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February 03, 2009, 09:48:40 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 1 1:37.112
132.423mph
1 34:20.715
131.050mph
21 1:37.415
132.011mph
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 2 +0.081
132.313mph
2 +12.819
130.240mph
21 1:37.365
132.079mph
Dunlop  
Will Tway
 Crash 'N' Burn Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 5 +0.464
131.794mph
3 +23.923
129.547mph
21 1:38.045
131.163mph
Goodyear  
Storm_Cloud
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +0.872
131.245mph
4 +34.043
128.921mph
21 1:38.220
130.929mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 13 +1.640
130.224mph
5 (+3) +42.919
128.377mph
21 1:38.959
129.952mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +0.276
132.048mph
6 +45.600
128.213mph
21 1:37.763
131.541mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +0.521
131.717mph
7 (+1) +56.254
127.568mph
21 1:37.924
131.325mph
Dunlop  
Jack O'Ferrall
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 14 +1.950
129.817mph
8 +1:08.197
126.852mph
21 1:39.263
129.554mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +1.362
130.592mph
9 +1:09.096
126.799mph
21 1:38.816
130.140mph
Dunlop  
happyal
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +0.900
131.207mph
10 +1:09.797
126.757mph
21 1:38.005
131.217mph
Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +1.289
130.689mph
11 +1:20.370
126.131mph
21 1:38.508
130.547mph
Dunlop  
Burtoner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 15 +2.277
129.389mph
12 (+2) +1L
124.020mph
20 1:38.862
130.079mph
Goodyear  
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.204
130.802mph
13 +54.900
120.822mph
20 1:38.660
130.345mph
Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +0.790
131.355mph
14 +2L
129.066mph
19 1:38.155
131.016mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 3 +0.107
132.278mph
15 +17L
122.347mph
4 1:38.644
130.367mph
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Dunlop  
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Moderator's Report

Tim gets his first win of the season to take the championship in style- and face immediate compulsory recruitment by the Wazas, who already have one Gazza-Waza! Hardlines for Natan, who fought hard and fairly all season, among a leading group of drivers who hadn't a chassis disadvantage. Next season, with two divisions from the outset, there should be the opportunity for some very equal racing.

The 65 mod is to be improved with a slipstream, with UKGPL's own John Roberts among the lead testers. Unusually the existing 5% top speed compensation might be retained, so that the cars will have a 'double tow'. It is supposed that rank times will then be unaffected. However, the ranks could just use the earlier .exe, as with the new one with the extra speed taken out, the cars would be slower on their own. I wouldn't like to have old rank times prevent more realistic racing, when this can easily be avoided.


Server replay time: 0h01m06s

L1 Curva Grande

Clive rear-ends Ken and sends him spinning. Burt makes the incident far worse when he first outbrakes Steve and slight contact sends Steve into the armco, then hits Fulvio who collides with Steve. Burt is finally stopped by a collision with Ken. Al hits Ken as well and Al's engine explodes.

Though it is too early for flags, Burt is too fast into the corner when there is a spinning car ahead.

Clive loses a further place for a Lap 1 incident.


Server replay time: 0h01m43s

L1 Lesmos

Burt rear-ends Steve into the first of the Lesmos, sending him into the armco.

Burt loses another place for a lap 1 incident.


Server replay time: 0h03m06s

L2 Lesmos

Hristo is inside Natan at the first of the Lesmos. Natan is far too much on Hristo's side of the track so that when Hristo hits the kerb the slight correction sends Natan into the armco.

Hristo was able to continue and if there had been no further consequence no penalty would have been applied, but Natan slews back onto the track and Storm, ginsters and Clive are all affected.

Natan also fails to take a stop-and-go after his reset.


Server replay time: 0h34m47s

L21 Lesmo

Nicky has the inside line approaching the first Lesmo and strays to the outer edge of his side, Clive on the outside line is close to the inner edge of his. This results in contact between them.

Nicky is too wide into the corner but the contact after Clive begins his turn seems to be very close to the centre line. Though it seems to be more Nicky than Clive both drivers might have been advised to remain more clearly on their side of the track. However, the wide line at the first Lesmo is by far the more difficult, and Clive was entitled to expect that Nicky might allow him more room.

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2009, 11:59:56 PM +0000 »

Congratulations to Tim on a great win both in the race and the championship!

This season was my first foray into GPL racing online and I loved it. Came in with no expectations but heartily chuffed to bag the win at Silverstone.

Definitely coming back for more and will try to find time for a bit more practice next season.

Thanks to all the other racers and especially the admins for doing such a great job - without the admins devoting so much free time we'd all be racing offline - never forget it!
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2009, 12:57:08 AM +0000 »

Firstly, congrats to the Amateurs and Novices champions and all winners and finishers.
Qually wasn't my PB but happy enough. Race was going ok until the engine blew 3 laps in, hence a Shift/R and stop n go. After that it was a case of consistency. Ended up 6th (think my best result), mostly through others misfortunes but guess that's racing...
 
In summary of my first season -
I have to admit that, after I had a very shaky start at Mosport back in September, I almost hung up the wheel. Glad you guys talked me out of it, although with hindsight I did start racing online too soon.
Anyway, I'm pleased with my progress. Started from scratch five months ago and have now got to the stage where I sometimes actually do some racing, even if it is at the back  Wink. I have had the honor of being made a Moderator and especially pleased Geoff, Mike and Bartosz felt I was progressing enough to join the Clark-Hill team - I'll do my best to repay your faith lads...
GPL is a steep learning curve but once you're past the initial hurdles it pulls you in - you fast guys seem light years away, but I guess the only way is up  wacko
So - I've enjoyed it, great bunch of drivers and great moderators who put in so much of their time to making UKGPL such a good league - I'll be back...
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2009, 10:31:08 AM +0000 »

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First of all ;
Congratulations to Tim on a great very well  deserved win here at Monza and  win of the the Amateur`s championship too !!
Big hand to Natan makin it 2nd in the championship and to Storm_Cloud  making it 3rd  in there.

Congratulations as well to the winners of Novice`s championship in order : Samb , Asbjeurn and Steve !!
And of course to my friend Norbert making it to an great overall 4th in his first ever GPL season . well done mate !!

Well , I like to thank all racers taken part and as well the admins for making this 65 season so thrilling and enjoyable !!
And off course big hand to all those spending so much time and work  for setting up servers  !!


I am really looking forward to next 65 saison here to come .
Hopefully with slipstream , collision box and 60fps patch  on . who knows .   

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Very short racereport :

Qualy to me went ok , being 0,4sec behind my PB serves me 4th on grid .

Catched an excellent start , lifted me on 2nd behind Tim

I let Natan passed me by to open him his race to Tim and settled on  3rd  ,
Which was quit comfortable , coz did know Hristo`s car got too less topspeed here at Monza  compared to Ferrari..
Nevertheless we got an closed situation at Para , I guess , cause in my mirrors  I  saw him suddenly run wide . Sorry for that , but to me on my screen there was plenty of free space between both cars and definitely no touch/chrash at all. But cause my engine explodes couple of meters ahead , I can imagine the collision box indeed did simulate sort of accident at Para.
Later on I noticed two times the same thing happened to drivers I overtook . Apologize for that . as usual I forgot to save replay , so cant say much really.

Anyroads  , after my pitstop I could fight my way from end of the field up to 7th in the end. Surprisingly my engine did stay alive that part. Lol.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2009, 11:32:27 AM +0000 »

It's been a pleasure racing the 65s this season and I'm very pleased to have won the Novice championship  Grin (Providing the results stand of course  angel). I must say congrats to Tim on winning the Amatures and to the Soggies for winning the team championship.

I'm afraid I was needed somewhere else just before the race started so I joined the Novices and left, in hope of a couple of points for turning up. It was sad to leave the season on a whimper but nevertheless the entire season has been very enjoyable. Bring on season 17!
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2009, 01:53:07 PM +0000 »

Another in a long series of crap races for me.

Bogged down off the line but not as badly as the Ferrari in front of me.  That let Evil get the jump on me but only as far as Curva Grande where he rear-ended Ken.  Luck was with me at this point as I passed between the two of them.

Settled down to follow Ginsters BRM but only as far as Lesmo 1 on lap 2.  At this point, on my replay, Natan didn't allow Hristo anywhere near enough room and Natan ended up spinning all over the place and causing all manner of mayhem.  Including bringing me to a halt.

When I set off again I had Burt for company.  He passed me going into Curva Grande a few laps later but my hopes of using him for slipstreaming disappeared when he took to the sand at Parabolica a few laps later.

I found Ken looking lost and we both plodded on, although I think he was showing as a lap down.  He must have had a worse time than I had!

I think that the server was only showing one car behind because after a while my pit board said that Nicky was closing but all I could see was Ken.  With a lap to go, although I didn't realise it, Nicky cleared Ken and I was in trouble.  I had been closing on Evil but wasn't going to be able to get to him before Nicky got to me.

I made myself as wide as I could past the pits but there was no defence when he pulled right between Curva Grande and Lesmo 1.  I went into Lesmo 1 wide but Nicky seemed to lose control under braking and swiped me against the Armco, from where I rebounded into the path of Ken. 

When I set off, eventually, I found the car a bit strange and going into Parabolica the front right locked very quickly.  Not realising that it was the last lap I stopped and did a ShiftR, only to be told that the track wasn't clear.  The world and his mate came steaming past whilst I sat there in sight of the finish.  Including Burt!

The side swipe at Lesmo cost me dear.

Dave tried to put me in the BT11 at the half way point of the season but I declined on the basis that whilst it would enable me to run at the front, it was hardly fair on the other drivers, such as Evil and John Roberts who would still be trapped in the slow cars.

If next season's 65 are organised along similar lines and I am able to race in it, then I will be in a BT11 or Lotus. 
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2009, 02:25:36 PM +0000 »

My best race meeting so far and I was hoping for a good one to close out the season.

Got a PB in qually both with the lap time and 3rd slot. Made a place into CG on Lap1 and my heart was a thumping as I have never run as high as 2nd in an official race.

I got messy in Lesmo 2 and got outhauled by Asbejurn then the next lap I did it again and this time it was Norbert's turn. I put up minimal resistance, making one go round the outside and the other (who was closer) have the inside.

Next Clutch got out of Parabolica better than me and beat me into CG so I was running 5th which I would have been happy to finish in tbh, but then came the mayhem at CG as the 3 in front of me decided to build a roadblock. I aimed to the outside then the inside but a Ferrari was heading that way so pointed it down the centre and luckily got through the carnage, unlike those behind me.

So, back in second I said out loud to myself "Take it easy, don't spin and you can finish 2nd." Not one to make things easy I spun at Parabolica which let the leader Bartosz get away and open up an 800yds lead which I closed to no less that about 700yds. It was all about keeping ahead of the chasing Norbert from then on with no sign of me catching the leader, even without my spin, but then I wouldn't have risked a pass anyway as Clark-Hill Racing may not have scored a memorable 1-2.

With 7 or 8 to go I noticed the fastest lap time was indeed not that fast so i had a few pops at it and got it with 4 to go. I still wasn't that fast but made a couple of errors that could have put me in trouble so I backed off and secured the 1-2. Asbejurn nicked the laptime from me by a midge's widgy.

Great way to end the debut season for me. Now to think about Season 17 and the possible formats.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2009, 02:30:55 PM +0000 »

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went into Lesmo 1 wide but Nicky seemed to lose control under braking and swiped me against the Armco, from where I rebounded into the path of Ken.


extremly sorry for that Clive , hope you will except my apologize.

trouble is , to me there wasnt any problem while brakin into L1 , as well plenty of space between both of our cars .nothing happend to my car , was only my left mirror told me that there must have been something happend to you. damned hell its a pitty.  Sad Sad

hope the 65patch will come soon .

here a outake from an RSC thread . Paul explaining :

There is nothing wrong with GPL netcode.

We have been testing 66 for which I have modified the collision boxes to exactly match each individual car.
Providing the clients have a good connection to the server you can race wheel to wheel with 66. Last night I was pushing Stuart through Ascari at 160 mph, our cars did not fly into the air. We have also had some very close racing in the test sessions with wheels only mm apart.

There is a problem with collision boxes for other seasons. For 67 all the boxes are the same and as we know the cars are different sizes so there are errors there.

For 65 the errors are compounded because 65 uses 67 collision boxes and yet the 65 cars are much smaller. So although it appears in the graphics that you have clearance between you and the next car, in fact you do not.

For 69, although it also uses 67 collision boxes the situation is reversed. Because 69 is generally wider than the 67 you can be very close to other cars without incident.

Again this is all providing the connection between clients and server are good.



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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 03:55:14 PM +0000 »

Well, what an end to my first ever season in a GPL league!  Cool
After Zandy I realised I was only a couple of points off Natan (this was before the moderation and his penalty) and realised it was all or nothing here at Monza.
Not being overkeen on the nothing part I spent last Friday night working solidly on setups and simply working out the fastest and most efficient way around Monza - When I said in the pre-race chat that I did 100 laps I wasn't kidding, the lap counter had just flipped over to 0 again when I finished my final test run in the qualifying setup (Named 'Crazy Qualifying' due to the mind bogglingly daft camber settings and wierd gear ratios ninja)

I was slightly disapointed with my qualifying result as the setup was good for consistant 1.36.9xs when I created it, just couldn't find that extra tenth on the day even though Pribula was telling I was good for 1.36.6something. All 3 of my fastest laps were good for pole though so I was happy enough anyway  Grin

Then the start:
Was double checking my setup and furiously bailing fuel out of the tank having noticed the race was 3 laps shorter than I'd planned for, I think I joined the grid with only 4 seconds to go!  Shocked
Then proceeded to switch off all my pribula displays barring the gap behind/ahead display and nearly forgot to select first before the flag was raised  Roll Eyes
I made good when the flag was dropped as I made a perfect full throttle launch down the track, I was so pleased with this and the sound of someone behind bogging down (Jethro as it turned out) that I totally forgot about my unusual gear setup and plonked her into 2nd the instant I reached 12,000Rpm.
Major disaster! 2nd was geared long enough to take me through the entire Lesmos complex without changing so I was now at just under 8,000Rpm and watching Nicky making a slow advance on me in Prib.
Luckily the rest of my gearing was slightly more conventional so I'd stabalised the gap just before entering Curva Grande, where I managed to pull .1 of a second ahead, each Lesmos gave another .2 which had me at approx 1 second in the lead already!
The next two laps were a pleasure to drive as my race setup is so utterly controllable and easy on cold tires, lap 3 saw my first 1.37 and a gap of over 2 seconds to the car behind, It also brought warm tires and an end to my pleasure as the car entered race mode.
Gone now was the perfect balance of grip between front and rear tires, replaced with a slight tendancy to understeer that would rapidly snap to oversteer if a tire got too hot - it was however a very fast and consistant setup so worth the risk I felt, I have a few idea's to squeeze another tenth or 2 out of it for next time.....
I spent my time from here to lap 7 concentrating on fast clean laps, then I caught a glimpse of what I believe to be the temp guage showing nearly 120 degrees C!  nuke
As I was slightly pulling away from the field still I took to changing at 11,500 and occaisionally using third between the Lesmo's, this brought the temps down again and didn't seem to let Jethro catch me at all so I continued with the nursing....

Everything remained stable until about 2/3rds distance when Jethro threw out his balast and started to very slowly pull me back in, gaining a couple of FL's on the way - My 'safe' race tactics had to be thrown out of the cockpit now if I was to win so the 12,000 rev limit was re-drafted and where suitable I held 2nd between the Lesmo's (By this point the car was of course faster, I was hitting approx 13,500Rpm on these ocaisions!).
It slowed his approach but he was still coming, with about 3 laps to go the gap was 2.5 - 3 seconds when I caught (Burt?) spinning down the track on the exit of Lesmos 2. It seemed that each time I changed direction to avoid him his car would move that way eek
Thankfully he stopped spinning in time to see me and stay clear so I got past cleanly, at Parabolica Jethro wasn't to be so lucky - don't know what happened there but the gap went from an indicated ~2 seconds to showing the car I'd just past again (I couldn't seem to see more than 1 car back either) some 8 seconds back.
You shouldn't be penalised for your Shift R I'd imaging Jethro, and looking at the analyer I'm not 100% sure it cost you a win anyway.  Smiley
It would have been damn close by the line (under half a sec by my reconing ) but unless I made a mistake under pressure I don't think you had time .

So, a very hard race despite the lack of wheel to wheel battles for position - thanks for keeping me sweating! (literally! I stank after that race Embarrassed)


Thankyou to everyone in the league, you've been a pleasure to race against. I have fond memeries of battles with probably half of the field!
And - of course - A really big thankyou to the moderators and admin here at UKGPL, none of this would have happened without you  I Am Not Worthy

Now I just hope I can keep my seat in the Honda as Mrs. Fujikawa has sent recruitment 'officers' to my house to request I join them - They have big swords so I don't want to have to say no!  helpsmilie


*edit:
Oddly enough my Replay analyser only shows peak water temps of 104 degrees and oil temps of 106  Huh
Seems my safety ploy in the midpart of the race was unnessary, I also need to study my dials a tad more carefully so I know I'm looking at the right ones!
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2009, 06:53:15 PM +0000 »

Mine turn Wink

I'm very happy with the race result Cool

In practice I beat my PB, and finish on pole.

I had a good start to the race, and very quickly managed to build 2 second lead. My problems starts when Asbjeurn came on second place. He was very fast that I just couldn't escape. For some time I thought that my heart will jump of my chest, like an alien Wink
On lap 8 Asby had spin, and my pulse were normal again. After that I have concentrated on making clean laps, and keep mike away from me Wink

I want to thank everyone involved in UKGPL for keeping that wounderfoul Sim alive, and letting me to race with you Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2009, 10:03:51 PM +0000 »

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went into Lesmo 1 wide but Nicky seemed to lose control under braking and swiped me against the Armco, from where I rebounded into the path of Ken.


extremly sorry for that Clive , hope you will except my apologize.

trouble is , to me there wasnt any problem while brakin into L1 , as well plenty of space between both of our cars .nothing happend to my car , was only my left mirror told me that there must have been something happend to you. damned hell its a pitty.  Sad Sad

hope the 65patch will come soon .

here a outake from an RSC thread . Paul explaining :

There is nothing wrong with GPL netcode.

We have been testing 66 for which I have modified the collision boxes to exactly match each individual car.
Providing the clients have a good connection to the server you can race wheel to wheel with 66. Last night I was pushing Stuart through Ascari at 160 mph, our cars did not fly into the air. We have also had some very close racing in the test sessions with wheels only mm apart.

There is a problem with collision boxes for other seasons. For 67 all the boxes are the same and as we know the cars are different sizes so there are errors there.

For 65 the errors are compounded because 65 uses 67 collision boxes and yet the 65 cars are much smaller. So although it appears in the graphics that you have clearance between you and the next car, in fact you do not.

For 69, although it also uses 67 collision boxes the situation is reversed. Because 69 is generally wider than the 67 you can be very close to other cars without incident.

Again this is all providing the connection between clients and server are good.



paul

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=298957


As you seem to be well aware of the collision box problem, why not drive accordingly?? Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2009, 05:25:30 AM +0000 »

It was a mixed season for me, with the Cooper being so underpowered and although that works for qualifying most of the time, except at tracks like Monza, it gives you no chance of passing in races and generally loses you positions at the start. So most of the time I had to push too much plus a few missed races, but overall it's been an enjoyable season for me.

About the Monza race, I was quite pleased with my qualifying lap but it was still only good enough for 6th I think. I had a great start though and could've gone even further up if I didn't have to lift up to avoid the Honda infront of me. Still managed to pass a few cars and on the run to Lesmo I was alongside what turned out to be Natan (thanks Clive) and although I outbraked him and kept absolutely to the inside he must've turned into me and sent himself off, but luckily for me my car didn't react too much.

I pushed hard while the tyres were cold and people were slowing each other down and similar accident happened on the next lap with somone when again I had the inside and the guy chosed to not leave much room, but nothing I can do about it.

I was up to 3rd or 4th at the time, can't remember, but to keep up with the fast cars ahead meant I had to take risks all the time which wasn't comfortable at all and eventually I paid the price by going off at Parabolica twice. First time it was when trying to go around the outside of Nicky (we didn't made contact, I just ran wide and touched the grassy edge), but that off didn't cost me much time and his engine expired infront of me on the s/f straight. For some laps I could almost keep up with Jethro but then he put the hammer down and disappeared into the distance. I guess I could've slowed down a bit and secure 3rd because the next one behind was some 6 seconds away, but I kept pushing and went off again at Parabolica, this time losing alot of time and many positions.

The final couple of laps saw me slowly closing in on the two cars ahead, but it wasn't enough and with 1 lap to go my PC restarted for some reason.

Grats to Tim for winning the title!
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2009, 09:24:49 AM +0000 »

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went into Lesmo 1 wide but Nicky seemed to lose control under braking and swiped me against the Armco, from where I rebounded into the path of Ken.


extremly sorry for that Clive , hope you will except my apologize.

trouble is , to me there wasnt any problem while brakin into L1 , as well plenty of space between both of our cars .nothing happend to my car , was only my left mirror told me that there must have been something happend to you. damned hell its a pitty.  Sad Sad

hope the 65patch will come soon .

here a outake from an RSC thread . Paul explaining :

There is nothing wrong with GPL netcode.

We have been testing 66 for which I have modified the collision boxes to exactly match each individual car.
Providing the clients have a good connection to the server you can race wheel to wheel with 66. Last night I was pushing Stuart through Ascari at 160 mph, our cars did not fly into the air. We have also had some very close racing in the test sessions with wheels only mm apart.

There is a problem with collision boxes for other seasons. For 67 all the boxes are the same and as we know the cars are different sizes so there are errors there.

For 65 the errors are compounded because 65 uses 67 collision boxes and yet the 65 cars are much smaller. So although it appears in the graphics that you have clearance between you and the next car, in fact you do not.

For 69, although it also uses 67 collision boxes the situation is reversed. Because 69 is generally wider than the 67 you can be very close to other cars without incident.

Again this is all providing the connection between clients and server are good.



paul

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=298957


It's not just the collision boxes you have to consider, have you read this?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~westrab/gplol1.htm

and this

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5318.0

I have watched the replay of the incident with Clive and I'd have to say you had the corner and the onus was on Clive to stay wide. On my replay at least the cars get very close before the warp contact but it just looks like the normal GPL prediction error and could easily have happened in 67's I'd say.
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2009, 11:08:39 AM +0000 »

Crazy warp contacts that send cars off wildly happen even on LAN with very low ( < 50 ms) latency, it's just the way GPL's dealing with it. Considering how old the sim is and that for years on it still had the best (and still has one of the best) net codes it just takes a bit of cautious driving to avoid any major problems when racing close. Of course mistakes do happen now and then.
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2009, 12:40:41 PM +0000 »

I had given up the corner and I thought I was staying wide.  But I wanted to be close for a tow on the back straight.

In this series of pics shows what I am looking at, which could well be different to everyone else.

The first shot is as we approach the corner and from that point onwards Nicky starts to weave a bit under braking.

The second shot is as Nicky first starts to move out and the thirst is where the contact is made good and proper.

Throughout the sequence I am moving to the left of the racing line and stay on the outside of the track.  When contact is made we are probably just left of centre.

I put it down as lost it under braking because of the weaving under braking and the fact that the final swipe sideways took place over several frames rather than the usual warp flick from one position to another.  But it could be a bit of warp. 

I still think that Nicky was being a bit less than generous, (on my replay) with regard to the room he was giving me, especially when you compare his position with that of Hristo overtaking Natan at the same point.

Think I prefer being overtaken by H.  Which is fortunate because it happens so often.  Grin





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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2009, 03:39:01 PM +0000 »

Hello,

Really enjoyed the 65 season, a big thank you to everyone who took part, especially the mods and the race organisers.

This was my first season racing online, and I’m very glad I did it. It was a huge learning experience for me, and I’ve got to admit that at time I never thought I would be able to race against other people, as I was so slow. I’m glad that I made all the races, even if some of them didn’t last long for me. Next season I hope to enter the Novice 65 championship again and hopefully an other series, maybe the 66’s or 69, depending on how they are run?

The story of my Monza race is a bit of a disappointment for me, I had a chance of getting quite a bit of practice in for the race, and I thought I was doing well, so was looking forward to the race. I started qualifying in the Novice race, and was OK, I finished 2nd on the grid, not with a personal best but close enough and would not of been able to beat the pole, really big well done to Podkrecony_Ziutek, you where the class of the field.

I started the race slowly, I was very cautious off the line, and let Mike go without a fight, I’ve lost too many places at the start due to being silly. I was slow on the first lap and Norbert and Asbjeurn both got past me, but I wasn’t too worried. End of the second lap and I was fighting off a quickly gaining Clutch, and made a huge mistake under braking for the final corner, I was too busy watching my mirrors and not my braking point, ended up braking far too late and getting stuck in the hedge. I had to wait for the whole field to go past until I could Shift & R, after that I was just trying to control myself and stop any other mistakes. I took my stop and go and carried on to try to save something from my drive. I was doing OK, then I disco’d Sad

Just in time to start the Amateurs race, I joined with 3 minutes to go, only time for 1 flying lap, I put in a 1:38 dead, which I was surprised to see put be 9th on the grid. At the start of the race I made sure I kept of off everyone way, and pretty much jest let anyone who challenged me past, which of course put me last, but in a way that helped as I came across the mass pile up at the first corner and tried to slowly thread myself through it, but couldn’t, I hit a spinning car which destroyed my engine, which ment I needed a Shift & R.
After that I pretty much settled down for a steady run and tried to make the least amount of mistakes as possible. I caught Steve Bucket after a few laps but didn’t want to risk anything and as such stayed behind him looking to see if there was anywhere I could get past. We both caught a cooper recovering on the start finish straight, Steve got past but I didn’t and the rest of my race was spent following the cooper. I didn’t really want to risk being silly so didn’t try too hard to get past, he was really quick getting out of Lesmo 2, I did get a run each lap going into Curve Grande but I didn’t want to try a risky move.

In the end I was very happy with my clean race, I felt I was quick here, and I was very happy to get the 5th fastest race lap time for the Amateurs race.

Well done to all the racers, and especially this season race winners and champions.

As another note I’m delighted to be able to say that I have joined the Clark Hill Racing team for next season. A special well done to the drivers of Clark Hill who finished 1st and 2nd at the Novice 65 race at Monza, you’ve certainly set the bar high.
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