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  • S18N Watkins Glen: September 08, 2009
September 08, 2009, 09:37:43 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 18 (2009-2010) Novices Trophy (65)
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 1 1:10.281
117.803mph
1 39:31.676
115.200mph
33 1:10.615
117.246mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.126
117.592mph
2 +7.329
114.845mph
33 1:10.777
116.978mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Honda RA272 F1 1965 3 +0.226
117.425mph
3 +9.658
114.733mph
33 1:10.461
117.502mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +0.245
117.394mph
4 +17.886
114.338mph
33 1:10.384
117.631mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +0.269
117.354mph
5 +1:09.555
111.918mph
33 1:11.019
116.579mph
Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +0.370
117.186mph
6 +41.199
113.233mph
33 1:10.759
117.007mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +0.750
116.559mph
7 +1:00.753
112.323mph
33 1:11.287
116.141mph
Goodyear  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +1.051
116.067mph
8 +1L
109.019mph
32 1:11.624
115.594mph
Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 11 +1.321
115.630mph
9 +2L
106.981mph
31 1:11.519
115.764mph
Dunlop  
Barry De La Rosa
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +13.125
99.265mph
10 +6L
91.447mph
27 1:19.372
104.310mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Mark65
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +0.778
116.513mph
11 +21L
113.336mph
12 1:11.334
116.064mph
Disco
Goodyear  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +0.874
116.356mph
12 +29L
93.107mph
4 1:13.558
112.555mph
accident
Dunlop  
6 UKGPL
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 13 14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

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Summary

Congratulations to Al Heller on a hard fought win. He was pushed very hard by the runner-up, Nicky Ickx. The race would probably have gone to the wire if it hadn’t been for an unfortunate warp contact at about three-quarter distance. Bernie drove a steady race, apart from a couple of excursions on the grass at the Loop, to claim the final podium place and pick up some valuable points.

There were a couple of warp incidents involving back markers. When being lapped it is generally better for the lapped driver to maintain their normal racing line, that way the overtaking car will be able to anticipate where the back marker is going. See the rules on Racing Etiquette for advice on how to allow a lapping car to pass cleanly. When lapping a car that is warping badly, it is much safer to take an inside line. The lapped driver should yield and the overtaking car will not be susceptible to warp (see the guidelines on warp incidents for an explanation).


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Lap 1 – Big Bend - Alastair Baldwin and Norbert Stemmler

Norbert is on Bernie’s tail as they barrel round The Speed Trap and is on the right hand side of the track as they approach Big Bend. Norbert is not close enough to attack and slots in behind Bernie who follows the racing line to the apex of the corner. Alastair brakes in plenty of time but he closes rapidly on Norbert who has slowed appreciably in order to avoid any risk of contact with Bernie. Unfortunately minor rear end contact is made but it is sufficient to send both Alastair and Norbert spinning off the track.

Alastair must shoulder most of the responsibility for this incident since he was the following car. However he would not have made contact if Norbert had not slowed unexpectedly. Norbert is entitled to a free shift R but Alastair does not and he correctly does a S&G at the end of lap two.


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Lap 2 – The Loop – Alastair Baldwin and Barry de la Rosa.

Alastair is much faster into the loop and rear–ends Barry.


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Lap 2 – Finish Straight – Barry de la Rosa and Norbert Stemmler

Barry runs wide at the 90 degree and applies slightly too much throttle whilst partially on the grass. This sends him into a nasty slide which he corrects but not before he has collected Norbert. Both cars can continue apparently undamaged.

Racing incident


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Lap 11 - Front Straight - RogUK

RogUK blows engine and makes a shift-R but fails to make S&G within two laps – penalty 30 seconds.


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Lap 13 – Finish Line – N Hance65, Barry de la Rosa and Billy Nobrakes.

Billy is leading N Hance by a dozen car lengths when they catch up to Barry near the 90. Barry is a couple of laps down and tries to get out of the way but nevertheless slows Billy considerably. This gives N Hance the opportunity to catch up and he tries to pounce on the run down to the finish line by driving between Billy and Barry. As the cars funnel down to turn 1 the gap narrows and contact is made, all three cars spin out.

N Hance makes a shift-R but correctly does a S&G at the end of lap fourteen.


Server replay time: 0h28m38s

Lap 23 – Back Straight – Billy Nobrakes and Barry de la Rosa

Billy is trying to lap Barry but gets a little too close and warp contact is made.

Warp incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h29m34s

Lap 25 – Turn 1 - Nicky Ickx and Barry de la Rosa

Al Heller has a 3 or 4 car length lead over Nicky as they round the 90. They catch up to Barry but can’t lap him before the finish line. Al decides to tuck in behind Barry as he turns in to turn 1 but Nicky sees an opportunity to pass both of them around the outside. Nicky makes it past but he is foiled by warp contact that catapults him into the Armco. Al avoids Nicky’s spinning Cooper and tries to overtake Barry on the inside of the first part of the Esses but warp intervenes again and this time Barry is sent spinning out.

Warp incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h38m20s

Lap 30 - The Loop - N Hance

N Hance65 runs wide at loop and is beached on the straw bales. He makes a shift-R but fails to do a S&G within 2 laps.

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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2009, 09:16:24 AM +0100 »

At the risk of opening up a debate, and just to give you a dilemma Barry, I disagree with Hristo and Clive.

Yes H is right Pribluda can be incredibly distracting and you need to train yourself not to Pribwatch or it's a sure fire way into the hedge but, especially for a newbie, it gives you a lot of notice as to when you are going to be lapped and by how many and lets you prepare.
What I do now is keep my eyes off it except for a glance on the straight but I use it to watch for any 'reds' (lappers) behind me which, thankfully, is now quite rare.
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2009, 10:10:22 AM +0100 »

LOL

I think you are treating the symptoms instead of the original affliction.

The best way to avoid the being lapped problem is to drive faster and not crash.

You will not do either of those by watching Prib.
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« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2009, 10:30:04 AM +0100 »

Pfft, you lot just can't multi-task! Tongue
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« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2009, 10:56:11 AM +0100 »

I like prib , but only use it to watch my tyres go into the red and find it handy to see how far ahead of me the next man is in front and behind, cos I rarely ever see the pit board and when It isnt on screen long enough for me to read and take in .

Anyway who cares just off me hols now for a week or so sailing on the bright blue briny Grin

Cyas all soon and keep practising   Smiley

 
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« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2009, 11:26:34 AM +0100 »

Anyway who cares just off me hols now for a week or so sailing on the bright blue briny Grin
Lucky you - have a good one boat
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« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2009, 11:30:22 AM +0100 »

I was really trying to keep out of the way but it was such a battle to keep it going in the right direction sometimes.

Had a close look at the replay.. looks like you picked up some pretty hefty damage to your car in the opening laps Barry - that usually affects the handling & would explain if you were suddenly finding your car undriveable. Not sure whether it's so noticeable in chase view, but in cockpit view you can definitely 'feel' when the car is damaged.

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« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2009, 11:47:04 AM +0100 »

Seems there are 2 types of driver - the Pribbers and the non-Pribbers.
Personally I think Prib has a lot to offer the less experienced driver - if you can avoid the distraction!
As mentioned you will know where the cars in front & behind are and it lets you know if the engine pressure & tyres overheat. Where I find useful - particularly learning a new track, are the split times. (Prib splits each lap into 4 sectors & times each). By experimenting with different brake points & gear selections you can improve your time. For chaps like Hristo & Clive they will consistently drive quick laps - they don't need Prib.
On the distraction side - you learn to ignore it. I now seem to spend most of my races trying to catch / stay with  Vos - he uses Prib & he doesn't make many mistakes.  (Not enough for my liking anyway).
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« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2009, 11:54:16 AM +0100 »

I used to use Prib, but these days the silly thing doesnt ever seem to work!, cant even get it up on screen.

Wish I knew how:/
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« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2009, 02:13:33 PM +0100 »

Had a close look at the replay.. looks like you picked up some pretty hefty damage to your car in the opening laps Barry - that usually affects the handling & would explain if you were suddenly finding your car undriveable. Not sure whether it's so noticeable in chase view, but in cockpit view you can definitely 'feel' when the car is damaged.

And can damage be fixed in the pits? I know on some of the other series you can't refuel and stuff...

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« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2009, 02:17:52 PM +0100 »

But it sounds like some of the racers in this series have been racing for quite a while, and certainly not newcomers. That's not 'novice'.

The trouble is Barry, we only have enough 65 drivers for 2 grids so they are split roughly down the middle though not quite. Some Novices are in Europe and the longer races don't suit them when they finish too late, others don't like to race under Pro rules with no resets so they stay in Novices.

If we had enough drivers for 3 grids then the Novices class would be made up of the slower drivers and newcomers like yourself with the top half of the Novices grid moving up to a middle division.

Until we get those numbers you will be racing with some pretty experienced "Novices".

That is far better than having 3 half full grids but may seem more daunting at first.

Stick with it, it will be worth it.

It's just come as a bit of a surprise to see my race mentioned in this forum so often. I don't mind, and I'm certainly not 'having a go' as everyone to a tee has been helpful, but when I entered the novice series I thought I'd be racing people who, like me, had just started. I.E. there'd be a whole bunch of us struggling round the track and I've have a chance of competing...

Anyhow, onwards and upwards! Will do some googling for setups and try and improve for the next race.

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« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2009, 02:33:33 PM +0100 »

It's just come as a bit of a surprise to see my race mentioned in this forum so often. I don't mind, and I'm certainly not 'having a go' as everyone to a tee has been helpful, but when I entered the novice series I thought I'd be racing people who, like me, had just started. I.E. there'd be a whole bunch of us struggling round the track and I've have a chance of competing...
To be honest that's exactly what I thought when I first joined. After a while I realised there's not too many brand new GPL'ers out there, probably because it's no longer on general release.
I think you'll find you're getting a lot of extra attention as we all want to help you through the inital hurdles. On that note keep an eye on the announcements section, we'll shortly be launching some guidance for new drivers, something we've planned to do for a while.

Best of luck for the next race - the only way is up  Wink

PS: in a non-PRO race you can Shift/R which resets the car damage and fuel...
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« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2009, 02:37:22 PM +0100 »

Had a close look at the replay.. looks like you picked up some pretty hefty damage to your car in the opening laps Barry - that usually affects the handling & would explain if you were suddenly finding your car undriveable. Not sure whether it's so noticeable in chase view, but in cockpit view you can definitely 'feel' when the car is damaged.

And can damage be fixed in the pits? I know on some of the other series you can't refuel and stuff...

BdlR

If you've sustained damage, you can only repair it by doing a shift-r (not in the pits) which will reset your car to its starting state (i.e., undamaged but also full of fuel & with cold tyres). If the damage is your own fault when you take a shift-R then you need to make a stop & go pitstop within 2 laps of the reset. If you are pretty certain that the damage was not your fault then you can skip the stop & go pitstop (though the moderators will have a look & may apply penalties if they disagree!)

I was also surprised by the pace of the novices when I joined at the tail-end of last season but once you get the hang of these cars your pace will rapidly improve. The laptimes in quallie show that the top 10 cars were separated by a whisker over 1 second - which is not bad considering that everyone was using different chassis & setups.
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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2009, 08:51:05 PM +0100 »

I notice from the results at the top of this thread I retired due to disco. What is disco? As far as I knew I finished the race.

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« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2009, 08:55:40 PM +0100 »

I notice from the results at the top of this thread I retired due to disco. What is disco? As far as I knew I finished the race.
A disco is an internet disconnect but ignore that as the importer cannot determine what is a real disco and what is a crash or engine failure (most of the time) or, as in your case, you crossed the finishing line. It makes no difference to the points you receive.
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« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2009, 09:59:12 PM +0100 »

Hi sorry for late post, been to busy workwise. Great quali at Glen all cars only about a second apart. Started 5th on grid, had 7 brill laps with Locarno ahead of me and Vosblod pushing behind, all went pear shape when my BRM decided to mate with Locarno's Ferrari at the Loop, sorry Vosblod you had to stop and then take the scenic route around me, after that my driving was poor and lucky to finish 5th. Grats to podium and special to Al for 1st.
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