UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Amateurs Trophy (65) - Pebble Beach - Oct 26

[vosblod]

Haha or at least make a custom grid with much wider gap between positions. Tim, is that possible?

We do have one of Paul Jackson's online loose grids for this one - I'll make sure it goes on T7_2. Tim might want to tweak it but if you space the cars further it tends to mean the back of the grid completely loses sight of the flag.

[FullMetalGasket]

I have a sneaky feeling the rear of the grid will already be around the kink before the startline on a loose grid anyway - and as Tim mentions the guys at the back will struggle to see the flag even if it isn't obscured. It might be better to simply institute a no passing into T1 on L1 rule (I refuse to say no-passing at all because that makes things very tricky and unfair at the start, if you get a better start than the car alongside you ect..) if it looks likely to be really dodgy

[Hristo Itchov]

I have a sneaky feeling the rear of the grid will already be around the kink before the startline on a loose grid anyway - and as Tim mentions the guys at the back will struggle to see the flag even if it isn't obscured. It might be better to simply institute a no passing into T1 on L1 rule (I refuse to say no-passing at all because that makes things very tricky and unfair at the start, if you get a better start than the car alongside you ect..) if it looks likely to be really dodgy

I think some of the people on the grid are going to be put around the last corner in any case, with or without loose grid, so why not go for it? Not seeing the flagman would actually make it safer - people will start only after those in front begin to move.

[FullMetalGasket]

I guess - will have a play with the loose grid settings when I've recovered from my hangover 

[vosblod]

I guess - will have a play with the loose grid settings when I've recovered from my hangover 

If you get stuck let me know - done a few. Experimentation seems to be the key.
I don't believe we've ever had a no passing rule specifically applied to a race (?) but needs be as needs must, if it means a safer start.

[Hristo Itchov]

I'm against a no-passing rule because sometimes it's inevitable that someone has to pass someone else after the start, be it a bad start, an incident, temporary warp disappearance or whatever.

[bernie]

Bring on the safety car 

[Turkey Machine]

Bad omen Bernie.

I think a "don't attempt an overtake unless you know it'll stick" guide should apply, but a blanket no-passing will be impossible to police unless somebody has an accident on their own.

[FullMetalGasket]

Right, I spent this morning tinkering with the ini (And installing the track on T7 as I hadn't noticed it wasn't there  ) and have increased the spacing to 25 meters between cars.
The first 6 cars will be able to see the flag as will those in 9th and 10th if I remember correctly - If we have a massive entry list the grid might even stretch back past Turn 6 (The tight right hander before the S/F line! ), but this should provide enough spacing that no-one will have an excuse in the event of a T1 pileup 

Given their pre-disposistion for massive T1 incidents I've been doing practice starts wih the AI using the different grids - here's T1 with the normal online grid:

 


And here's T1 with my own extra spread out grid:




I know this is only the AI but going from over half the field down to only 3 cars suggests it should help us in the race 
Be extra cautious in T2 though guys as the braking is even more extreme there 

[Hristo Itchov]

Tim, you're even more sideways than Evil! How is that possible??  

LOL @ the AI! 

[FullMetalGasket]

That was braking/deceleration, I tend to straighten up a bit for acceleration - Evil generally holds a constant angle 

[EvilClive]

That was braking/deceleration, I tend to straighten up a bit for acceleration - Evil generally holds a constant angle 

LMAO,  I had no idea I was that consistant

[bernie]

Could someone please chop that freekin tree down 

[Turkey Machine]

Which one?

[Hristo Itchov]

Could someone please chop that freekin tree down 

I tried a couple of times (unintentionally), but it wouldn't budge.