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March 03, 2009, 09:37:29 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Amateurs Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +3.789
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1 58:56.836
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16 3:37.766
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +1.027
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2 +0.440
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16 3:38.600
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Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 12 +4.274
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3 +9.743
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16 3:39.331
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Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +2.696
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4 +15.162
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16 3:39.395
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Dunlop  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +3.769
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5 +27.284
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16 3:40.177
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Dunlop  
Storm_Cloud
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +2.879
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6 +29.969
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16 3:38.824
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Dunlop  
Dave Randall
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 +7.235
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7 +55.357
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16 3:40.602
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Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 18 +8.134
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8 +1:00.574
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16 3:41.214
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Dunlop  
Jack O'Ferrall
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 16 +7.491
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9 (+1) +1:10.664
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16 3:41.224
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Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 +6.520
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10 +2L
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14 3:42.043
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Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 +7.633
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11 +6L
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10 3:41.091
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Dunlop  
Samb
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +4.464
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12 +7L
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9 3:39.479
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Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.404
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13 +28.735
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9 3:38.979
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Goodyear  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 4 +2.046
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14 +10L
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6 3:40.638
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Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +2.562
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15 +1.392
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6 3:39.204
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Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +2.156
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16 (+1) +15L
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1 3:46.063
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 7 +2.655
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17 +1:32.186
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1 5:17.769
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Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 3:35.422
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18 +16L
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0 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h01m16s

Jethro and Nicky Ickx collide going into Les Coombes. Jethro was slow and wide while Nicky was quicker on a tighter line and had his car under control which makes Nicky's attempted overtake a legitimate one.

While Nicky was on the inside Jethro continued to turn in and put himself at risk of warp as well as collision.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h06m30s

Clive Loynes overtakes Nicky Ickx approaching Stavelot. Nicky has drifted over to the centre line when Clive moves out to pass him and disappears from Nicky's mirrors so he is moving alongside yet Nicky continues to drift over and squeeze Clive. Clive appears to react to Nicky's movements when he touches the grass and turns slightly into Nicky, but had he been left more room he could well have made a clean pass.

Simple Side By Side Contact penalty 1 place.


Server replay time: 0h36m25s

Clive Loynes was doing battle with Steve Bucket who had slowed due to a disappearing Dave Randall. Once through Masta Clive moved over to the left to pick up a tow from Steve Bucket but unfortunately Phil Thornton had closed up extremely quickly and occupied that space. Phil was in his own battle but had backed off and was under control.

This incident is a good (or bad) example of the new V2 mod at work. Clive did move over into Phil but I am not applying a penalty as I put it down to the new V2 mod rather than bad driving on Clive's part.

We all need time to adapt to the new mod and should be aware of traffic around us when moving over to pick up a tow, especially with a limited number of chasing cars viewable.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h38m44s

Steve Bucket is following Dave Randall into Les Combes when he gets caught out by Dave's early braking and locks up his wheels.
As there appears to be no contact between the cars I would put the incident down to warp but Steve Bucket is out of control and skidding prior to Dave's Spin.


Server replay time: 0h38m48s

Steve B_1_rd is following the battle between Steve Bucket and Dave Randall. From Steve B_1_rd's cockpit it is clear that he sees Steve Bucket spin and slows accordingly while steering towards the inside to avoid him. Steve Bucket appears to be sliding towards the apex so Steve B_1_rd turns to go round the outside but Steve Bucket stops in the centre of the track giving Steve B_1_rd nowhere to go.


Server replay time: 0h53m49s

Steve Bucket is following Phil Thornton into Les Coombes and appears to run straight into the back of him.

I have watched this incident more than any other (for obvious reasons) and I concede that Phil brakes slightly earlier this lap but I consider it within the average for the division.

As we have only just adopted the V2 mod I think we may well see much more close quarter racing especially along straights and into braking zones, and in order to be more consistent with potential rulings throughout the season I am applying a Simple Rear End Shunt as oppose to a Blatant Rear End Shunt.

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« on: February 25, 2009, 09:21:31 AM +0000 »

UKGPL Season 17 - Amateurs Trophy - Race 1 - 65 mod - Spa-Francorchamps

Welcome to our existing drivers, our new drivers and to those brave souls stepping up from the Novices Division.  Last years champion Tim will be defending his hard earned crown against all comers and looks to be facing some stiff competition from an eager full field.  Sadly it appears that the downtrodden Cooper team will not be mounting a challenge this season after winning hearts and minds with such a good showing in season 16. How the mighty fall.

If you do see a Cooper on your travels wish it well and think of the fun you could be having trying to extract a competitive lap from the once mighty underdog.
This time around we have upped the ante and the Amateurs will race at Pro level with no resets allowed.
Chassis allocations are below- the same chassis will be used for all races this season, unless there is an adjustment agreed by the moderator.  Good luck!

Use caution at the start, as the field can bunch more than expected before L'Eau Rouge and the middle and back of the grid need to take extra care not to run into cars ahead of them.

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race.

The 65 mod update has surprised us as it was a low-key announcement, and it isn't available on the 'Legends of 65' home site, where the 65 mod is hosted.  However, the effort put into it certainly merits a season's testing, without which feedback and any further development would be made difficult.

The updated layout features are very welcome, with the ability to record best lap times at addon tracks and to have 65 specific tracks. The new collision boxes are also a great improvement.  Though the new slipstream code will need extensive testing, the preliminary race seemed to show that it would be a definite improvement in racing terms, without the controversy over its extent, as with the 66 mod.

It seems a pity that the opportunity wasn't taken for more extensive changes to the 65 mod, especially as this means that we'll be racing cars that have compensation for the absence of slipstream built into the top speed, yet with slipstream present.  Though it might be a consideration that an update with corrected and slower speeds would then not be useful for rank, as the cars would be slower, rank should always take second place to realism, and the ranks could continue with the original mod.  However, an extensive reworking of the 65 mod might have taken resources that aren't available to the community.  While I'm disappointed because I'm not keen on the concept of patches that make the carsets faster without regard to realism, at least it's still possible that we could still have a 65 mod v3 based on the 66 physics and made incompatible by the addition of extra cars to prevent the unrealistic faster 2.02 mod being used by overcompetitive racers.

Thanks to all involved with producing the update.  If the new slipsteam code works as well as it seems it might, perhaps it could help persuade the authors of the 66 mod to rework their code as well!

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
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Race date = 03-03-2009
Time = 21:00
Track = Spa-Francorchamps
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = 50% Grand Prix (16 laps) NOTE: - the updated 65 mod uses 16 laps for half distance


Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

CHASSIS ALLOCATION

FERRARI NickyIckx, Phil Thornton, Will Tway (reserve), Burtoner*, Asbjeurn*
LOTUS  StormCloud, Dave Randall, Bartosz, Bernie*, Steve Bird*, Geoff65*
BRM  NatanVix, Samb, Ginsters, Steve Bucket*, Ian*
BT11  CliveLoynes, John Roberts, Ken, Jethro, Fulvio
HONDA  EvilClive, Tim, Iestyn (reserve)
COOPER Lorenzo, if he joins, otherwise any visiting speed merchant
BT7 Hristo

*drivers also assigned a Novices chassis

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Jim Clark won the 1965 Belgian Grand Prix in a Lotus.  Graham Hill took pole in his BRM P261 with a time of 3'45.4 .  The 1965 distance was 32 laps.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ has the download of the 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.  The 2.02 update is available here: http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2009, 05:25:19 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2009, 05:26:39 PM +0000 »

She has instructed me to create a hole in the air. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2009, 06:00:08 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2009, 06:40:39 PM +0000 »

I recon CLive and I can run 2 abreast for much of the lap and then crash out of your way at the hairpin  thumbup1  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2009, 10:45:23 PM +0000 »

She has instructed me to create a hole in the air. Wink

In a Honda I should think that a hole in the ozone layer is most likely.

Due to the industrial grade barbecue that usually appears among the exhaust pipes.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2009, 10:56:37 PM +0000 »

She has instructed me to create a hole in the air. Wink

In a Honda I should think that a hole in the ozone layer is most likely.

Due to the industrial grade barbecue that usually appears among the exhaust pipes.

How else does he keep the sushi warm  Grin

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 10:43:45 PM +0000 »

Looking forwad to this, just hope I have some time to practice now Smiley

Do I need to install anything new for this season, I mean on top of last one? All this talk of patches and test races has left me confused, don't worry its my normal and happiest state.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2009, 11:01:01 PM +0000 »

We're going to test the new 2.02 65 mod version this season.  The discussion is here: http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5890.0, reply #8 for the download as a .zip.  If you've got the patch already, that's it, there's nothing else.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2009, 11:10:20 PM +0000 »

Ta, I can't keep up with all these new goodies but I'm now ready to rumble.

Just done a outlap of Spa and GPL froze as I accidently passed through pit area at end of it, is that normal?
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 11:15:15 PM +0000 »

Nope, either you need to revert to earlier drivers, or to use OpenGL, or to use the new rastas which are on RSC- but RSC has disappeared.  We might be able to host them ourselves, if you need them.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 11:20:06 PM +0000 »

Nope, either you need to revert to earlier drivers, or to use OpenGL, or to use the new rastas which are on RSC- but RSC has disappeared.  We might be able to host them ourselves, if you need them.

....... or stop using Pribluda if that fails.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 11:32:35 PM +0000 »

Have you been trialling the 60FPS patch?
Mine did that the first AI race I tried after changing back to 36FPS mode  Smiley
Just reload and go again and all should work again - did for me  euro
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2009, 09:55:59 AM +0000 »

Just done a outlap of Spa and GPL froze as I accidently passed through pit area at end of it, is that normal?
The 60fps patch 'shouldn't' do this - if FMG's suggestion works let me know and I will mention the problem to the developers...

Otherwise you might have my old rasterizer problem re pit freezes. To build on Jack's advice there are 4 choices;
1) Use new rasterizers and lose Pribluda
2) Use old graphics drivers - this won't work on newer graphics cards (eg mine)
3) Use OpenGL (this is the option I took)
4) Use OpenGL + the new rasterizer which works with Prib (tried it and kept getting freezes so went back to 3)
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2009, 11:54:20 AM +0000 »

There is a patch for Prib so you can use it with the new rasterizers.

http://gplmz.bcsims.com/index.php?showtopic=3731&st=0

It's only for OpenGL at the moment
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