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  • S21GT Mont-Tremblant: May 01, 2011
May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100 - Mont-Tremblant - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Orange GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 1 1:40.497
94.915mph
1 51:47.395
92.090mph
30 1:40.885
94.549mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Blue GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 3 +1.349
93.657mph
2 +29.757
91.216mph
30 1:42.280
93.260mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Red GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 2 +0.579
94.371mph
3 +35.605
91.046mph
30 1:42.500
93.060mph
Firestone  
jhalli
 Grey GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 5 +2.088
92.983mph
4 +1:04.218
90.225mph
30 1:42.373
93.175mph
Firestone  
Dave Randall
 Orange GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 4 +1.476
93.541mph
5 +1:13.057
89.974mph
30 1:42.925
92.675mph
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 Red GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 7 +2.237
92.848mph
6 +1:35.713
89.338mph
30 1:41.907
93.601mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 Green GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 8 +3.556
91.671mph
7 +1:38.877
89.250mph
30 1:44.067
91.658mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Blue GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 6 +2.133
92.942mph
8 +1L
88.221mph
29 1:42.963
92.641mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 9 +5.221
90.227mph
9 +53.586
86.739mph
29 1:47.084
89.076mph
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Grey GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 11 +6.214
89.387mph
10 +2L
85.885mph
28 1:46.931
89.204mph
Firestone  
happyal
 Blue GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 14 +10.813
85.694mph
11 +3L
81.544mph
27 1:50.820
86.073mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Red GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +8.898
87.194mph
12 (+3) +1:27.721
79.341mph
27 1:51.162
85.808mph
Dunlop  
blito
 Green GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 10 +5.696
89.823mph
13 +4L
86.560mph
26 1:46.098
89.904mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 Orange GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 15 +13.037
84.016mph
14 +4:03.280
79.786mph
26 1:50.408
86.394mph
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Grey GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 13 +10.158
86.201mph
15 +23L
78.095mph
7 1:53.014
84.402mph
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Goodyear  
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Porsche 910 GT 1967 16 DNS ---
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Moderator's Report

This was the first race of our season 21 GT series and the standard of driving was generally quite high, and the rolling start went well
( well, almost well!! see below )

Moderator's comments.

1) Because we are using rolling starts in these races it is important to be sure exactly where you should be when the grid is formed. A quick check to be sure whose car you should be following on the warm up lap is easy, and will automatically solve any glitches with a staggered grid that is not quite perfect in future races.

2) The GT's present a real problem with their lack of decent mirrors and a couple of the incidents in this race were partially down to that fact. I would ask all drivers to bear this in mind in future races.

It was heartwarming to see that almost everyone who took a Shift-R also called at the pits.
What was not quite so warming, was that not all drivers took the 10 second stop stipulated in the rules!!
So, there are some time penalties to be added to a few drivers finishing places.

Hristo was stopped for only 1 second, so attracts a 9x3 = 27 second penalty .

Paul was forced to make a pitstop after his contact with Dave Randall on his last lap but in his eagerness to cross the line ahead of Nigel was stopped for only 8 secs, so attracts a 2x3 = 6second penalty.

Update...........stewards are investigating Tim Vos for completely missing a pitstop.................................. However as he quit, when he realised his ommission, and finished last, he only gets a warning that his future conduct will be scutinised. :o)


Server replay time: 0h02m00s

As Paul has pointed out, Tim should technically not have been in front of him at that point as he had "jumped" a place in the rolling start. Not exactly an excuse to rear end someone, but I suppose he has a point?
In Tim's defence, I think there was a fault with the staggered grid positions , because there is no stagger between Paul and Tim's slots when they line up. They are side by side and Tim might just ( only just!!) be forgiven for simply following the car ( that he could see) in front. BUT!! it would also be reasonable for Tim to KNOW that he qualified behind Paul and be looking for the tail of his Porsche as he moved off the grid?

Vos loses pace at the crest on T1, is consequently slow down the hill and brakes quite early and conservatively for the esses complex. Paul is watching Vos's problems from behind and makes a clean run through T1 carrying more speed. Paul is closing quickly upon Tim at the bottom of the hill and Tim is quite justified in being in the middle of the road. I think Paul might have judged his closing speed and available tarmac a little better. There was a good possibility of making a clean pass down the inside given his greater speed and the better braking of the Porsche? Instead he caught the rear corner of Tim's Ford and spun both cars out.


Server replay time: 0h02m20s

As a result of his contact with Tim Vos entering T2, Paul' Porsche is on the grass and plainly lacking any traction or meaningful directional control. He crosses the track at T2 and is now on the grassy infield trying to get back to the tarmac at T3 via the scenic route.
Whilst Paul and Tim are having their country dancing lessons, Al Baldwin cruises through in his Mirage passing the stricken Tim and avoiding the Porsche crossing the track at T2. However Paul has not given up his chance to cause more mayhem and flashes across the nose of Al's car at T3.
Al might have thought that he had succesfully avoided all of this carnage and lines up his exit from T3, probably quite happy to have picked up 2 places within 200 mtrs.
However, Paul somehow gets enough traction in his Porsche to perform a "U" turn on the outside edge of the track and turns back to produce the perfect road block directly in front of Al who is knocked into a spin.
In the recovering mayhem, Paul manages to perform a half donut in an attempt to get his car facing in the right direction, but only succeeds in hitting the innocent Mr Baldwin again!!??.
I think given his strenuous efforts to obtain this penalty, it would be unfair not to give Paul something!! The initial contact with Tim was a small lapse of judgement and mitigated by the fact that Tim should not really have been there.
However, the Blatant Bad Rejoin(s) inflicted upon Al is deserving of recognition.


Server replay time: 0h08m35s

Hristo makes pit stop after Shift-R but fails to wait 10 seconds
The rules state that all stops after a Shift-R require a 10 second stop in the pit lane.
For each second that the pitstop is under 10 seconds the driver will be penalised x 3.
Only 1 second stationary = 9 seconds short. 9 x 3 = 27 second penalty.


Server replay time: 0h34m28s

The following incident was not reported but is worthy of mention I feel.

34:28 Hristo and Fulvio.

Fulvio is catching Nigel to lap him in his 2F and Hristo is close behind in his Mirage. On the exit of the sharp right after the bridge Fulvio has a slow exit because he is behind Nigel. On the run up to the final turn the extra grunt of Fulvio's 2F powers him past Nigel who has kept to the right hand side. Hristo has taken advantage of the slow exit and is carrying more speed. He also dives past Nigel on the first of gentle right hand curves and finds that Fulvio has run out to the left hand side of the track leaving the door wide open for the inside line on the second right flick. Fulvio is clearly unaware that Hristo is 75% alongside and moves across to his right.
Fulvio is spun out and blows his engine trying to recover forcing him to take Shift-R and a 10 second pitstop.

The poor rear vision in the GT's contributed to this incident. The last time Fulvio saw Hristo's Mirage in his mirror, it was 20+ metres behind him before Fulvio went past Nigel. He did not expect to make contact with a car when he moved to the right. In fact Fulvio might well have assumed that it was Nigel's car that he hit until he saw the replay.
I think this has to go down as a Racing Incident, but is a reminder to everyone that the rearward vision in these cars IS a problem and we need to exercise some caution on all sides

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h51m26s

Dave Randall has caught Paul and is about to lap him at the end of the long straight.
Paul, quite correctly, keeps his car on the outside of the track and off of the racing line, allowing Dave the line through the apex of the corner. Dave takes the right hander and both cars keep carefully to their own side of the track on the short straight to the next left.
Unfortunately, it appears that the poor rearward visibilty in the GT's contributed greatly to this incident. Paul was able to see Dave's car pass him and he could see that Dave would be able to sweep across and take the "racing line" through the left hander. But Dave could not be sure exactly where Paul's Porsche was as it was invisble in his mirrors ( The 2D is particularly poor in this department) and as a result he chooses to play safe and run around the outside of the left turn. This would have worked fine, if he had not put a rear wheel on the grass!! the resultant spin takes him directly across the path of Paul who is following him through the corner and they collide.
Dave recovers the track but loses a place to Hristo, and Paul is forced to perform a Shift-R.
Paul might have afforded Dave a little more space, but to force lapped drivers to make sure they can be seen in the mirrors of the faster car is an impossible ask I think
From Paul's point of view he had allowed Dave the racing line and had done nothing wrong. From Dave's perspective, he has lost a place in trying to pass a backmarker and had tried to make the pass safely without risking any contact and has also done nothing wrong ( except to put a whell on the grass)

Very unfortunate for both drivers, but I think a Racing Incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h52m17s

Badblood performs a shift-R on the last lap and duly goes into the pits to take his 10 second stop. Unfortunately he is only staionary for 8 seconds.
2 x 3 =6 second penalty

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:40.497
94.915mph
FullMetalGasket
Qualifying
Ferrari 330/P4May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100
S21GT
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:40.885
94.549mph
FullMetalGasket
Race
Ferrari 330/P4May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100
S21GT
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« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2011, 04:49:22 PM +0100 »

Towards the end Dave catches me and I take a tight line to let him past but maybe not tight enough. He spins and collects me.

Yes, that was the low point of the race for me, as the result of it was to hand Hristo a gift of another place and the loss of Orange points to Team Red  Sad  After the straight I went for the inside of the right and then looked left on the approach to the tight left hander to still see Paul still there, so I stayed very wide at the next corner but put a wheel on the grass.    Anyway, on checking the replay you gave me plenty of room by the corner entry Paul and I could have taken the usual line safely, so I apologise for the incident.  The left mirror on that 2D leaves a lot to be desired!

Other than that, wasn't too bad, although had a couple of unforced errors.  These cars are a handful aren't they?  Interesting to hear your comments on the braking bug.  I was having problems with this in practise where the car would want to plough straight on even as I was coming off the brakes.  In the end I put even more bias to the rear which seemed to help and was down to 52% in the end.

Had some good laps battling with Juha early on, and then caught him again a bit later and passed him after he had a moment, although he overall had the measure of me and eventually pulled away, especially when I had a few erratic laps which were down to my faltering concentration I think.

Overall good fun and looks promising for a close battle over the season..


 
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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2011, 04:51:51 PM +0100 »

I just 'took one for the team' Dave.  laugh
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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2011, 05:49:39 PM +0100 »

Do you not use FF now H?

Nope, no drivers for my gameport wheel past Windows 98, so the FF does not work properly, especially in GPL.
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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2011, 10:00:04 PM +0100 »

good racing ,it was little suprise of front guys goes so fast there. Good speed Tim and Ferrari !   eek

my of race was only limited to Mirage's limited power , was following close Dave's Chapparal , few error but finally i managed to stay with him and passed when he make small mistakes.It seemed i was faster on corners as he was fast on long straights  Roll Eyes good racing

in the end of the race i thought i was 3rd as Evil have some connection problems or something ?

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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2011, 12:58:29 PM +0100 »

Didn't expect to win in my first proper GT race  Grin

Did a load of practice for this (Although most of it was in the Mk2 Ford  Roll Eyes ) to ensure that both my teamies and I had decent setups for all the cars. I discovered in my practicing that the P4 was a second faster than the 2D but was always expecting H to be given Team Red's 2F and therefore to equal whatever times I managed!
Glad he didn't now  ninja

Practice went very well, I scored a new PB (And as Juha pointed out a WR) on my way to pole, and then did my best to do a smooth job on the rolling start - Hope I did OK there as I'd never done one before and didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the guidelines as I hadn't expected to be pole-man  Embarrassed

I took the first 2-3 race laps quite steady as the P4 is incredibly twitchy on cold tyres, then as I started to gain more feedback and control I increased my pace hoping that the field behind would either be forced to let me run away or would start making mistakes trying to stay with me  Wink

This went excellently until about lap 10 or 11 when I looked at my fuel amount and couldn't work out if I was burning more than I should have - I carried on driving flat out for a lap in order to check my consumption (just over 0.6gal/Lap) and discovered that was near enough what I expected then tried to work out how many laps were left in the tank...
I'm not great at mental arithmatic at the best of times and St Jovite hardly gives you time to concentrate on counting - as a result I was left uncertain as to my range and decided to play it safe and conserve fuel until the fuel numbers/laps remaining were smaller and I could do the maths properly  laugh

At the point I slowed I had over 20 seconds lead from Sam (Although it might just as easily been an invisible clive I guess) so decided I could afford to start shortshifting without loosing much if any ground.
This worked as Sam stayed pretty much level with my times from then on but another comedy attempt at maths on my part resulted in my deciding I needed to conserve more - So I took to coasting into corners where possible and even rolling from the hump all the way to T10!.

This was making a noticable improvement on my fuel consumption although allowing Sam to start to close at upto a second avery 2 laps IIRC.
With 10 to go I finally managed to count high enough and worked out my range was now a few laps more (at .6/lap) than the distance to the flag so re-enganged warp drive and started pulling away again  Grin

May I say a huge well done to everyone I lapped - you all did a great job, especially considering the questionable mirrors in many of the cars!

Well done to Sam and Clive for their podium spots and Good work team Orange - I note we're the early leaders in the championship! Now we just need to stay there  Wink


Can I borrow Sam's Lola aswell please sometime - I have no idea how he finished the race as I always blow them up  wacko
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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2011, 04:55:15 PM +0100 »

The fact that you were coasting in the 1:41's Tim really gives me encouragement <ahem> I was really busting my balls for 1:50's in my Porker - I was knackered at the end. Had a look at the replay as ADM to spot any naught doers and I have definitely found one!

When my penalty points from this one expire I may be able to do 1:40's like you Cheesy

Not only that I managed to put a short stop in so unlike England I'm going to score loads of penalties.... <sigh>

Enjoyed it though lol
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« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2011, 04:00:04 PM +0100 »

I havn't check but I suspect the economy laps were closer to 1:43's Paul!  Cheesy

I still have to thank the fez for the pace as it was over a second quicker in practice for me than any other car  Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2011, 05:57:51 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2011, 12:15:11 AM +0100 »

Thx for having a look at the incident above.
I have only to add that Nigel slowed down to let us by in a difficult place, right on the right bend apex, that caught me unprepared and had to steer left to avoid to rear end him and slow down my pace. Hristo had the time to react better than me and got a better exit. I wouldn't have expected a smart pass as that, so I took my normal line and we collided. I'm sure he would have had another chance to pass me.
Please lapped driver, I'm speaking to myself too, don't slow down in the middle of a turn to let by someone, wait for a bit of straight.
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"The following incident was not reported but is worthy of mention I feel.

34:28 Hristo and Fulvio.

Fulvio is catching Nigel to lap him in his 2F and Hristo is close behind in his Mirage. On the exit of the sharp right after the bridge Fulvio has a slow exit because he is behind Nigel. On the run up to the final turn the extra grunt of Fulvio's 2F powers him past Nigel who has kept to the right hand side. Hristo has taken advantage of the slow exit and is carrying more speed. He also dives past Nigel on the first of gentle right hand curves and finds that Fulvio has run out to the left hand side of the track leaving the door wide open for the inside line on the second right flick. Fulvio is clearly unaware that Hristo is 75% alongside and moves across to his right.
Fulvio is spun out and blows his engine trying to recover forcing him to take Shift-R and a 10 second pitstop.

The poor rear vision in the GT's contributed to this incident. The last time Fulvio saw Hristo's Mirage in his mirror, it was 20+ metres behind him before Fulvio went past Nigel. He did not expect to make contact with a car when he moved to the right. In fact Fulvio might well have assumed that it was Nigel's car that he hit until he saw the replay.
I think this has to go down as a Racing Incident, but is a reminder to everyone that the rearward vision in these cars IS a problem and we need to exercise some caution on all sides"

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« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2011, 01:19:02 PM +0100 »

I dont understand, that it is not known by everybody:

There are VIRTUAL MIRRORS available for every GT.car!
http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6680
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« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2011, 01:25:13 PM +0100 »

"1) Because we are using rolling starts in these races it is important to be sure exactly where you should be when the grid is formed. A quick check to be sure whose car you should be following on the warm up lap is easy, and will automatically solve any glitches with a staggered grid that is not quite perfect in future races."

Sry, that one slipped my attention, now the grid has been corrected.
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« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2011, 01:29:34 PM +0100 »

I dont understand, that it is not known by everybody:

There are VIRTUAL MIRRORS available for every GT.car!
http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6680

I'm using those, but it didn't help, I was focused to keep control of those Chappy's crazy horses  Grin
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