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  • S18N Zandvoort: December 01, 2009
December 01, 2009, 10:47:55 PM +0000 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 18 (2009-2010) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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G Jonsson
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:28.562
105.868mph
1 40:54.156
103.151mph
27 1:29.702
104.522mph
Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.009
104.675mph
2 +5.202
102.932mph
27 1:30.101
104.059mph
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +1.682
103.894mph
3 +53.352
100.956mph
27 1:30.843
103.209mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +2.305
103.182mph
4 +53.757
100.940mph
27 1:30.645
103.435mph
Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +2.447
103.021mph
5 +57.678
100.782mph
27 1:31.264
102.733mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +2.487
102.976mph
6 +1:06.240
100.440mph
27 1:30.781
103.280mph
Goodyear  
maestro57
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +2.788
102.636mph
7 +1:13.533
100.150mph
27 1:31.039
102.987mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +1.787
103.774mph
8 +1:13.730
100.142mph
27 1:30.524
103.573mph
Dunlop  
D-Rock
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +0.985
104.703mph
9 +1:23.082
99.773mph
27 1:30.011
104.163mph
Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 +3.687
101.636mph
10 +1L
99.019mph
26 1:30.724
103.345mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 13 +3.144
102.238mph
11 (+3) +14.757
98.429mph
26 1:32.316
101.562mph
Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 7 +1.825
103.730mph
12 +35.493
97.612mph
26 1:30.689
103.385mph
Dunlop  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 14 +3.145
102.237mph
13 +1:23.535
95.770mph
26 1:31.674
102.274mph
Dunlop  
G Poole
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 16 +3.838
101.470mph
14 (+2) +2L
96.051mph
25 1:31.675
102.273mph
Goodyear  
BookieW
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 17 +6.910
98.205mph
15 +1:42.047
92.196mph
25 1:33.318
100.472mph
Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 4 +1.078
104.594mph
16 (+3) +13L
97.445mph
14 1:30.010
104.164mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Flatspot
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.860
102.556mph
17 +19L
92.908mph
8 1:33.127
100.678mph
accident
Goodyear  
2 GamesclanT7
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 18 20 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY
A maiden win for Van Tussman made all the more sweet by claiming pole position and the fastest lap into the bargain. Nicky maintained his strong challenge for the title with a superb second place. Fabio secured his first podium finish of the season, well done.


Server replay time: 0h00m51s

Lap 1 – Start Line – Graham Poole and Bookie Westbrook

Graham was so far back he needed a telescope to see the flagman. Nevertheless he wasn’t last on the grid, that honour fell to Bookie. Graham drifts left off the start line and makes contact with Bookie who had made a much better start (presumably he was telepathic and knew in advance when the flag would drop).

Graham didn’t seem to realize that Bookie was alongside at the start. Unless you are absolutely certain that you are the last car on the grid, maintain a straight path until you are absolutely sure there are no cars along side. This is a first lap incident so attracts an extra place penalty.


Server replay time: 0h00m55s

Lap 1 – Tarzanbocht – Vlad Vosblod, Al Heller and Fabio Locarno.

Both Al and Fabio get better starts than Vlad and overhaul him on the run down to Tarzanbocht. Al gets clean through on Vlad’s right and Fabio gets along side on the left and is almost exactly a full car length ahead as they reach the braking zone. Vlad drifts left and makes contact with Fabio’s offside rear wheel, slewing him around and into Al. At this point complete carnage ensues involving most of the field.

Although surrounded on both sides, Vlad should have steered a straight course. He didn’t make any significant steering input, but he allowed his car to drift left as if heading for the racing line. Having made a slow start, Vlad should have expected to have cars all around him so he should have concentrated on maintaining a straight predictable course. This is a first lap incident so attracts an extra place penalty.

Al Heller, Phil Flatspot and Alastair Baldwin are entitled to a no-fault shift R.


Server replay time: 0h02m56s

Lap 2 - Tarzanbocht – Billy Nobrakes and Phil Flatspot

Billy looses control and spins off the track finishing stationary on the banking but facing back towards the track with what would be a clear view of the braking zone had he used the “Look Right” cockpit view (keyboard “X” by default but remapping the “Look Left” and “Look Right” functions to easily accessible buttons, like the red buttons on a Logitech G25 wheel, makes the views much easier to use). He doesn’t see Phil approaching and rejoins directly onto the racing line causing a pile-up.

Phil Flatspot is entitled to a no-fault shift R.

  • Billy Nobrakespenalty — Appallingly Bad Rejoin — 3 places lost

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« on: November 30, 2009, 12:57:54 AM +0000 »

Season 18 Novices Trophy - Round 6 - Zandvoort

The sixth race of the season is at Zandvoort.  The track is located in Burgemeester van Alphenstraat in the dunes north of the town of Zandvoort in the Netherlands.  In all 32 grand prix races were held there between 1948 and 1985.  Unfortunately part of the circuit was sold off in the late 1980s to make way for some bungalows and a pie shop overlooking the local nudist beach.  A shortened circuit is still in use today but sadly not by the Formula 1 cars.

Chassis Reallocation:  At the half way stage in the season Al Heller has a healthy lead in the championship with 4 out of 5 wins.  Consequently Al has moved chassis from the BRM to the Brabham BT7.  All other drivers remain in their original chassis.  However, chassis allocation will be under constant review for the rest of the season.

We don't have enough grid slots to accomodate all the full-time and reserve drivers so the reserve drivers should only join if a grid slot is available (usually the case).  Consequently, reserve drivers should not join the race server whilst there is more than 30 mins of qualifying left.  Full time drivers must join the server promptly (before there is only 30 minutes of qualifying left) to be sure of a grid slot.  

Having joined the server, no drivers should go out on track until there is 30 minutes of qualifying left - this helps to ensure all the full-time drivers have joined the server successfully before qualifying begins.

Please restrict chat to "pit in" / "pit out"  messages, and at the end of the race avoid chat until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Please be in the IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above

Server = update GamesclanT7_2 (please note we are currently using a server kindly provided by Fulvio)
IP Address = 62.149.202.168
Race Date = 01-12-2009
Time = 21:00
Track = Zandvoort
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qually Time = 30 minutes.
Race Length = Long
Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

Chassis allocations are below, and the same chassis will be used for all races this season unless there is an adjustment agreed by the moderator.  Please note chassis adjustments can be made at any time not just at the mid season review.  Good luck!

FULL TIME DRIVERS
Burtoner - Brabham BT7
G Poole - Brabham BT11
Vosblod - Lotus
Happy Al - Lotus
Maestro - Brabham BT11
Nicky - Cooper
Bookie - Ferrari
Norbert - Ferrari
NHance - BRM
Al Heller - Brabham BT7
Il Lupo - Ferrari
RogUK - BRM
Mark65 - Brabham BT11
Barry De La Rosa - Ferrari
Billy Nobrakes - Brabham BT11
Bernie - Honda
Tussman - Brabham BT11
Roberto Motta - Lotus

RESERVE DRIVERS
Viss - Ferrari
Karliss - Honda
D-Rock - Lotus
Gilles27 - Lotus
Nigel Smith - Lotus

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race.
If you have re-installed UKGPL over the summer break or are joining us for the first time, please don't forget to use the updated 65 mod which is available here: Jamesonline.net/UKGPL
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 07:01:20 PM +0000 »

here's hoping the server behaves itself for once 

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 08:27:45 PM +0000 »

Posted on both race threads

We are using the Gamesclan server for the Novices race tonight.
I have made some changes to ukgpl6 and would like to run a short test race after the Amateurs finishes. Say Monza, Int-Short, 15 mins qually.
If any of you can hang around for a bit after the main event and help test, it would be much appreciated. Ideally we need more then ten to check it properly.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 11:47:37 PM +0000 »

Not the best start to my GPL racing career.  Qualifying was OK as I was within a few tenths of my PB, though I think I ought to be able to get under 1:31 with a bit more practice.

Got too close to Maestro going into Tarzan at the start, and tapped him gently from behind, then moments later he'd turned 90 degrees and I tapped him again and my car went somewhat implausibly flying through the air.  I'll try to leave more room next time.  I forgot to do my stop-go penalty too.

On the next lap I hit Billy who was coming back on at Tarzan, and my car flipped.

I failed to settle down into a rhythm and had several offs, particularly pushing too hard at the last corner Pulleveld.  I wasn't sure if I'd done some minor damage to the car bouncing off the barriers as it felt understeery, but it could just have been that I hadn't practiced much with heavier fuel.

Then capped off a bad race by beaching on Tarzan mid-race, and decided to call it quits to avoid taking everyone out as they came through to lap me.

I find I have a lot of difficulty managing the car on warming tyres, as under braking the car feels very loose when the lefts are up to temperature but the rights haven't caught up.  Should I be setting pressures higher?  At the moment I set pressures so I get 25 psi after several laps, but find the car hard to control for the first 3-5 laps until everything's warmed up.

[Edit: Just managed a 1:29.802!  Wish I could have found that sort of speed when it mattered.  Still no consistency though.  Definitely past my bedtime now.]
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 11:56:13 PM +0000 »

Posted on both race threads

We are using the Gamesclan server for the Novices race tonight.
I have made some changes to ukgpl6 and would like to run a short test race after the Amateurs finishes. Say Monza, Int-Short, 15 mins qually.
If any of you can hang around for a bit after the main event and help test, it would be much appreciated. Ideally we need more then ten to check it properly.


bowlocks , only just seen this post  Undecided


No probs joining gamescan ,got straight in on 1st go so suspect it was lag causing my problems , so sorry I could have tested 6 tonight  Roll Eyes


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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 02:21:11 AM +0000 »

Well the start lap incident. To be honest when it happened I felt it wasn't my fault and didn't take a SnG.
On looking at the replay I have to say it looks like it was my fault so apologies to Fabio, Al, Rog and anyone else caught up in it.
Not a defence but an explanation - at the start Al got the jump on me and going into Tarzan Fabio had achived overlap. I knew he was on my left and Al right with Rog behind him so was piggy in the middle. I thought if I slow too much going into L1 T1 I might cause a pile up behind so reduced speed slowly to let Fabio through. I didn't reduce enough obviously.
Anyway apologies again - I'm usually extremely carefull.
Rest of race. I'd been really pleased to Q 4th but, after the incident, found myself at the back. I desperately tried to make up ground and it started resulting in stupid mistakes. In the end decided to retire, not my race.


Not the best start to my GPL racing career.  Qualifying was OK as I was within a few tenths of my PB, though I think I ought to be able to get under 1:31 with a bit more practice.
Don't even look up my first online race. You did well and welcome to UKGPL
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2009, 03:42:05 AM +0000 »

First off, sorry to anyone I may have inadvertently bumped or impeded due to my multiple spins and offs.

Second, this was probably the worst race I've ever had in my 11 years playing racing games. After a couple of rookie mistakes early on I just couldn't get into a rhythm if my life had depended on it.
Of course after falling behind I pushed harder to gain back time, which inevitably led to more spins. This wasn't helped by the fact that my handling got progressively worse as the fuel burned off. By my estimation I lost at least 65-75 seconds due to errors, made all the more bitter by 3rd place finishing only 30 seconds ahead of me. I'll definitely be more conservative in Adelaide after losing what should have been an easy podium.  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2009, 08:42:42 AM +0000 »

Should I be setting pressures higher?  At the moment I set pressures so I get 25 psi after several laps, but find the car hard to control for the first 3-5 laps until everything's warmed up.

You should set your tyre pressures so they reach a nice even temperature across the whole tyre using pressure and camber, though that goes out of the window at Spa and Monza as people overinflate tyres to give less high speed resistance.

Generally everybody takes a couple of laps to get theirs up to temp and the car will feel different, my setups tend to give me oversteer on cold tyres.Once I have my setup somewhere near how I want it I do runs of 10 laps or so and see how the tyres are at the end of it.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2009, 12:19:48 PM +0000 »

I like this track. Still it's a sign of the competition when you qually within 3% of the lap record & only get 7th on the novices grid. A handy crash at turn 1 lap 1 left me 4th going into lap 2. Still it will take a Turkey Machine type penalty imposing on the perpetrators for me to get any benefit from that as I eventually finished 12th.
No point in going defensive too early in the race so various bods passed me although I did get bumped off early on as well. Eventually was 9th but with 9 to go I beached it at turn 1 & had to shift R & S&G which dropped me to 12th. A bit concerned for the last laps as Happyal was filling my mirrors & he & I usually meet when stepping from wreckage (well we did in season 17). No offence Al, good behaviour all round by us both.
My braking is the weakest part of my driving as I can't heel/toe so just slam 'em on & select the gear for the corner just before turning. I suspect ( ok I know from a posting but it wasn't by a novice) some use the paddle shift but I'm not going that route. This sparked some comment, by my team mate for one, on a forum, but I'm sticking with the H shift in spite of all the times I miss gears.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 12:52:20 PM +0000 »

LOL Norm,

I was on my best behaviour, when I saw someone spinning, at first I thought, yippee someone to play with Smiley Then I saw it was you, and because we've had a few paint swapping moment, I made darm sure I was well within my limits.

The only heart in the month moment was braking for turn 1, I thought I'd better brake early to be careful, didn't expect how early you where braking.... anyway, it was OK in the end, as I managed to slow down enough and took note for the next lap. Of course that was when I spun it, and let you go. After that I had a few other moments, and very sorry to G Poole, I really thought I left you enough space, you disapeared from my view and I thought you'd backed off, so I continued right into you. Very sorry.

Apart from those bits it was a lonely but steady race for me. I thought I'd be higher up the grid, but everyone is so fast these days. I hope my speed imrpves soon, as it's a bit disheartening at the back all the time.

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 01:42:52 PM +0000 »

One incident of note - missed my braking into Tarzan on lap 2 & was a bit too hasty with the rejoin. Have not checked the replay but I'm guessing this caused the collison with Flatspot (maybe he was too "flat" to "spot" - sorry)& some further disruption to following cars. Apologies to all concerned.
Otherwise quite happy to have kept the Brab on the grey stuff for pretty much all of 26 laps with no shift R.
Just to echo Happy Al's comment - despite lots of practice and edging down the laps times this league just gets more competitive.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2009, 03:20:33 PM +0000 »

Ok thanks Happy Al. Lets say that evens the score so now go hard as you like when I'm in the way & what happens, happens, there will be no hard feelings on my account. It made the last laps interesting!.

Like Billy says its getting competative. If like me you were a mid field, at best, runner last season & thought - well we got rid of the best 4 (that could go up) to amateurs so now I may be higher up the field. Well no. Al H proves so good he's been given a BT7, Rog Uk goes BRM & goes even faster, & up pops new men Tussman, D Rock to name but two.

Good though 'innit
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2009, 04:51:44 PM +0000 »

Ok thanks Happy Al. Lets say that evens the score so now go hard as you like when I'm in the way & what happens, happens, there will be no hard feelings on my account. It made the last laps interesting!.


Hi Norm,

I think you’re being very generous there, thank you. I really enjoy racing you because you’re always fair, I hope I’m starting to show you the same consideration back, I’m just sorry we have some many coming together’s in the past, which if we’re honest, was all my fault.

Look forward to racing you again at the next race, hope we have many laps in a battle for places, because it was fun while it lasted at Zandy.
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2009, 05:04:48 PM +0000 »

My braking is the weakest part of my driving as I can't heel/toe so just slam 'em on & select the gear for the corner just before turning. I suspect ( ok I know from a posting but it wasn't by a novice) some use the paddle shift but I'm not going that route. This sparked some comment, by my team mate for one, on a forum, but I'm sticking with the H shift in spite of all the times I miss gears.
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Using H shifter it the only proper way to change gears in GPL;)

I also don't use H&T because it's very uncomfortable with G25 pedals. Try left foot braking Wink
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2009, 08:14:04 PM +0000 »

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My congratulations goes to Tussman for his brilliant drive ( practise  and race ) very very well deserved win !!!!!
As well , big hand to Fabio for great 3rd & special congratulations to my team mate  Norbert !
He really did extreme well , 3rd on Race Laps consistency !!!!!!!
Big congrats of course to Roger on nice 4th and to all taken part .

As Vosblod , D.Rock and Al got bad luck it was possible for me to came out 2nd in the end ,
with no way  to give Tussman  any sort of hard times to be honest.
First lap I thought maybe  I would have been able to stay in his tow , waiting for mistakes to come. But he was so badly warping to me that I decided to stay bit more save behind , instead of attack him . well as the result clearly shows , I was all the way much too slow anyway.lol.

Special thanks goes to Billy and Bookie for taking care lapping been an save thing !!!!
I doesn’t felt comfortable in that behind Nigel ,  but maybe I should have risk to come more close to him , just to make clear I am on to lap him .. ( hell , but that understeering served to me was that kinda worse , that I don’t want to risk to much at that time 4 laps to go .. ).

All in all an great funny race . thx all .

( only downside : server quality to me wasn’t perfect , L-bar  between 10%-20% , constant understeering on my Cooper and as metioned above , some warping cars.

Well seen you all at Adelaide !
Btw , which version of Adelaide will it be ?

Regards
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