UKGPL Season 17 (2009) - 60fps Test Race - 65 Mod - Monza - Feb 25

[Will Tway]

simply ask Will Tway how to
or run for upgrading `re PCs , nothing more then a 3 times `get lost in a pub `.

 

I must've been lost in a pub.....don't quite understand....but that's normal. 

Viva Team Antipasti!!!

[Ken Murray]

Only problem I noticed was when looking at the tree tops....the frames look choppy or seem to slide instead of blending together.

That sounds like no vsynch. Do you know whether you have it on or off?

[FullMetalGasket]

Are you drunk Nicky? 
I can't follow that either 

[Will Tway]

That sounds like no vsynch. Do you know whether you have it on or off?

Thanks for your help Ken. The answer is "no". I looked through my core.ini file and noticed Vsynch is "0" for RastV2 but I'm still using the original Rasters.

Your help is greatly appreciated as is your Brab setup for Brands. 

Cheers,

Will

Update:

65 Mod runs smooth as silk at Monza with d3dRastersV2 and Vsynch turned off. I don't see an option to turn vsynch off or the old d3d rasters. Thanks again for you help.

[Geoff65]

Only problem I noticed was when looking at the tree tops....

A new sport discovered by Will.....150mph Koala spotting!!.........

[Ken Murray]

That sounds like no vsynch. Do you know whether you have it on or off?

Thanks for your help Ken. The answer is "no". I looked through my core.ini file and noticed Vsynch is "0" for RastV2 but I'm still using the original Rasters.

Your help is greatly appreciated as is your Brab setup for Brands. 

Cheers,

Will

Update:

65 Mod runs smooth as silk at Monza with d3dRastersV2 and Vsynch turned off. I don't see an option to turn vsynch off or the old d3d rasters. Thanks again for you help.

I've found the only sure way to turn it on and off is in the graphics card settings.

[NickyIckx]

 

Are you drunk Nicky?

nope  not all of the time 

may this version is more understandable :

bloody brilliant .. 65mod with its 2 new updates...it really is.

The Times Thes Are a Changin

to all those do think their PC  is to old too handle the new stuff well

simply ask Will Tway how to manage as he said

As for the 60fps, my old computer handled it pretty well. Frames were never at 60 but never below 50.

or run for upgrading `re PCs hardware, should not more expensive then spent money on to  `get lost in a pub `3 times.

 ???does it make sence now   

[Ken Murray]

simply ask Will Tway how to manage as he said

As for the 60fps, my old computer handled it pretty well. Frames were never at 60 but never below 50.

It would be interesting to know the spec of Will's "old" computer?!

[Hristo Itchov]

So ... my pc is sempron 2800+ with 9800xt agp card, i can run 60 fps no problem offline without other cars. Online and with other cards fps drop no matter what. Let's be reasonable and not ask ppl to upgrade just for  wishful mandatory 60fps league races. I don't mind if it's 40, 50 or whatever fps, but when it goes up and down during a lap, that's the real problem like already mentioned.

[Will Tway]

Hi Ken,

Here are the specs to my computer. It's a home build and is at least 3-4 years old.




Also I have an ATI grafix card and I could not find any way to turn Vsync off. I even downloaded a tweak program for ATI and still couldn't find a way to turn it off.

For what it's worth, here's my video card options....









From what I've read on RSC it seems most folks don;t use ATI cards. I'd love to upgrad but it's just not in the cards at the moment. Any suggestions on tweaking my old video card would be much apprecitated as would your Brab set up for Brands. 

Thanks.

Will


Thanks for your explination Nicky....I get it now. Off to the pub.....

[FullMetalGasket]

Looking at the sub-text I think your V-sync may be controlled by the 'Wait for vertical refresh' option 
Just move it towards the quality side of the scale until it says forced on rather than (I'm guessing here) 'on, if application supports' or similar

FWIW I don't consider that an overly slow system, dual GFX cards may help too if the ATI system works better than Nvidea's did when I tried that 

I'll be convinced it's a potential for league use if I can get my really old system to run it, That's something like an Athlon 2700+, Geforce 4600, 2 gig (maybe) ram.
It runs all the old mods without ever dropping frame rates - really doubt it could handle 60FPS patch though 

[Turkey Machine]

Yeah, V-Sync is the same as "wait for vertical refresh".

[NickyIckx]

 
Hi Will , ( and all )

<afaik for ATI videocards ,Vsync could be turn on/off inside Catalyst Control Centre (CCC ) under :
  Display Option : 3D Refresh Rate Override. Inside that popup you can set your desired frequency .
  Guess 60Hz would be the equivalent to Vysnc on if using 60fps stuff in GPL .
  And set to disabled would like Vsync off then .  I am not sure  ….

< as to your 3D settings :
 
  can imagine you already tried before  , but  setting the sliders to very left performance inside :
  Texture Preference
  Mip Map Detail Level
  Wait for vertical refresh

could help  increasing performance.

Play around with that settings a bit . I know its an time bandit to do . But maybe it pays off to try.

< as to the question whats more good NVIDIA or ATI:

   forget it.  I have run both during time and in my opinion there are none difference when it comes to play GPL .
   Its wasted time to think on it.
   But one thing for sure : in general NVIDA cards are more expensive . no matter if old or used.

< to get an idear of how to upgrade Videocard with most less money :

 have a look here :  http://www.3dchip.de/Grafikchipliste/Leistung_Graka.htm#top   ( copy and paste , if link dont work)

as a benchmark ; I run a ATI X1800XT videocard ( see post 83 inside this thread ).

Downside for you is hanging still on AGP slot , cause those videocards are mostly more expensive compared to same level once are PCIe slot versions.

But who know . There is always possibility to have a lucky shot at ebay for example ..

< as to the question whats the bottleneck CPU or Videocard :

   that’s always hard to decide. No doubt.

But in general you can say  ;  stoneage videocard aren’t able to give modern CPUs enough work to do
                                    And ; stoneage CPU wont be able to handle all the datas sent by modern Videocards in time .

< to all ,if there is interest in : I could search german ebay for `lucky shot videocard`or nice price   however it called ..
( I noticed UKebay is a bit less busy and more expensive. well downside would be the extra shipping cost)
   I usually do it anyway . part of my `wake up morning procedure while drinkin cup of coffee.

Regards
NickyIckx

[Will Tway]

Hi Will , ( and all )


< as to your 3D settings :
 
  can imagine you already tried before  , but  setting the sliders to very left performance inside :
  Texture Preference
  Mip Map Detail Level
  Wait for vertical refresh

could help  increasing performance.

Play around with that settings a bit . I know its an time bandit to do . But maybe it pays off to try.

Just when I was about the throw in the towel, I did just a Nicky suggested and moved the texture, mip and wait for refresh options all to the far left and I'll be damned...not only are the frame rates as smooth as RastersV2, I'm now getting a solid 60 fps in the pits and on the track. I believe I only saw 59fps twice. 

When I just turned off the "wait for refresh" it had no effect but with all three off...BAM.

The old dinosaur still has a little life left after all. 

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR EVERYONES HELP AND SUGGESTIONS.

You guys rock.

Viva team Antipasti.

Will

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[NickyIckx]

Yeah, V-Sync is the same as "wait for vertical refresh".

  did search via google recently ..still dont get it really .. but
could it be an good idear to set 3Drefresh rate to 60Hz  and then play around with those `wait for vertical refresh slider ? till tearing is more less and fps is more constant ?


.... must be some sort of relation between all this setings ...
 

EDIT :  just wrote this while you placed your reply Will ....
          cool , nice to hear it works smooth now !!!!!