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March 03, 2009, 09:37:29 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Amateurs Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +3.789
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1 58:56.836
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16 3:37.766
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +1.027
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2 +0.440
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16 3:38.600
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Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 12 +4.274
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3 +9.743
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16 3:39.331
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Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +2.696
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4 +15.162
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16 3:39.395
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Dunlop  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +3.769
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5 +27.284
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16 3:40.177
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Dunlop  
Storm_Cloud
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +2.879
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6 +29.969
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16 3:38.824
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Dunlop  
Dave Randall
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 +7.235
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7 +55.357
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16 3:40.602
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Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 18 +8.134
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8 +1:00.574
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16 3:41.214
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Dunlop  
Jack O'Ferrall
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 16 +7.491
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9 (+1) +1:10.664
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16 3:41.224
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Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 +6.520
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10 +2L
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14 3:42.043
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Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 +7.633
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11 +6L
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10 3:41.091
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Dunlop  
Samb
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +4.464
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12 +7L
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9 3:39.479
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Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.404
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13 +28.735
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9 3:38.979
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Goodyear  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 4 +2.046
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14 +10L
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6 3:40.638
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Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +2.562
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15 +1.392
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6 3:39.204
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Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +2.156
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16 (+1) +15L
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1 3:46.063
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 7 +2.655
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17 +1:32.186
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1 5:17.769
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Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 3:35.422
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18 +16L
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0 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h01m16s

Jethro and Nicky Ickx collide going into Les Coombes. Jethro was slow and wide while Nicky was quicker on a tighter line and had his car under control which makes Nicky's attempted overtake a legitimate one.

While Nicky was on the inside Jethro continued to turn in and put himself at risk of warp as well as collision.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h06m30s

Clive Loynes overtakes Nicky Ickx approaching Stavelot. Nicky has drifted over to the centre line when Clive moves out to pass him and disappears from Nicky's mirrors so he is moving alongside yet Nicky continues to drift over and squeeze Clive. Clive appears to react to Nicky's movements when he touches the grass and turns slightly into Nicky, but had he been left more room he could well have made a clean pass.

Simple Side By Side Contact penalty 1 place.


Server replay time: 0h36m25s

Clive Loynes was doing battle with Steve Bucket who had slowed due to a disappearing Dave Randall. Once through Masta Clive moved over to the left to pick up a tow from Steve Bucket but unfortunately Phil Thornton had closed up extremely quickly and occupied that space. Phil was in his own battle but had backed off and was under control.

This incident is a good (or bad) example of the new V2 mod at work. Clive did move over into Phil but I am not applying a penalty as I put it down to the new V2 mod rather than bad driving on Clive's part.

We all need time to adapt to the new mod and should be aware of traffic around us when moving over to pick up a tow, especially with a limited number of chasing cars viewable.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h38m44s

Steve Bucket is following Dave Randall into Les Combes when he gets caught out by Dave's early braking and locks up his wheels.
As there appears to be no contact between the cars I would put the incident down to warp but Steve Bucket is out of control and skidding prior to Dave's Spin.


Server replay time: 0h38m48s

Steve B_1_rd is following the battle between Steve Bucket and Dave Randall. From Steve B_1_rd's cockpit it is clear that he sees Steve Bucket spin and slows accordingly while steering towards the inside to avoid him. Steve Bucket appears to be sliding towards the apex so Steve B_1_rd turns to go round the outside but Steve Bucket stops in the centre of the track giving Steve B_1_rd nowhere to go.


Server replay time: 0h53m49s

Steve Bucket is following Phil Thornton into Les Coombes and appears to run straight into the back of him.

I have watched this incident more than any other (for obvious reasons) and I concede that Phil brakes slightly earlier this lap but I consider it within the average for the division.

As we have only just adopted the V2 mod I think we may well see much more close quarter racing especially along straights and into braking zones, and in order to be more consistent with potential rulings throughout the season I am applying a Simple Rear End Shunt as oppose to a Blatant Rear End Shunt.

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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2009, 07:31:00 PM +0000 »

 Cheesy Cheesy
Sorry folks  , but please keep in mind my english isnt that good .
So maybe I expressed myself  missunderstandable .
Saying my fault should mean that I blame myself for not taking notice of the change over to 50%GP race distance  and pro levele with no shift-R.

And it wasn’t my intention to say something again that or complain on .
All I wanted to say is that for me personally a long distance race is too much for me after a long working day to extract fun out of it.
I never meant there is something bad on pro level or long distance races in general. Its just my personal opinion that I dislike it.based on above reasons.
And off course I respect other opinions on that  , no question .

And yes , my reason for joining this nice UKGPL 65mod league last year was built on the fact that race distance was short and shift –R with following pitstop was part of the rules .

Thx Turkey Machine for that Vader Trophy idea , ( Max West still racing in there ? he was my team manager back those GP3 league days ) ,
But  would prefer to race 65 mod and first off all to stay here in this league. Cause as I said , I really enjoyed the way its managed and people talk to each others .
I like the English humor and its fun to me to try to build up my  English a bit .. and as I said yesterday in chat I am sorry for that you been droped out  .
( My only intentions yesterday where not to been  rear ended  like it happened to me that often during the practise race days before . So may to that fear I went in to that turn too fast   , makes it look ambitious . sorry  ).

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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2009, 07:38:04 PM +0000 »

Very pleased you are staying Nicky!!!  I wouldn't want to loose the star driver of my new team Wink

(P.S.  I think we need a team web site)
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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2009, 07:40:28 PM +0000 »

There was only going to be one division of 65s last season, so when we began to have two grids they both had to be int because of the need to be able to run on a combined grid.  

Many drivers prefer pro, because it encourages proper shifting and also more responsibility during the race, even though that means that only a proportion of drivers will finish a full race.   However pro drivers are prepared to pay the price of having retirements, even for incidents caused by an external factor, because it makes for better racing.  It also implies the responsibility not to overreact to any incidents, whatever the cause.

When we moved to pro we said that any drivers who prefered int, or shorter distances, could join the Novices in a slower car, that hasn't changed after the first race.  With Steve and Geoff preferring pro, there is the space to add further Coopers to the Novices.



 

 
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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2009, 07:51:58 PM +0000 »

I gotta say I was really surprised by how everybody was "on it" from the get go, considering the length of race and how there were no 2nd chances. I went very carefully for about 10 laps Smiley Not complaining, I was just very surprised how much confidence you had in each other, yourself and me, sorry I let a few of you down. Still learning (after all this time Roll Eyes) that there is world from getting an ok pace and racing "balls out".   

Very pleased you are staying Nicky!!!  I wouldn't want to loose the star driver of my new team Wink

You are anti pasties?

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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2009, 07:52:56 PM +0000 »

Thx Turkey Machine for that Vader Trophy idea , ( Max West still racing in there ? he was my team manager back those GP3 league days ) ,
But  would prefer to race 65 mod and first off all to stay here in this league. Cause as I said , I really enjoyed the way its managed and people talk to each others .
I like the English humor and its fun to me to try to build up my  English a bit .. and as I said yesterday in chat I am sorry for that you been droped out  .
( My only intentions yesterday where not to been  rear ended  like it happened to me that often during the practise race days before . So may to that fear I went in to that turn too fast   , makes it look ambitious . sorry  ).

Regards
NickyIckx

Yes, Max is still with us as far as I know! At least he was last season.

Just don't be as ambitious with your overtakes - plan them, think them through, look for drivers weak spots, compare them to your strong spots, and know the person you're racing - a good driver will respect the overtaker, I'll usually let people go, on a short track like Albi or Watkins Glen, it's likely easy to overtake effectively, on a long track like Spa or Nurburgring (still can't believe that's a D1 race, who the F&%$ thought that one up?! Tongue) it's more difficult because the speeds are so similar.

@Ginsters: who could be anti pasties? A good Cornish Pasty can't be beat! You should know that. Grin
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« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2009, 07:56:24 PM +0000 »

Clive et al...

Yes, sorry, then, for the chats for "<<< GO <<<", etc.  I was so fearful that I'd be steamrollered in my little Cooper that I wanted to make it quite clear to those slipstreaming me that in no way, shape, or form was I going to put up a fight.  I'll be keeping schtum from now on.  Promise.

And I see that Phil has posted a note elsewhere regarding the very same in-race chat occurences.  Message recevied...loud & clear, Boss!   Smiley

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« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2009, 07:56:40 PM +0000 »

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there is the space to add further Coopers to the Novices.


what you think Phil ,could our mechanics paint a cooper fezzy red ?

( yeah , team website would be cool , will try to attrac Norbert for that idea .. )



thx a lot  Cheesy Cheesy

happy NickyIckx
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« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2009, 06:39:37 PM +0000 »

Looks like I owe Ginsters an Apology  Embarrassed
It's only on watching the replay of the start just now I realised I wasn't in fact on the right hand side of the grid as I originally thought  Shocked
Sorry for cutting across you when the flag dropped - I simply had no idea you were alongside me - I must be getting old is my excuse, that or the BMW is rubbing off on me!  Grin


Edited coz I don't know left from right apparently!
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« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2009, 07:25:43 PM +0000 »

No worries FMJ. Thought that was fair enough but it did rather halt my best ever start, thats not saying much, in GPL  Grin 
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« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2009, 12:10:08 PM +0000 »

Felt an earth tremor tonight at 20:55 ESumT (09:55 GMT). Wasn't sure if it was an earthquake, or HER reacting to the damage bill from Spa......... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2009, 11:48:01 AM +0000 »

I'll be looking to do the moderation for this race tomorrow evening so here is last orders for submitting incident reports.
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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2009, 09:21:15 PM +0000 »

I've been eagerly waiting for this report for the last 2 nights, what's the holdup? Smiley

Looking forward to Albi BTW, looks like a fun track. Cheesy
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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2009, 09:41:36 PM +0000 »

I've been eagerly waiting for this report for the last 2 nights, what's the holdup? Smiley
Peer review by the moderators.  We always like to confer with each other to ensure fairness and consistency.  This does take a little time but it is worth it in the end.
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« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2009, 09:52:37 PM +0000 »

I've been eagerly waiting for this report for the last 2 nights, what's the holdup? Smiley
Peer review by the moderators.  We always like to confer with each other to ensure fairness and consistency.  This does take a little time but it is worth it in the end.

I half-wondered. I imagine there were a LOT of incident reports here. Smiley
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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2009, 11:32:33 PM +0000 »

Coupled with the fact it's my first one, it is taking perhaps longer than usual.
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