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June 29, 2010, 10:02:11 PM +0100 - Sachsenring - UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Amateurs Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.744
116.493mph
1 47:52.084
115.640mph
17 2:46.999
116.988mph
Dunlop  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 1 2:45.966
117.717mph
2 +43.592
113.911mph
17 2:49.854
115.022mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +7.940
112.342mph
3 +2:24.940
110.085mph
17 2:55.639
111.234mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 3 +1.338
116.775mph
4 +2L
111.397mph
15 2:50.698
114.453mph
Disco
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 14 5 +3L
107.465mph
14 2:54.283
112.099mph
Disco
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.488
117.372mph
6 +4L
111.046mph
13 2:46.052
117.656mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +7.111
112.880mph
7 +6L
113.091mph
11 2:49.083
115.547mph
Disco
Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +11.159
110.300mph
8 +9L
108.060mph
8 2:56.034
110.984mph
Disco
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 12 9 +47.912
104.595mph
8 3:03.289
106.591mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 13 10 +13L
106.692mph
4 2:54.699
111.832mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +12.247
109.627mph
11 +15L
107.713mph
2 2:49.512
115.254mph
Disco
Dunlop  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +2.986
115.636mph
12 +17L
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Disco
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 6 +6.314
113.402mph
13
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0 ---
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Disco
Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY

A clean race with no reported incidents.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1965
2:45.966
117.717mph
kinghiro
Qualifying
BRM P261 (1965)June 29, 2010, 10:02:11 PM +0100
S19A
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1965
2:46.052
117.656mph
G Jonsson
Race
Brabham BT11 (Climax)June 29, 2010, 10:02:11 PM +0100
S19A
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« on: June 26, 2010, 08:24:34 PM +0100 »

Season 19 Amateurs Trophy - Round 7 - Sachsenring

Another long and terrifying street circuit that so epitomizes the 1960s Grand Prix scene.  This track is slightly wider than Schottenring but just as dangerous and no easier to pass on.  There are lots of undulations and slipstreaming straights so it is going to be tough on the low powered cars.  Please take your time trying to overtake, it will be very difficult for following drivers to avoid any wreckage that may be littering the track.

Reserve drivers should not join until there are only 30 mins of qualifying left and all drivers should not go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Don't forget to use the updated 65 mod for this race.

Please be in the IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above

Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race Date = 29-06-2010
Time = 21:00
Track = Sachsenring
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Pro
Qually Time = 30 minutes.
Race Length = 50 minutes (17 Laps)
Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

We have split the cars into groups based on average performance and split the drivers into groups based on average ability. The chassis numbers for Amateurs are as follows:

AMATEUR CHASSIS GROUPS
1 - Lotus, Ferrari
2 - BRM, Honda
3 - BT11
4 - Cooper
5 - BT7

Each driver has been given a seeding number and must pick a chassis with either an equal number or higher number but not a lower number. For example, if a driver is given a seeding of 2, he must pick one of the cars in group 2 (BRM or Honda) but if he would prefer to drive either the BT11, Cooper or BT7 he may do so. This means that a driver given a seeding of 1 can pick any chassis he prefers.

**NOTE**
Whichever chassis a driver begins his first race with is the chassis he must use for the remainder of the season unless a change has been agreed with the moderator.

The following drivers have made their chassis choice:

FULL TIME
Driver
Chassis
Phil
Ferrari 512
EvilClive
Cooper
Bernie
Lotus 33
John Roberts
Brabham BT11
FullMetal
Brabham BT7
b_1_rd
Lotus 33
policardi
Brabham BT11
al heller
BRM P261
Nicky
Brabham BT11
clutch
Lotus 33
kinghiro
BRM P261
g jonsson
Brabham BT11
Jimmy Rye
BRM P261
natan
BRM P261

RESERVES
DriverSeeding
Hristo
Brabham BT7


The following drivers are still to make their chassis choice:

RESERVES
DriverSeeding
Bartosz
1
Asbjeurn
1
Ruud
1
Bob Whitwell
3

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race which is available here:
Jamesonline.net/UKGPL
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2010, 06:30:20 PM +0100 »

Server running on IGOR for pre-race testing. 

Got to pop out now but should be back in time to start server.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 07:09:32 PM +0100 »

Who's idea is the password then?  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2010, 08:28:55 PM +0100 »

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Who's idea is the password then?
personaly I dont like that ...its too harsh , but maybe I am not used to all  attitudes of british humour . so I am getting it wrong ...

however , as Spain:Portugal still is on I am not sure if I will be at Sachsenring in time
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2010, 09:52:21 PM +0100 »

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Who's idea is the password then?
personaly I dont like that ...its too harsh , but maybe I am not used to all  attitudes of british humour . so I am getting it wrong ...
My choice of password.  Not intended to be a joke or provocative, just trying to make sure everyone was aware of what has happened.  Not everyone reads the mod reports.  Sorry for any offence, definitely not intended.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2010, 09:54:08 PM +0100 »

arrrrrggghh  screen freeze on lap 1 T2 Sad
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2010, 10:02:24 PM +0100 »

arrrrrggghh  screen freeze on lap 1 T2 Sad
Weird Al B and I just got the same at Wigram...
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2010, 10:38:28 PM +0100 »

I had gremlins too but of an external type  Undecided

2 power cuts during quali!!! house alarms going off everywhere..only managed a single lap and ended up 7th on grid....so the race did not look too promising  Undecided

Jumped a couple of places at the start and just tried to feel my way in until Hristo came screaming past lol. Then Natan spun in front of Hristo and we had a road block whilst the leaders vanished over the horizon!!

Squeezed through and was running in a lonely 5th place until Goran and Al decided to go Rallycrossing together somewhere or perhaps they stopped at that Tavern at the back of the circuit?

So up to 3rd with 7 laps to go and no other car in sight  Cool carry on cruising around and realise that I am slowly closing on Tom in 2nd spot  Shocked Then the server decides to ignore me and I am instantly a lap down Undecided
The distraction of looking at prib and trying to work out why everything has gone red, causes the inevitable prang on the dip in the back straight and there is now a piece of that forest which is forever Cooper!!!

I could say that it was great fun......but I won't Undecided

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2010, 11:15:41 PM +0100 »

Couldnt get on terms with the track at all , esp the last sector , car was bottoming on the fast bit into the dip no matter what suspension settings I tried , gave me a fright or two as it hit off the bumpers and sent me wildly spinning . I was recovering from the  last dose of gyrations when Tim came along at full chat I tried to get outa the way but although the Lotus had stopped spinning my brains were still going round in circlees , unfortunately Tim tagged me and I was retired , thankfully he could carry on , Hope I didnt spoil your race to much Tim  Roll Eyes

Wasnt helped by my graphics which were still building the road up ahead as I drove along , the phenominum happened every lap but only on the last section between the big pine trees , really weird .

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2010, 11:36:58 PM +0100 »

Massivley sorry for rear-ending you in the woods Bernie, If anything it was my fault as I didn't realise how slow you were still travelling as I approached.
I didn't know which side of the road you'd pick so chose the right just as you seemed to, I was a passenger from then on as I just couldn't shave off the speed.
Just watched the reply and you quite possibly hadn't even seen me as you pulled back onto the racing line I appeared that fast  Embarrassed

To be honest taking you out has put a bit of a downer on an otherwise fantastic (and unexpected) victory as I feel very guilty.

Back to the race though:
Qually went well as I beat my previous PB in the BT7 (not hard as I kept going rambling throught the fields while practicing offline) and found myself in an unexpected 4th.
When the flag dropped my gamble with a slightly longer 1st payed off as I managed not to bog down and was close enough to pounce when Al went wide and slowed slightly through the first s bend, I was now in 3rd approaching the entry to the town and the first right hander put me right on Goran's exhaust. The entire run throught the town was a class in collision avoidance as the little BT7 was just so nimble and fast I couldn't help nearly getting alongside in inadvisable places simply because Tom and Goran's BT11/BRM were so slow on the entire run upto hairpin  ninja

Goran then made a mistake just inside the town on the 2nd lap allowing me to sneak through to 2nd, the exit to the Hairpin saw me right behind Tom where I ragged my poor little Climax something terrible trying to stay in the draft.
Tom then made a slight mistake entering the compress in the woods and so I pounced and went up the inside of him - It turns out that Tom only spotted me at the last minute so a close one for both of us!  Shocked

From then on I managed to slowly pull away and start eeking out a decent gap to the rest of the field, and all was going swimmingly until I rear-ended Bernie as he rejoined  Sad
Sadly he ended up on his roof while my tortured little Brabham seemed totally unharmed?  Shocked

Spent the rest of the race re-building my lead and praying that I didn't hit anyone else in the woods......


Very well done to the finishers and podium - sorry I missed digging you out of the ditch on my inadvertant victory lap Al  whistling
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 11:40:37 PM +0100 »

.....car was bottoming on the fast bit into the dip no matter what suspension settings I tried , .......
Same for me Bernie but I found that if I straightlined the corner I could survive the car bottoming out and maintain control.  Didn't have time to fully sort the setup.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2010, 12:02:56 AM +0100 »


Tom then made a slight mistake entering the compress in the woods and so I pounced and went up the inside of him - It turns out that Tom only spotted me at the last minute so a close one for both of us!  Shocked


I didn t do a mistake Tim..easy and on the leftside is how I do that dangerous area Smiley

Anyway I did a very nice qual and got pole. My plan was to take it easy since I was afraid I wouldn t last 17 laps pushing on this track. I stuck with my plan and "cruised in to a second and I m very pleased.
Tim flew by me and g√łran was pushing too and I let him through. he unfortunatly spun on that dangerous wood compress mentioned but I managed to slow down and avoid him with some luck. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2010, 06:35:41 AM +0100 »

It seems that dip caught out a lot of people and it's what caused my retirement eventually as well. I was very tired coming into the race, haven't had slept for a long time and I also didn't have a setup, so the whole Qualifying setup was spent testing out different settings and crashing/spinning off.

Ended up last on the grid, but quickly made up a couple of positions as cars in front of me bogged down. Then some BRM (I think) span at the left hand hairpin and hit me as I tried to avoid it on the inside. I had to wait for everyone to pass by until I could spin the car around at this narrow section.

I had nothing to lose from there on and so gave it all I had and began making up places even before the first lap ended. It was a bit hairy with some people as they weren't aware I was passing them, but somehow we avoided contact.

I did another lap without problems, making up another place or two, but I tried even harder the next lap in attempt to close up on the leaders as soon as possible. Then the dip caught me out, I entered it too fast and probably not through the best of lines, so the car just snapped and went into the trees who in return ripped its rear left wheel. Game Over.

Judging by Tim's laptimes I wouldn't have had a chance to catch him up, but perhaps 2nd was a possibility. The lack of setup and better understanding of the 65mod-to-track relationship worked against me though.

Grats Tim and all finishers!
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2010, 07:17:53 AM +0100 »

Any small pace I did have seems to have disappeared, a bit like the engine internals!  The engine going is a bit of a mystery to me as I was not buzzing the it at all, but must be doing something wrong being this far off and wrecking the car too.

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 11:05:18 AM +0100 »

No probs Tim , I "heard " you coming and Knew you would be flying , on a part of the track where control is dodgy , I was expecting you to pass on the LHS so decided to go for the ditch on the right , but my pace was still very slow and I couldnt begin to get out of your way fast enough , Not the best place to put a Lotus "chicane" in your way , the best I could do was crouch low in the cockpit with head between knees and pray  Roll Eyes

Interesting circuit though which makes me totally respect the RL guys who raced there and other road tracks like Pescara for e.g. wich I dont think is modelled for GPL but is claimed to be the scene of the last ever true road race for grand prix cars

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Never been "rear ended in the woods" before  Cheesy (perish the thought )  Shocked

 
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