119.525mph
15 +28L
112.846mph
2 1:36.399
116.398mph
Disco
Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Equipe BGB
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 16 +16.774
101.717mph
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Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL10
 
BRM P115 (#1967) F1 1967 17 ---
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Goodyear  

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« on: March 18, 2024, 05:56:15 PM +0000 »

Season 44 F1 1967 PRIVATEERS – Round 6 – Imola
The sixth race in the 1967 Works Grand Prix series finds us at Imola. The track was inaugurated in 1953, and it had no chicanes, so the run from Rivazza all the way to Tosa, through the pits and the eventually notorious Tamburello was totally flat out, as was the run from Acque Minerali all the way to Rivazza was just a long straight with a few small bends; and the circuit remained in this configuration until 1972. Long time home of the San Marino Grand Prix (and once of the Italian Grand Prix) the circuit is fast, bumpy and dangerous. After the deaths of Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna in 1994, the track was remodelled to reduce speeds but we use the original, high speed layout.

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Track download = Imola
Track directory = imola
Quali starts = 20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race starts = ~21:30 UK time
Race length = ~50 min -> 30 laps
Replay = here

Please check the Season 44 details regarding rules and the 1967 F1 Privateers Championship pages in particular.

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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2024, 01:54:50 PM +0000 »

Another "awkward" read "technical" track. There seems to be a thread of tracks for this series of picking the ones that separate the Aliens from the Humans
It's nice to run at a period track for the cars though. This one seems very low grip, trying to brake for Tosa is scary bussiness  Shocked
the run from Villeneuve into Tosa seems very much shorter than other track builds, and then trying to stop for the Tosa hairpin is "interesting"
I am trying a few cars, but heavy cars seem to be easiest to drive, though not fastest, so far so off the pace..
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2024, 02:06:26 PM +0000 »

Matt,
get a Robert Fleurke setup at groundhog/weekly,
if there is no Imola take a Nurburg as a balanced base (http://www.formulado.hu/weekly/?p:crank/files/)
I prefer an easy handling car here - Fez or BT24...

This track needs many laps routine and a good rhythm of shifting down!
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2024, 03:04:06 PM +0000 »

Thanks Axel

I tried one of Robert's setups for the bouncy Interlagos, and I couldn't drive it
And the site won't let me in from this PC, I will have a look when I get home  Cool
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2024, 03:17:02 AM +0000 »

I tried one of Robert's setups for the bouncy Interlagos, and I couldn't drive it

Move his FBB from 49% to 53%, change his ramp angles from 30/85 (or whatever insane setting he's using) to something more moderate, and make sure his toe in/toe out aren't in the sixth standard deviation. You'll be OK.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2024, 08:20:40 AM +0000 »

I have FBB of 60 or 61 for all mods. I don't know how you lot do it with lower numbers. (I'm a right-foot breaker)
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2024, 09:18:47 AM +0000 »

Thanks Pepe

I think I did what you said. Less than 50 for Front brake is beyond my pay grade.
I am usually around 62-54 depending on car and track.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2024, 10:12:39 AM +0000 »

I am told that  BB of -50 involves/requires.......

Left foot braking, right foot braking won't work because
maintaining around 10-15% throttle is essential to prevent rear wheels locking and heel and toe isn't quite precise enough.
 micro precise balancing of pressure on brakes balanced against throttle to control the angle of drift and prevent a slide/lock up. All wheels must continue to rotate because a locked wheel offers no grip either for braking or cornering. Plus excessive sliding or wheelspin will heat the tyres and you lose grip.
An alien DNA with light speed reflexes to achieve all of the above.

I only know this because I cannot do it!! Undecided

 
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2024, 12:30:23 PM +0000 »

Funny I am doing this and do not claim to be alien, my brake bias is mostly 49 at some tracks 48

I simply was looking for a method of stable braking - SCX Ford MK4 360kph to 65kph Mulsanne....

I watched the braking replay in the SCX gearbox view (90° side) and learned wich tyre locks first,
so I reduced the BB to the value I had a good feeling and could smoothly go further into acceleration.

Of course a load cell brake where you can dose the braking helps a lot, and left foot braking.

2 years ago I would have proposed Masaki Asano setups for beginners, he had modified the Huttu setups for normal drivers...
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2024, 03:56:39 PM +0000 »

I agree with Axel that a load cell brake allows much more "feel" with the brakes and TBH I have used 49% at times with the 67 Honda. But, delicate control is needed for that car to prevent that huge engine overtaking the front end. If I can maintain my concentration it works, if I cannot, then it gets ugly very quickly!!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2024, 04:17:50 PM +0000 »

Well, I looked into my archive and found 3 MA setups

https://www.mediafire.com/file/ckkztjuzwrdygs0/imola.7z/file
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2024, 01:25:14 AM +0000 »

As far as I'm concerned, I use 90% of the Masaki Asano setups. I always have 49% or 48% for the brake distribution; (at 52%, I just can't turn the car).
Almost always, with MA, the ramp angles are 45/60
I'm not necessarily going faster than with an 85/30 setting, but I feel more comfortable.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2024, 02:35:23 AM +0000 »

As far as I'm concerned, I use 90% of the Masaki Asano setups. I always have 49% or 48% for the brake distribution; (at 52%, I just can't turn the car).
Almost always, with MA, the ramp angles are 45/60
I'm not necessarily going faster than with an 85/30 setting, but I feel more comfortable.

I've never heard of Asano. I used Schultze's setups from 2017 to last year, then began using knockoffs from Rob Fleurke because I couldn't get the tires heated sufficiently. Now I'm in a sort of no-man's land, ever trying to get at least to FBB = 50 with at least 60/45 ramp angles and always chickening out ten minutes before the race begins.

Are Asano's setups on the web somewhere? My initial Googling produced nothing.
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2024, 03:16:30 AM +0000 »


Are Asano's setups on the web somewhere? My initial Googling produced nothing.

I found them on the old site "gpltrackdatabase".
Now, we can get them from GPL setup, from various setup compilations.
You recognize them easily: Masaki Asano names his files like this, for example for Imola: MA Imola Q3 13235.bb1
You can't be wrong, it always starts with = MA (Masaki Asano)
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2024, 12:14:23 PM +0000 »

As far as I'm concerned, I use 90% of the Masaki Asano setups. I always have 49% or 48% for the brake distribution; (at 52%, I just can't turn the car).
Almost always, with MA, the ramp angles are 45/60. I'm not necessarily going faster than with an 85/30 setting, but I feel more comfortable.

I had this exact discussion when I got back into GPL in 2016 and joined an oAo team with Col Bentley as my team leader. I told him I'd read in one of the early GPL manuals that tweaking setups at best could make you a second or two faster than the default setup that Papyrus gives you on the original tracks. He didn't believe me, but he tried it. It's true. Setups don't make you fast, but they can make you faster if you're already fast. You get to be fast by coming out of corners better than the other guy. I'm afraid, like death and taxes, that's a fundamental law of nature. In the last oAo race at BA55N2 my usual exits from the last corner onto the S/F straight hit 128 mph. You were coming out consistently at 130 mph. That's why you lapped me, not because of ramp angles or FBB settings. As an aside, in their race at the same track a week earlier, Fleurke and Albrecht were doing 138 at that exact point (yeah, in Ferraris, not Coopers, but the point remains).

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