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  • S20Gr Kyalami: January 23, 2011
January 23, 2011, 09:52:16 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Works
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:19.236
115.611mph
1 49:35.766
113.901mph
37 1:19.730
114.895mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +0.610
114.728mph
2 +20.981
113.103mph
37 1:19.718
114.912mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 6 +1.162
113.940mph
3 +39.031
112.426mph
37 1:20.545
113.732mph
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 5 +0.780
114.484mph
4 +44.201
112.234mph
37 1:20.535
113.747mph
Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.120
115.437mph
5 +46.696
112.141mph
37 1:20.273
114.118mph
Firestone  
jhalli
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +1.657
113.243mph
6 +56.942
111.762mph
37 1:20.277
114.112mph
Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +1.829
113.003mph
7 +1:00.847
111.618mph
37 1:20.735
113.465mph
Goodyear  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 7 +1.402
113.601mph
8 +1:12.056
111.208mph
37 1:21.219
112.789mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +1.811
113.028mph
9 +1:14.700
111.111mph
37 1:20.634
113.607mph
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 17 +4.937
108.830mph
10 +2L
105.369mph
35 1:23.232
110.061mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.518
114.860mph
11 +16L
112.827mph
21 1:19.923
114.618mph
Disco
Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 +1.909
112.892mph
12 +19L
110.496mph
18 1:21.437
112.487mph
Disco
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +1.566
113.371mph
13 +22L
110.108mph
15 1:21.567
112.307mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +1.959
112.822mph
14 +27L
108.466mph
10 1:21.744
112.064mph
Disco
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 16 +4.618
109.244mph
15 +34L
104.072mph
3 1:23.416
109.818mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 15 +2.332
112.306mph
16 +37L
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Disco
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 14 +2.253
112.415mph
17 DNS ---
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Firestone  
5 UKGPL.67
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 18 18 ---
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Moderator's Report

Only one reported incident involving yours truly (see below)


Server replay time: 0h00m46s

Vos gets a slow start and Sam (legitimately) goes to the left to pass him. Vos tries to go a fraction right to allow room and ends up losing control and spinning right into Rick so ending his race.
Normally this could be considered pure driver error and a racing incident BUT, aside from a bad start, Vos made a conscious error in trying to move over. He should have just kept straight and left it to the overtaking driver to make a clean pass.
Under the circumstances a Warning to make a clean start and avoid any sudden moves is appropriate.

  • vosblod (Vlad Vosblod)warning — Don't make sudden moves that may cause a loss of control at the start

January 24, 2011, 01:11:14 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Privateers
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 2 +0.641
111.648mph
1 51:33.106
109.551mph
37 1:21.915
111.801mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +0.915
111.277mph
2 +27.570
108.583mph
37 1:22.132
111.506mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.259
110.813mph
3 +45.982
107.946mph
37 1:22.942
110.417mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.898
111.300mph
4 +51.248
107.765mph
37 1:22.640
110.820mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.502
110.489mph
5 +52.989
107.706mph
37 1:23.161
110.126mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 6 +2L
100.784mph
35 1:25.616
106.968mph
Firestone  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +5.189
105.783mph
7 +4L
95.053mph
33 1:26.882
105.409mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:21.386
112.528mph
8 +15L
107.382mph
22 1:22.090
111.563mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +9.346
100.937mph
9 +36L
88.598mph
1 1:40.221
91.380mph
accident
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 9 10 DNS ---
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Nice and simple as no reported incidents in this one.

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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2011, 02:01:13 PM +0000 »

Something of a dilemma about which division certain drivers should be in. We do have quite a spread of abilities which is always going to be difficult to allocate across two grids. In an ideal world we could get enough drivers to fill thee grids; fast, not so fast & not very fast at all. But for now it’s two grids.

Steve & Vos would slot in somewhere between the bottom of the Works & top of the Privateers. If they are clearly going to get lapped on grid one & be competitive on grid two then grid two is probably the correct place. In like for like chassis my guess is that Ronnie would still take pole position.

That said Mike T has a fair point about the existing championship table, particularly at the sharp end. Perhaps a suitable compromise would be Steve & Vos finish the season on the Privateers grid but:
a) As guest drivers i.e. they don’t score championship points or
b) Voluntarily taking the slower chassis; maybe Cooper, Honda or BRM.

I think there were on 9 cars on the Privateers grid at Kyalami  – fuller grids do make for better races so we have room to spare. Ultimately, I think most of us do this for fun (pay is lousy)  so we should fit drivers in where they want to race provided an individual is not clearly quicker than the rest of the field.

BTW my comments are made from my perspective as a driver, not part of the moderating team.
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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2011, 02:06:07 PM +0000 »

just enjoy some racing with a chance of the podium

What's that like then Ross? lol

...not very fast at all...

Who did you have in mind Billy?

I wouldn't mind a grid of three or less Cheesy Might get a podium then!

Seriously, I wouldn't mind Vos and Steve moving down - but no points, obviously. Don't think I'd be happy with Clive though - he needs to get that team championship!
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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2011, 02:33:34 PM +0000 »

Big grats Hristo  Shocked ...amazing that after so many years in GPL, you are still too fast  laugh

Wild fun to be back in GPL, although it did not go as planned  Roll Eyes
I got the starting place at number twelve, came up to a seventh place, but on lap 18 engine exploded (Shift-R is allowed on Works server???)...& ending where I started, in twelfth place  Grin
Fuel for 47 laps was not used anyway...maybe I should have taken the Eagle  Undecided

Too bad to hear more maybe move server, I think we had a really nice field with most of the cars presented...slept on it, take the gloves on & see you next race  Cool
This must be a nightmare.."PELLE", "VOLVO"?another Swede???
awwww Danish I just saw..the people who adore Norwegian soccer and lost us to sweden after the napoleon war.Welcome to UKGPL m8 Smiley
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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2011, 02:46:11 PM +0000 »

I was concerned to read that some newly promoted Works drivers want to move back to the Privateers because they are no longer able to dominate the field.
That certainly would not be my motivation for moving, as I say it's a case of wanting to have some fun by having the chance to do some actual racing - at this stage of the season I wouldn't have any kind of look in at the championship. That said, and on reflection, I don't think it's fair to move if any of the Privateers drivers object so I will stay where I am for the rest of S20.
Works is looking a bit top heavy though; 17 drivers versus 9 in Privateers. And NO Clive you can't move Wink

Anyway results uploaded and replays in the usual place, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please. A review of the Privateers shows everyone complied with the single reset rule. I'm not sure of the rules regarding Ronnie's stop though, two wheels were stationary whilst the other two carried on down the road in the hope of continuing to compete. As he retired at this point there's no need to ponder it more.
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2011, 03:13:08 PM +0000 »

Three divisions? Works, Privateeers and 'The Lapped' lol
Only joking I think. There's always going to be some question of how someones form is going to vary year on year and present results seem to bear that out. For example I was enthusiastic about joining HER ranks this year after having a couple of decent drives last season in the white whale, but its not happened for me this season. I can blame lots of things but in the end you get out what you put in. I shall persevere.
On that thought, last nights race followed recent trends. Got home late, 6 mins of qually left, wheel playing up, sort that put race fuel in and get on the grid with default setup. Oh boy who worked out those setups? Took the 1st lap really steady and waited for things to improve as the fuel load went down. Just as laps were getting faster I wiped a wheel off exiting, widely, T2, and was lumbered with full fuel after a Shift R. A stop n go and I was 2 laps down. Oh Misery.
Must find the missus something to do in the evenings so that I have more time to practice.
See you all at the next venue- oh its Kyalami again- what fun. Smiley
ps Paul shall we start a division all our own ?
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2011, 03:20:30 PM +0000 »

You are probably too good for me Cheesy

I am wondering if I might change next season. I just find the Honda too damn difficult to drive. The 65 is fine but the 67 is too much of a handful for me. Not sure any teams would be receptive tho' lol
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2011, 03:27:11 PM +0000 »

This must be a nightmare.."PELLE", "VOLVO"?another Swede???
awwww Danish I just saw..the people who adore Norwegian soccer and lost us to sweden after the napoleon war.Welcome to UKGPL m8 Smiley

Tom do not blaspheme it's Football, not soccer. It's maybe stupid game, but it have a proper name Wink
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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2011, 03:52:35 PM +0000 »

Strange race for me , qually was the usual mediocre event , though I did enjoy the pre race warm up with Ronnie who was flying in that red thing  Smiley Sat on the grid pondering what I could do about the hot shots in front , but soon after the flag dropped I realised the answer was "not a lot " . My set up on race fuel and cold tyres was a real handful early on , I also got pre occupied with watching the lag meter which was going full scale , and was waiting for the impending disco , but I woke up after running wide in the esses and losing a couple of places. After that it was heads down and I really did enjoy the rest of the race which went on at various times with Fabio and Mike. On about lap 20 I was suprised to pass Ronnie as he exited the pits , by the time we both arrived at T1 he was back up to top speed , I kept to the outside line but was even more surprised to find Ronnie sliding across the track in front of me , not sure if we touched , my replay shows not , but it was very close , think there was some warp involved , anyway the outcome was Ronnie going off with Mike and Hannah who were following also getting involved in the debris , luckily we were able to recover but it seems Ronnies Fezzer being made of cheapo Italian metel , got a bit bent causing him further terminal problems . Another hard luck for Ronnie who must be thinking the world is his enemy atm
The 3 Brabbies were pretty evenly matched and we all had the odd off or two but  somehow or other I finished up p2 after Fabio and then Mike made one mistake to many .

Big CONGRATS to my team mate Mike on his podium finish , you really deserved to have been a step higher up mate , wha a great result for the Soggie Bums

Watching the replay I would love to have been one of the fly's inside Ronnies crash helmet , bet they all had six hands over there ears   Grin

As for the above discussion , I will go with the flow , but just to add , its not the first time we've had late joiners in a series , some I recall with painful results. Realistically though it's too late in the season now for any newcomers to really upset the apple cart but I also respect others points of view.

From where I'm sitting right now ,  I dont think I could have much to lose , but of coarse they could take valuable points off the others who are in the championship hunt , then again the bonus could be better and more interesting racing .(well for some anyhow )  
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2011, 03:56:33 PM +0000 »

You are probably too good for me Cheesy

I am wondering if I might change next season. I just find the Honda too damn difficult to drive. The 65 is fine but the 67 is too much of a handful for me. Not sure any teams would be receptive tho' lol

Team Soggy Bottom is a bit light on membership , you would be very welcome if there are no other offers  Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2011, 04:16:26 PM +0000 »

This must be a nightmare.."PELLE", "VOLVO"?another Swede???
awwww Danish I just saw..the people who adore Norwegian soccer and lost us to sweden after the napoleon war.Welcome to UKGPL m8 Smiley

Tom do not blaspheme it's Football, not soccer. It's maybe stupid game, but it have a proper name Wink
I thought football was american football and soccer european football Shocked. Weird I m still confused about this.
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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2011, 04:20:53 PM +0000 »

I thought football was american football and soccer european football Shocked. Weird I m still confused about this.

It's quite simple, just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo - Soccer vs Football  Wink
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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2011, 04:24:14 PM +0000 »

The issue here is that Graduates/Privateers have no handicap system whatsoever. The tokens system is the same for all and the only ones who are actually handicapped are single slower chassis teams like ours. This is evident from all our drivers positions in the championships, including myself (was 4th or 5th before this race). Even though, by using top cars, drivers have to use a BRM once or twice during a season, it's not enough to equalize the difference and therefore they still have an overall advantage.

Apart from having 3 divisions, which seems impossible atm, how about either tweaking the tokens system so fields are more varied and top cars are used less often, or we use some sort of a handicap system like the one in Historic where top championship drivers can only drive the slower cars. We could even use the Amateurs system (which I'm against normally) because it would, at least over the course of a season, allow slower drivers to be consistently challenging faster ones, race after race. The choice of cars would have to be very well thought out of course.

@Nige - I don't understand why you used the default setup. ANY user made setup is better than that, so you should never ever rely on default setups. Apart from some mods and tracks, default setups are simply too bad.

As for my race, it was very difficult, especially in Qualifying. I was doing near flat 19s in practice before the race, but couldn't quite put in a lap to get there during the event. Had a final go in the last minute of the session and just managed to snatch it away from Tom.

I was having a lot of reservations for the race, expecting to be passed early on by all those Lotuses, but something must have happened at the start and on lap 1, because I was leading comfortably in front of Tim and nobody else in sight behind him. Tim seemed to be taking it easy early on and so did I as a result, trying not to overheat the tires and the engine too soon.

My consistency was quite OK, even though I had some near-offs in T1 from too late braking. For some reason I always have problems braking for T1 in races, the brakes never have enough force to lock the wheels with more fuel. Eventually the gap grew gradually up to 3 seconds and stayed there for many laps, until Tim finally dropped further back and gave me enough room to stop worrying about him.

Grats all who finished, see you next race.

P.S. And just to add something to the above discussion of driver divisions. It is definitely much tougher these days than in the past, because there are clusters of drivers of very close ability. This requires a lot more practice and preparation, and conscious effort to improve race by race. Otherwise you fall behind. Even I, who would normally not practice in the past few seasons, am forced to put in a couple of hours for each race. For example, had I not done that for this race, I would've probably finished 4th or 5th. So before considering moving down or changing rules, ask yourself if you're really doing your best to prepare for races. You can't expect to keep up with someone who practices more than you (in both divisions) and is simply better prepared.
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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2011, 04:32:00 PM +0000 »

@Nige - I don't understand why you used the default setup. ANY user made setup is better than that, so you should never ever rely on default setups. Apart from some mods and tracks, default setups are simply too bad.

Something which might help here is that you can alter the default setup. Border Reiver on SRMZ says

"once you find a good base setup that suits you for any particular chassis, in any particular mod, you can make that your personal default by copying the setup, renaming it to match the default naming convention for that mod, (setupXX.yy1 for example) and then putting the file into the gpl/setup/setupXX folder that corresponds to that mod. That way, if you select default from the drop down menu for any track you will get your personal default settings and only then need to tweak the gears, cambers and pressures a bit perhaps to get something that will be familiar to you straight away and without having to scroll through a long list of tracks to copy your favourite settings from somewhere else"

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http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6556&st=0&p=58656&#entry58656

I didn't know this but will probably give it a go when I've finally found the ultimate setup for the BT7 Wink
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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2011, 04:36:50 PM +0000 »

Good idea, Gilles, I've never thought of it. Alternatively and maybe more precise is just to copy a setup you've already used and liked from another track, preferably from a similar track in terms of layout characteristics.
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« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2011, 04:40:47 PM +0000 »

Good idea, Gilles, I've never thought of it. Alternatively and maybe more precise is just to copy a setup you've already used and liked from another track, preferably from a similar track in terms of layout characteristics.

Yeah that is what most people do I think. The problem with overriding the default setup is that your base setup is constantly evolving and so the default could become out of date.

Having looked at some of your BT7 setups H it seems that way for you so what hope for the rest of us? Smiley I guess there is no such thing as perfect setup anyway.
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