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January 06, 2009, 09:27:20 PM +0000 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.643
96.925mph
1 40:13.421
94.824mph
24 1:39.626
95.712mph
Goodyear  
Asbjeurn Tverberg
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 3 +1.369
96.215mph
2 +58.078
92.596mph
24 1:39.565
95.771mph
Dunlop  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +2.803
94.843mph
3 +59.824
92.530mph
24 1:40.011
95.344mph
Goodyear  
NHance
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +3.042
94.618mph
4 +1:26.206
91.554mph
24 1:42.290
93.219mph
Dunlop  
norbert
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +2.634
95.003mph
5 +1L
90.751mph
23 1:42.183
93.317mph
Dunlop  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 4 +1.980
95.626mph
6 +18.594
90.058mph
23 1:40.969
94.439mph
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +4.722
93.066mph
7 +49.418
88.932mph
23 1:42.879
92.686mph
Dunlop  
Clutch4
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:37.736
97.563mph
8 (+1) +5L
90.762mph
19 1:39.818
95.528mph
accident
Goodyear  
happyal
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 10 +6.038
91.886mph
9 +13L
86.426mph
11 1:45.104
90.724mph
Disco
Dunlop  
G Poole
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +5.062
92.759mph
10 +22L
82.458mph
2 1:43.094
92.492mph
Disco
Goodyear  
4 UKGPL
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 11 11 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

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A disciplined run by Steve landed his second win, though it might have all been so different if it hadn't been for a collision between the leaders on lap one. Apart from that, it was quite a good showing by the Novices, who all got round T1 and Druids safely- and a solid debut from NHance.

As I've noted before, at this level I'm not going to penalise drivers for failing to stop-and-go after a reset, if they don't finish on the same lap as the leader.

Steve's win gives him enough points to contend for the title- if there's a possibility of a showdown at Monza, Sam will return to defend his championship lead!


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Hawthorn L1

This was an unfortunate incident, as both drivers seemed to have the prospect of a great race. However, Clutch should have been aware that Asbjeurn was attempting to pass on the inside, and Asbjeurn achieved sufficient overlap to claim his share of the track.

If the lead car stays on the outside, the inside car often has to lose too much speed for the pass, so there's no need to move across.

I've waived the additional place for a Lap 1 incident, and the penalty points, due to inexperience. However, because Clutch needed to reset, he would have been penalised further for not taking a stop-go, had he finished. This might have seemed harsh, because he reset when unable to get back over the hedge onto the track, after spending some time searching for a gap!


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Clearways L14

Asbjeurn cuts back in too soon when passing Norbert, but the contact between them is warp.

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« on: January 03, 2009, 01:52:08 PM +0000 »

UKGPL Season 16 - Novices and Amateurs - Race 8 - 65 mod - Brands Hatch

Tim is leading the Amateurs as we enter the final stages, though he is yet to win a race!  The Lotus cars of Storm and Natan are his closest rivals, while Nicky needs a good result and John is almost out of contention after missing Silverstone.  Though the move to two separate divisions next season will involve some rebalancing of the chassis allocations, I would hope that this leading group would be comfortable with the same cars, as the racing has been very close.

Sam and ginsters are moving up from the Novices after Silverstone, leaving a more open field.  With steady improvement of the other beginner drivers, there might even be a surprise on a tricky circuit where the most consistent drivers will have the advantage.  Welcome to the drivers who have joined over the break.

There has been another request for improved aero for the 65s- the RSC thread is here:  http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=329607
While some consider the 66 tow excessive, the slower top speeds of the 65s would reduce this problem to a large extent.  Also, the current 65 model isn't that of the original cars as it was impossible to make it work- the crude solution was to increase top speeds 5%.  The 65s with tow might be fantastic racing- and of course the existing 65s would still be an option.

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Race date = 6-1-2009
Time = 20:45
Track =  Brands67
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = Long (24 laps)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  The inaugural Race of Champions was staged at Brands in 1965.  Mike Spence won over the two heats, in a Lotus 33.  Jim Clark had the fastest qualifying time at 1:34'9.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ has the download of the most recent 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.

Unfortunately the current 65 mod download does not have default setups.  Default setups for all the cars and tracks that are likely to be used can be downloaded from http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver under '65 setups'.  Note that you will have to add enough fuel for the race, whether short or long!
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 09:07:46 AM +0000 »

I think you've probably doomed me there Jack!
Also note I'm somehow managing to lead the 66's, again without any wins to my name  Grin

Unfortunatly for me tonight, the Power and Glory V2 mod was released over Christmass which means I havn't touched GPL since our last fun race. I spent last night hotlapping Oulton park in a Mann Falcon (mucho's sideways angel) rather than practicing for tonight - not good as I'm not sure I've ever driven any of the 65's around Brands........
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 12:23:19 PM +0000 »

65s is extreme fun at Brands, you can really push hard and get away with it. Hope I don't forget about the race in the last minute again...
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 02:41:06 PM +0000 »

65s is extreme fun at Brands, you can really push hard and get away with it. Hope I don't forget about the race in the last minute again...

What car will you be taking Hristo? Are the likes of you and me expected to take one of the slower cars?
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 02:43:21 PM +0000 »

65s is extreme fun at Brands, you can really push hard and get away with it. Hope I don't forget about the race in the last minute again...

What car will you be taking Hristo? Are the likes of you and me expected to take one of the slower cars?

I see you've been using the Cooper, and the likes of Clive and Lorenzo have used the BT7. Might try to make this one.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 05:10:22 PM +0000 »

Yeah, obeying orders and sticking to Cooper for the whole season.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 06:15:38 PM +0000 »

You'd be welcome Ken- by 'the likes of' you mean your Soggies team-mates?  Could you take the BT7 as well, if you can make it? 
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 08:39:08 PM +0000 »

You'd be welcome Ken- by 'the likes of' you mean your Soggies team-mates?  Could you take the BT7 as well, if you can make it? 

Yes, that was who I was apertaining to Jack, but unfortunately as per usual I've just been asked to respond to a domestic emergency and so I'll have to give this one a miss. Maybe next time.   Sad
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 10:26:19 PM +0000 »

Need more pratice before the next race, wasn't ready for the race Sad

Looking forward to the next race.

Added the Novice race report to this thread

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3949487#post3949487
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 10:28:35 PM +0000 »

Got a lot on and it showed. Poor effort for my 200th race :'( Trust you all had fun.

Think I might knock GPL on the head for a while and catch up with you for start of next season. I'll be back Wink
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 10:33:31 PM +0000 »

Congrates to who-ever won.
It's now 22:30 here and I've finally succeeded in getting the f****ng track to load  censored

Just half a lap on the wrong setup suggests it would have been a barrel of laughs too  Angry
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 10:47:29 PM +0000 »

A promising start (for me  Wink) marred by the urge to prune the hedge by the bridge (which I now refer to as the Bridge of a Thousand Spins  cursing).
After a few goes at hedge pruning it was a case of punt the car round to the finish, and keep to the left…

PS: Didn't get any warp
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 11:01:08 PM +0000 »

My best Qually yet, ruined with a cold tyre spin after 3 corners.

Followed Alistair for a while who was warping so badly in front of me that I couldn't pass him. I had stuttering the whole time but no other warping issues.

Had a SHIFT-R / SnG then set about chasing the pack down, most of whom made life easier by spinning in front of me.

I think I cooked the engine a bit as it seemed to lose power about two thirds through the race and Clutch kept spinning and catching me easily and my times were down a bit too.

Had a chance of catching Norbert towards the end and got to about 2ooyds behind him but a spin put paid to that.

Good qually, bad race.

Glad to see the back of the circuit tbh.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 11:57:30 PM +0000 »

I'm not sure disaster covers it.
Stuck it on pole with a PB that was 1.3 secs quicker than anything else i'd ever done. Not sure where it came from. Spent the rest of qually testing the car with race fuel and it felt good so felt quietly confident of a decent finish.
Lap 1 and was first until halfway round the lap when Tverberg (?) made a move and knocked me over the hedge. (thats racing). Spent the next 30 seconds working out a way to get back over the hedge without Shift-Ring. As i saw last place 20secs up the road on the timing screen, took a shift R and gave the stop-go penalty a miss (if one was due for this incident?).
Caught up Tverberg who must have taken a stop / go and we made our way through the pack and i got up to about 4th when.. i got severe cramp in my toes on my left foot (my clutch foot)! Spent the next 6 laps lapping very slowly whilst trying to massage my toes and unable to change gear. Even pulling off the track in agony at some points.
With 12 laps to go the cramp passed and i thought i could settle into a rhythm and move up from last place. Made up a couple of places and then.. my screen timed out, went blank, and i crashed at Druids.
Got going again and started the hunt back from the back of the pack.. again. Had a good dice with Miner but couldn't get past until he eventually went wide and i got past.
Caught up to the next place and looking at the timing screens thought i may have a chance at 4th or 5th.. as it is.. 4 laps from the end... The engine blew up! First time ever on my 65 BT11.
As a new starter i can't really complain as thats how it goes sometimes. I had the pace, but it all went wrong. I'll cringe my way through my lap times on the race report as they were all over the place due to my problems.
Even after all that.. still sort of enjoyed it.. Thats GPL.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2009, 12:22:44 AM +0000 »

Bought a dog a couple of months ago and running around with him after a hard day at work is more fun than sitting in front of a PC. Did no laps practice and was thinking about cutting the walk short to get home for 9pm but too happy being outside on a cold dry night.

Hope to make the next one.
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