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  • S17Da Mexico City: April 28, 2009
April 28, 2009, 09:38:22 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Amateurs Trophy
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:51.421
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1 1:02:14.092
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33 1:51.966
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Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.480
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2 +12.868
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33 1:52.382
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Goodyear  
MikeBeattie
 Drake Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +0.981
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3 +26.312
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33 1:52.564
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Dunlop  
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.006
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4 +55.716
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33 1:52.792
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Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 12 +2.636
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5 +1:28.678
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33 1:54.077
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 13 +4.259
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6 +1:52.754
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33 1:54.726
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Dunlop  
Samb
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +1.303
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7 +1L
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32 1:54.776
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Dunlop  
Jack O'Ferrall
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 14 +5.352
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8 +44.511
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32 1:56.987
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Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.566
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9 +6L
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27 1:53.252
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Goodyear  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 +5.521
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10 +8L
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25 1:56.209
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Dunlop  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.969
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11 +33L
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 5 +0.977
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12
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +1.571
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13
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
Dave Randall
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +1.934
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14
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0 ---
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Dunlop  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +2.383
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15 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 16 ---
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Dunlop  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 17 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0

A classy race at the front watched by an unruly crowd.

Both the race and the crowd could have gone either way as soon as Turn 1 where all hell broke loose, but those that did make it through put up a good show with Clive chasing Hristo hard.

If this was indeed Numpty's last UKGPL race, he went out on a high.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h53m45s

Ken attempts to pass Fulvio exiting the Esses and Fulvio is pushed off the track wrecking his car. Ken slows and waits to see if Fulvio can rejoin then continues on. Ken had caught and followed Fulvio before attempting the pass which was triggered by a mistake from Fulvio.
The server shows no contact and a violent reaction from Fulvio's car suggesting warp. This incident, though involving warp, really comes down to whether or not there would have been contact without it.

I am of the opinion that there would not.

Genuine Warp Incident

  • Racing incident

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« on: April 25, 2009, 09:49:08 PM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 17 - Amateurs Trophy - Race 5 - 65 mod - Mexico City

The fifth round of the Amateurs Trophy finds us literally on top of the world at the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, the highest F1 race circuit in the world. Famed for its bumps, and at times its unruly crowd Mexico City is a love it or hate it track. Whichever it is for you, it was successful track for Jim Clark with a record 4 Pole Positions and 2 wins here.

Mexico has a very difficult opening sector with drivers having to go single file through the difficult T1 and chicane as it weaves its way through the polos. Accidents here have a nasty habit of coming back on track. Don't get caught out here as this time around we have upped the ante and the Amateurs will race at Pro level with no resets allowed.

Reserve drivers should not join until there are only 30 mins of qualifying left. However, all drivers should not go on track until there is 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.  Please restrict chat to pit messages.

Chassis allocations are below- the same chassis will be used for all races this season, unless there is an adjustment agreed by the moderator.  Good luck!

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race.

The 65 mod V2 update is being used by UKGPL and the updated layout features are very welcome, with the ability to record best lap times at addon tracks and to have 65 specific tracks. The new collision boxes are also a great improvement.  Though the new slipstream code will need extensive testing, the preliminary race seemed to show that it would be a definite improvement in racing terms, without the controversy over its extent, as with the 66 mod.

Thanks to all involved with producing the update.  If the new slipsteam code works as well as it seems it might, perhaps it could help persuade the authors of the 66 mod to rework their code as well!

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
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Race date = 28-04-2009
Time = 21:00
Track = Mexico
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = 50% Grand Prix (33 laps)


Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

CHASSIS ALLOCATION

FERRARI Phil Thornton, Will Tway (reserve), Burtoner*, Asbjeurn*
LOTUS  StormCloud, Dave Randall, Bartosz, Bernie*, Steve Bird*, Geoff65*
BRM  NatanVix, Samb, Ginsters, Steve Bucket*, Ian*
BT11  CliveLoynes, John Roberts, Ken, Jethro, Fulvio
HONDA  EvilClive, Tim, Iestyn (reserve)
COOPER Mike Beattie, Lorenzo, if he joins, otherwise any visiting speed merchant
BT7 Hristo

*drivers also assigned a Novices chassis

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Jim Clark won the 1965 Belgian Grand Prix in a Lotus.  Graham Hill took pole in his BRM P261 with a time of 3'45.4 .  The 1965 distance was 32 laps.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ has the download of the 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.  The 2.02 update is available here: http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 02:02:08 PM +0100 »

Never liked Mexico, found it impossible to set the car up well and was always disproportionately slow here.  Had trouble setting up the Lotus 33, until I almost welded up the diff a couple of days ago (33/85 and 3 clutches), now it finally goes round that last turn without understeering into the barrier!

Might have some fun here after all.. Shocked
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 02:07:49 PM +0100 »

LOL

 Grin Grin Grin Grin I luvs Mexico, it's luverly and flat!!  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 02:27:41 PM +0100 »

don't drink the water .

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 02:29:34 PM +0100 »

Not breathing might be a good idea as well!
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 02:37:57 PM +0100 »

Not breathing might be a good idea as well!

you swine !

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 03:03:41 PM +0100 »

The circuit is in a state of disrepair after the earthquake the other day. So bumps galore then! Grin
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 04:42:54 PM +0100 »

This is going to be a cracker!  Shocked As long as all go through turn one unscathed that is...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 04:54:24 PM +0100 »

UKGPL6, IP address for tonight; 80.5.200.198
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 08:27:33 PM +0100 »

Not breathing might be a good idea as well!

you swine !

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Guys, stop worrying.  Some Oinkment would soon sort it out.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 09:47:59 PM +0100 »

That was crappier than Nurby Sunday night! Wound up 9th on the grid after being as high as 2nd behind one-shot Numpty, got not the best start off the grid, and proceeded to pick a braking point into T1 when everybody else took it easy. Shot up the inside of somebody when I found a gap, proceeded to take it easy into T2 when all MAYHEM ensued, and I got tagged by a rebounding Dave Randall into an upside-down barrel roll. Not happy, but what can ya do! On to Rouen I guess.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 09:48:38 PM +0100 »

Damn, damn, damn.

Thanks very much to Geoff for the reminder, but I had not forgotten about the race.

I desperately pushed the car to its absolute limits as the road flowed before me and disappeared behind. Every other car was caught, assessed and then despatched into my rear view mirror. "More, faster" I thought to myself, but in the end it was not enough.

Unfortunately, that's not a description of driving the Lotus 33. It's actually a BMW 330d and that was my drive home from work to try to make the race.

By the time I signed onto iGOR the server was "mutating". Bugger. Fun drive home though.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 10:09:21 PM +0100 »

This 65 championship is going from bad to worse from my perspective, but I guess you have to make your own luck and just be good enough to be on the front row, then you're usually clear of any 1st lap carnage!!  No chance, qualified 10th so was always going to be a potential sandwich filler and so it was.  Turn 2 and cars were seemingly activating under-floor rockets, so I looked for and found a gap to take full advantage of this chaos only for a white thing to dispose of it's invisibility cloak and subsequently activate my own cars rocket to blow the engine to bits.

All development work now focused on the Historics..

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 11:18:05 PM +0100 »

Well, at least I finished this race but in all honesty, I wasn't happy with the way a drove today. Qualified in the top 10 for the first time in the amatuers so was reasonable happy with that. When the flag dropped for the race everyone got away cleanly, until corner 2 when all carnage ensued. I'm not sure what happened thanks to my internet settings but I did receive a scare when Clive's Honda appeared out of nowhere infront of me! Guess I need to sort out my bandwidth settings. After passing the drama of the 1st lap, I was up into 5th.

It remained that way for a few laps till the back end of the car decided to play games with me at the first corner. I made a poor rejoin right in front of Ken so I must apologise for that. I couldn't hear or see any cars so I just spun the car round only to find you right up my gearbox! Soon after that episode, I then had an argument with the concrete barrier just after the hairpin and speared straight into the wall over the grass. Got passed by a couple more cars and was down to 8th.

From then on I was driving my own race, trying to catch Steve, only for me to have another argument with the concrete barrier! Was amazed the car was still working okay after all the bumps and scrapes with the tyres this race. Eventually half way through I clipped a polo mint too many and bent the car's steering. It didn't want to turn right after that so I trundled home about 5 seconds off the pace I was managing earlier. So ended up 7th a lap down but I was glad to finish a second time this season. Maybe I can bag a decent result at Watkins next time round.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 06:18:33 AM +0100 »

By the time I signed onto iGOR the server was "mutating". Bugger. Fun drive home though.

You can still join it when it's mutating, it only means the practice session is ending but in a stand-by mode waiting for all to finish their laps.

As of my race, that was quite difficult. Clive was in a great form obviously and it really took me a lot of effort to better his time in qualifying. I had no illusions for the race though, considering the underpowered BT7 and the long run towards T1.

As it happens rarely though I had a very good start and was able to keep 1st as we were approaching T1, with Clive on the left and someone else's car in my slipstream but lifting up for safety reasons, which I'm thankful for.

T1 and T2 themselves were quite hectic as you never know how close exactly the other cars are and there's no time to take a good look in the mirrors, so sound was the only thing I could rely on. Took a bit of a risk cutting into the chicane of T2 and taking the whole road but good enough Clive was behind by then and so all went safe.

I was thinking it would be possible to break away from him while the tyres are cold as that's usually when he messes up, but despite my best efforts he held on to my tail and although I had a good run through the esses he closed up the gap with the run from there on towards T1 next lap.

Not enough to make a pass, but enough to keep me worried and after a few laps that scenario repeated itself. Clive was faster through the first sector of the track and I don't mean just the straights but most of the turns as well. That came as a surprise and I realized he has improved a lot!  Shocked

But I knew as long as I get a good exit from the esses I should be relatively safe and that was the main target, but on one occasion it didn't work that well and he nearly had a pass attempt as we went into T1 on the following lap.

The race felt very long and the finish was no any near in sight, so I had doubts I can keep up with that pressure for long, but then Clive made some sort of a mistake and dropped back enough to lose the effect of slipstream I was providing him with.

From there on I had only one option - push as hard as possible without looking back so he would never catch up again. It worked for a couple of laps and the gap grew up to 13 seconds or so, but then I clipped the concrete edge on the outside of the corner following the hairpin and that instantly sent me into the wall on the opposite side of the track. With sheer luck my front end took most of the initial impact so there was virtually no damage to the suspension.

All that allowed Clive to get the gap back down to 6 seconds and from then on I couldn't quite pull away as quick as before, partially due to all my tyres getting overly hot. The fact that my fastest lap was done so early in the race is a proof to that.

Anyway, there were no other surprises until the end and backmarkers were sometimes TOO polite, throwing themselves off the track much in advance... no need to be that radical guys.  Roll Eyes

I'm happy for the result and I hope SHE is happy too, but I want to congratulate Clive on a great performance and such massive improvement (at least from my point of view). Grats to all other finishers and to Tim for collecting some more points for HikiWaza!

Cheers,
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