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March 03, 2009, 09:37:29 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Amateurs Trophy
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +3.789
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1 58:56.836
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16 3:37.766
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +1.027
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2 +0.440
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16 3:38.600
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Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 12 +4.274
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3 +9.743
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16 3:39.331
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Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +2.696
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4 +15.162
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16 3:39.395
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Dunlop  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +3.769
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5 +27.284
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16 3:40.177
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Dunlop  
Storm_Cloud
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +2.879
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6 +29.969
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16 3:38.824
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Dunlop  
Dave Randall
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 +7.235
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7 +55.357
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16 3:40.602
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Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 18 +8.134
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8 +1:00.574
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16 3:41.214
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Dunlop  
Jack O'Ferrall
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 16 +7.491
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9 (+1) +1:10.664
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16 3:41.224
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Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 +6.520
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10 +2L
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14 3:42.043
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Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 +7.633
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11 +6L
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10 3:41.091
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Dunlop  
Samb
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +4.464
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12 +7L
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9 3:39.479
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Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.404
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13 +28.735
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9 3:38.979
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Goodyear  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 4 +2.046
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14 +10L
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6 3:40.638
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Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +2.562
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15 +1.392
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6 3:39.204
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Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +2.156
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16 (+1) +15L
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1 3:46.063
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 7 +2.655
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17 +1:32.186
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1 5:17.769
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Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 3:35.422
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18 +16L
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Goodyear  

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Server replay time: 0h01m16s

Jethro and Nicky Ickx collide going into Les Coombes. Jethro was slow and wide while Nicky was quicker on a tighter line and had his car under control which makes Nicky's attempted overtake a legitimate one.

While Nicky was on the inside Jethro continued to turn in and put himself at risk of warp as well as collision.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h06m30s

Clive Loynes overtakes Nicky Ickx approaching Stavelot. Nicky has drifted over to the centre line when Clive moves out to pass him and disappears from Nicky's mirrors so he is moving alongside yet Nicky continues to drift over and squeeze Clive. Clive appears to react to Nicky's movements when he touches the grass and turns slightly into Nicky, but had he been left more room he could well have made a clean pass.

Simple Side By Side Contact penalty 1 place.


Server replay time: 0h36m25s

Clive Loynes was doing battle with Steve Bucket who had slowed due to a disappearing Dave Randall. Once through Masta Clive moved over to the left to pick up a tow from Steve Bucket but unfortunately Phil Thornton had closed up extremely quickly and occupied that space. Phil was in his own battle but had backed off and was under control.

This incident is a good (or bad) example of the new V2 mod at work. Clive did move over into Phil but I am not applying a penalty as I put it down to the new V2 mod rather than bad driving on Clive's part.

We all need time to adapt to the new mod and should be aware of traffic around us when moving over to pick up a tow, especially with a limited number of chasing cars viewable.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h38m44s

Steve Bucket is following Dave Randall into Les Combes when he gets caught out by Dave's early braking and locks up his wheels.
As there appears to be no contact between the cars I would put the incident down to warp but Steve Bucket is out of control and skidding prior to Dave's Spin.


Server replay time: 0h38m48s

Steve B_1_rd is following the battle between Steve Bucket and Dave Randall. From Steve B_1_rd's cockpit it is clear that he sees Steve Bucket spin and slows accordingly while steering towards the inside to avoid him. Steve Bucket appears to be sliding towards the apex so Steve B_1_rd turns to go round the outside but Steve Bucket stops in the centre of the track giving Steve B_1_rd nowhere to go.


Server replay time: 0h53m49s

Steve Bucket is following Phil Thornton into Les Coombes and appears to run straight into the back of him.

I have watched this incident more than any other (for obvious reasons) and I concede that Phil brakes slightly earlier this lap but I consider it within the average for the division.

As we have only just adopted the V2 mod I think we may well see much more close quarter racing especially along straights and into braking zones, and in order to be more consistent with potential rulings throughout the season I am applying a Simple Rear End Shunt as oppose to a Blatant Rear End Shunt.

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2009, 12:40:58 PM +0000 »


Just done a outlap of Spa and GPL froze as I accidently passed through pit area at end of it, is that normal?

Actually on re-reading that it sounds more like you have very recent Nvidea drivers - my Games rig has the same fault. The only way around it that I found short of changing rasteriser was to purposely drive into the pitline at the end of my first lap.
The screen freeze is caused the first time the pitboard man appears in your stall - when the screen freezes just stop and then press escape and enter to leave the car.
You can then go back out and from that point on you shouldn't have anymore freezes, even if you do clip the pitlane and trigger the stall dude  thumbup1

Or just change to openGL or the new D3D rasta if you want to avoid that kerfuffel  Grin
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2009, 05:44:46 PM +0000 »

The 60fps patch 'shouldn't' do this - if FMG's suggestion works let me know and I will mention the problem to the developers...

I haven't installed that patch so no link there.

OpenGL just causes a blank screen for me, so thats out. Anyone got a link to those rastas?

Are you part Cornish FMJ? That kind of "making do" or "getting by" is one of our greatest Methodist traditons, that method appeals to me Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2009, 05:56:23 PM +0000 »

The 60fps patch 'shouldn't' do this - if FMG's suggestion works let me know and I will mention the problem to the developers...

I haven't installed that patch so no link there.

OpenGL just causes a blank screen for me, so thats out. Anyone got a link to those rastas?

Are you part Cornish FMJ? That kind of "making do" or "getting by" is one of our greatest Methodist traditons, that method appeals to me Smiley


RSC is still down SG, so I have uploaded the rasterizers to the link below.....

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AZJ0UALF

Cheers
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ps: I have some Cornish ancestors in my mongrel bloodlines...........lol
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2009, 06:28:50 PM +0000 »

Anyone got a link to those rastas?

Here

Sorry. I'll get my coat.

P.S. Geoff posted them already. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2009, 06:38:46 PM +0000 »

The 60fps patch 'shouldn't' do this - if FMG's suggestion works let me know and I will mention the problem to the developers...

I haven't installed that patch so no link there.

OpenGL just causes a blank screen for me, so thats out. Anyone got a link to those rastas?

Are you part Cornish FMJ? That kind of "making do" or "getting by" is one of our greatest Methodist traditons, that method appeals to me Smiley

Close, My Dad's family hail from Plymouth (plympton to be precise) so I'm nearly there  yes
I'm a massive fan of bodges personally, One of my old PC's used to have the chip set fan attached using Bluetack as I'd aquired a fan too large to screw down  Grin Best part was the fact it was near silent and kept things about 10 degrees colder than the old one  angel
My HiFi speakers are too big and heavy for conventional mounts so they're on top of some tall wooden cd stands, which in turn are on top of desks as I couldn't be arsed putting up shelfs which are big enough to take them, again I have less vibration/resonance than wall mounts would offer doing it this way....
It's probably best I don't go into the work arounds I've made on my cars over the years.... The Nissan currently has the Fuel flap held closed by a Pen through the hole as the cable operated release has broken again, and zip ties have featured heavily in mid journey running repairs in the Westfield (just to give you light tasters)  Wink
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2009, 04:28:12 PM +0000 »

UKGPL.6 - IP address for tonight 80.5.200.198
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2009, 07:24:53 PM +0000 »

The problem with screen freeze or crash when crossing the pit lane at Spa is not new.
Clive Loynes ( I think) suffered with this problem and eventually solved it ..I am sure there must be an old topic on the forum about it somewhere...maybe it was on the old Yahoo forum.

From memory, it will only happen on the first lap past the pits. So as long as you steer clear of the edge of the pitlane on lap 1 you should be ok for the rest of the race.

If Clive shows up tonight , it might be worth asking him exactly what he did.

I have never had a freeze or disco, but I have seen a flicker of the graphics as I pass the very end of the pitlane occasionally.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2009, 07:28:26 PM +0000 »

That's pretty much want I said above Clive  Tongue
Hence the comment about driving into the pits on the first lap (I should have stated first in qualifying really  Embarrassed ) and it would be fine from there on  angel
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2009, 07:48:53 PM +0000 »

 Huh Huh Shocked Shocked Shocked

16 Laps HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??ß


thats nearly 1 hour of racing ................

cant the race lenght set to whatever anymore due to the new patch ?

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2009, 08:21:43 PM +0000 »

Huh Huh Shocked Shocked Shocked
16 Laps HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??ß
thats nearly 1 hour of racing ................
Cant the race lenght set to whatever anymore due to the new patch ?
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You can set the race length - normally 10 laps but 50% race distance is 16. Novices have 10 laps, bit easier for us  Wink
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2009, 09:43:06 PM +0000 »

After managing to find a second in qualy and set a new PB without the aid of a draft, I took the start, made it into 2nd, 3rd after I lifted off for the kink after Eau Rouge, then got taken out by a very ambitious Nicky Ickx and it knocked me onto 3 wheels - thankfully the field missed me so I didn't inadvertantly wreck anyone elses race. Not very happy as I would have had a real good shot at a great result if I'd finished. I was not expecting him to attempt such an ambitious overtaking "pass" on the first lap, first 30 seconds of the lap, especially after everybody (and it practically was everybody) had said "take it easy" - clearly that means everyone except Nicky. P***ed off at the moment, so gonna go have a stiff drink to calm my qualy-heightened nerves. I was taking it easy at the start, as I knew it'd be a frantic 1st lap or 2.
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2009, 10:02:15 PM +0000 »

Despite some close quarters syncronised driving, the Waza mobile's didn't seem to have the qualifying pace.
Clive pipped my by something like .1 of a second I think giving us 6th and 7th.

Looked good for battling the pack during the race otherwise....

Then while everyone was backing off for Les Combes Clive managed to put a rear wheel on the grass under braking and span into me - I think this must have damaged my engine as about 30 seconds later entering the Masta straight it started smoking and I lost power* Sad
This was despite my not having over revved her and actually being at about 10k RPM so I'm guessing it was some sort of damage rather than stress  :'(
Limped round the remainder of lap 1 to ensure I wasn't last (  Wink ) and then retired.
Hope next race will go better  hammer

At least on the plus side John didn't have to worry about me too much  Wink


* I've just done 2 whole laps of Spa (realistic damage) foot to the floor at 13,500rpm (limiter Grin) without blowing up, so I guess this means clive is indeed the culprit  hammer
Anyway, nothing you could do to avoid it so no hard feelings mate - SHE won't be pleased though  scared
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2009, 10:28:13 PM +0000 »

A fun race while it lasted. I qualified a lowly 13th but by managing to avoid the first lap calamities, I found myself into 5th by the end of the first lap. Trying to catch the others infront, I hit the hay bales on lap 3 just before Malmedy but no harm done except a loss of speed. Then me and Fulvio had a battle for 5th which raged for a couple laps. We were then side by side on the way into the Masta Kink and I foolishly went for the outside line rather than drop back behind Fulvio. I hit the chicken wire, lost a couple places but the tank-like BRM was still going strong despite the thrashing I was giving it.

I then saw a leading 4 battle for the lead up in the distance but alas, I couldn't catch them. Later on it appeared that Clive and Natan had a tangle with their cars so I found myself in 3rd, enjoying a battle with Bartosz. On lap 10, still running in 3rd but unable the catch the leading pair of John and Fulvio, my left front wheel clipped the grass through Eau Rouge and I lost the back end, slammed into the barrier, rear wheel missing, and rejoined onto the racing line with Geoff, Bartosz and Storm having to take evasive action. Geoff and Storm emerged unscathed but Bartosz wasn't so lucky and spun into the scenery. Sorry if I ruined your race.

So, an eventful first outing. I guess my consistency needs to improve for finishes. Was fun battling with you all. Look forward to the next one  Grin.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2009, 10:47:29 PM +0000 »

Close, My Dad's family hail from Plymouth (plympton to be precise) so I'm nearly there  yes

Plymouth! U dirty northern barsteward Wink

That was a real opener that.

Pleased with pb in quali and amazed at pace up front Shocked My new found confidence didn't last long as the new slip stream stuff caught me out everywhere. Just terrified by how quickly some gained on me and apologise if I did anything unexpected as it all happened to fast for me. I know I turned in on Evil when I thought he would be way back, sorry :'( Also surprised by some lines through pit lane and pits, isn't that naughty? Didn't look quicker anyways  Kiss

Spent rest of race just rebuilding my ego and pretty happy to return to somewhere near a good pace and respectable finish. I hope to feel less frightened in next race  wheelchair Congrats to all finishers.
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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2009, 11:50:56 PM +0000 »

Is there any way to tell if the new patch has been applied correctly? It certainly didn't feel like anything different to me and others, especially on the first lap breezed past with ease.

Anyway. Got in from playing in the snow and settled down at 8.55pm to have a quick trawl round my regular internet stops. Fortunately, simracing is on the list as I completely forgot about this and jumped on the server without having turned a lap since, well, can't remember.

Didn't do anything exciting in the race really but briefly ascended to 3rd in the last two laps. Geoff was fighting back and we were two abreast and both nicely on our own halves of the track when he warped right across me and I was in the hay bales. A bit annoying after such a long race but a quick trip through the replay showed it was just a no-fault lag crash, so there we go.

I would have settled for finishing ahead of Tim before the race, so that'll do (... clutching at straws a little here)
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