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  • S20A Castle Combe: November 23, 2010
November 23, 2010, 09:48:37 PM +0000 - Castle Combe (1950-98) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Amateurs Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:00.375
109.738mph
1 48:54.587
108.370mph
48 1:00.473
109.561mph
Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.344
109.117mph
2 +17.337
107.734mph
48 1:00.885
108.819mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.435
108.953mph
3 +27.858
107.351mph
48 1:00.878
108.832mph
Dunlop  
Tom van Ostade
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +0.779
108.340mph
4 +46.983
106.663mph
48 1:01.242
108.185mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +0.701
108.479mph
5 +1L
106.083mph
47 1:01.351
107.993mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +0.764
108.367mph
6 +3.085
105.972mph
47 1:01.079
108.474mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +0.986
107.975mph
7 +2L
103.504mph
46 1:01.428
107.857mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 13 +1.765
106.621mph
8 +5.648
103.306mph
46 1:02.354
106.255mph
Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 14 +2.565
105.266mph
9 +28L
103.592mph
20 1:02.794
105.511mph
Disco
Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 2 +0.200
109.376mph
10 +32L
106.549mph
16 1:01.254
108.164mph
Disco
Dunlop  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 6 +0.635
108.596mph
11 +15.951
104.868mph
16 1:02.058
106.762mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Baab
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +0.530
108.783mph
12 +33L
104.783mph
15 1:01.733
107.324mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +0.992
107.964mph
13 +39L
99.593mph
9 1:02.162
106.584mph
Disco
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 +3.065
104.437mph
14 +46L
88.798mph
2 1:09.694
95.065mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +0.794
108.314mph
15 +47L
83.470mph
1 1:06.345
99.864mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 16 16 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Castle Combe started with some very close competition until Tom was forced to back off due to technical issues, after a lengthly Chase this eventually allowed Hristo to sneak off and take the win.

It is perhaps of little suprise that the days only reported incident was care of the notorious Avon Rise-Quarry Corner complex.

Goran wins the 'Lead Balloon' award for his car's acrobatics and refusal to die throughout the event - Everyone else simply gets to keep however much hay they can pull out of their radiators after the event.


Server replay time: 0h42m26s

Phil makes room for Tom to lap him entering the Start/Finish straight, this slows him and allows Goran to catch up and draw alongside through Folly.
Goran runs wide onto the grass and is prevented from cleanly passing Phil on the climb to Avon Rise but is still alongside, although he does not achieve 100% overlap by turn in point.
Goran has managed to keep well to the left on his approach to the Rise and Phil has likewise kept to the right as he knows Goran has to be alongside.
Although he attempts to leave Goran room inside Phil misjudges his track position and instead pulls across into Goran.
Neither driver has lost control but also neither driver can see their opponent until the moment of contact itself.

After great consideration I have decided to rule that this was a Racing incident as both drivers can be considered at fault for the incident to some degree - thankfully both were also able to continue and the indident didn't have an outcome on either of the drivers final race positions...

This is a classic example of the GPL blindspot coming into play and the additional caution that needs to be applied when you can't see your opponent. My advice would be to play extra safe in uncertain situations such as this, as the overtaking car Goran might have decided to back off and try again next lap - but by the same token Phil could have chosen to back off to take an even wider line and in that way allowed Goran to take the corner.
Off course this is far easier to say after the event!

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« Reply #105 on: December 11, 2010, 01:05:54 PM +0000 »

The best place to let someone through remains on the exit of corners, with the backmarker taking the inside line and opening the ideal line, though I agree it compromises their pace at that moment.
Yes that is exactly what happened in this case.  I took an inside line on the exit of the final turn to allow Tom (who was lapping me) a free run on the racing line.  However I was a little too accommodating and pulled over too early, consequently we were well past the start line and almost at the turn in point for T1 before Tom got past.  So I couldn't start accelerating before the turn in point for T1 which compromised my speed massively.  By then Goran (who I was racing with) had a clear run out of the final turn, the draft from Tom down the finish straight and was all over me by the time we got to Avon Rise.  You would need to look at the replay yourself to see what I mean.

Goran did nothing wrong, the situation only arose because I moved over too early (incidentally I hadn't been shown a blue flag before I moved over) and Tom was not held up at all.  So all I'm saying (which is really for you Hristo given that you are the one most likely to be lapping me Wink) is that next time I would have kept my to racing line and only yielded when I wasn't going to compromise my own race.

The trouble is, the best way to avoid compromising my own race is to allow the leaders past under braking which is much more dangerous.  Compromising my exit speed is not the thing to do in the 65s.  I'll try to let you by on the exit to corners but if you are really close should I risk moving to the inside line or should I stick to the racing line?  I expect you would prefer me to stick to the racing line.
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« Reply #106 on: December 11, 2010, 06:44:51 PM +0000 »

The best place to let someone through remains on the exit of corners, with the backmarker taking the inside line and opening the ideal line, though I agree it compromises their pace at that moment.
Yes that is exactly what happened in this case.  I took an inside line on the exit of the final turn to allow Tom (who was lapping me) a free run on the racing line.  However I was a little too accommodating and pulled over too early, consequently we were well past the start line and almost at the turn in point for T1 before Tom got past.  So I couldn't start accelerating before the turn in point for T1 which compromised my speed massively.  By then Goran (who I was racing with) had a clear run out of the final turn, the draft from Tom down the finish straight and was all over me by the time we got to Avon Rise.  You would need to look at the replay yourself to see what I mean.

Goran did nothing wrong, the situation only arose because I moved over too early (incidentally I hadn't been shown a blue flag before I moved over) and Tom was not held up at all.  So all I'm saying (which is really for you Hristo given that you are the one most likely to be lapping me Wink) is that next time I would have kept my to racing line and only yielded when I wasn't going to compromise my own race.

The trouble is, the best way to avoid compromising my own race is to allow the leaders past under braking which is much more dangerous.  Compromising my exit speed is not the thing to do in the 65s.  I'll try to let you by on the exit to corners but if you are really close should I risk moving to the inside line or should I stick to the racing line?  I expect you would prefer me to stick to the racing line.

Oh, well the trick with taking the inside line on exits to let someone through is only really useful in slower corners where there is heavy acceleration out of the corner. I wouldn't suggest it for fast corners and flat out kinks. I agree it's best you keep the line and speed, and maybe just lift off a bit when the leading car goes off the line to make a move. I never liked when a backmarker would slow down on a straight or a fast corner while they're still ahead of me, or worse - change direction when I'm just behind them.

As for letting them past under braking, if you just keep your line and normal braking point (and braking effort), then the leading car has no right to object in case you happen to brake a bit earlier or carry a bit less speed, they should anticipate that and either make a move if they're close enough, or just slot behind you. The only issue with this is when there is a vast difference in speed, but that would only be the case if we run a mixed grid of Amateurs and Novices. The important thing is not to panic and to keep your eyes on the road rather than on your mirrors, and just drive normally.

Again though, it depends on the situation and it's always slightly different every time, so it's important to be as much aware as possible of what's going on around you.
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