UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65) - Anderstorp (GP) - Feb 8

[karlisss]

[Blito starts to spin exiting T1 but catches it.
Just as he does so Karliss hits him and spins him around
Despite being warned about taking care at T1 in Kyalami, Karliss takes risks off the line again and drives straight to the middle of the track.
Even when Blito's skid starts to develop in front of him karliss is still accelerating and does not leave himself enough space to react.]

sounds like from some comentators page.
1.i did perfest fast start, thats why i raced in midle of track, cos car in front me was to slow in start!
2.in T1 i raced fast + were i can to avoid collisions with other cars.

3.if i hit someone who spins infront of me, how do i know when to take shft+r with SnG or without SnG....
(in this case i had no place to go)
crash was caused not by me and i didnt take shift+R!!!

4.WHAT TO DO? brake? and wait until i will be rearended by car behind me?
i tried to avoid, BUT, if i would avoid MORE, then i would spin myself and cause a HUGE accident with cars behind me.
and then i would be a blame person.

ps
i still dont understund why before penalizing no one dont ask your opinion. rules are rules but them also are flexible by situation, like in every sport.

albi i will quaalify midle and after green will wait untill all cars will pass me by
what kindergarden starts you talking about?

ps2
in mosport you penalized me just for nothing. for server replay LAG... and penalty is still there. this is not very inspiring.
i am angry.

[Hristo Itchov]

Karlisss, you cannot race like you're alone on the track and go at maximum speed after the start given the close proximity of all cars around you. You have to allow for any possible mistakes and account for the lack of vision of the drivers ahead of you, who are often too focused on what's going on around them to look in the mirrors. In fact, it's unsafe to look at your mirrors right after the start, so it's up to the cars behind to be predictable and maintain a safe gap, unless they're certain that going for a pass is a relatively safe thing to do. And of course, there's the ever present threat of warp contact...

You can't also drive through someone who made a mistake and lost control of the car, unless you have no other choice. The race is never won on lap 1 and if you're fast enough to make up any positions, you can do so in the following laps once the field spreads out a little. I haven't looked at the replay for this particular situation, but reading about it in Tim's moderation report, I can pretty much imagine what happened and I agree with his decision about whose fault it is.

As an example of a situation where it was impossible to do anything about avoiding the car in front which spun, you can check the GT race at Monza - Lesmo 2 on lap 1, with Martin spinning right in front of me. I had nowhere to go so we collided. But I assume there was a gap in your case and yet you never lifted up to try and slow down, as if Blito's car was not there at all.

[Ronniepeterson]

As someone who was responsible for the carnage at the start of the race at Imola after what I thought, at the time, was an excellent get off the line prepared to those ahead of me, I feel your pain.

The mods see things we don't. But more importantly, while fair and impartial, just like Judge Dread, the Mods are THE LAW! Just be grateful they did not put you into Iso-Cube 666!

Obviously if your not a 2000AD fan this will all be meaningless.

[Hristo Itchov]

He can always file an appeal and submit his own version of the events and client replay, so I wouldn't say they are "THE LAW", lol. If there's anyone who can confirm this, it's me, as I've had quite a number of arguments with mods and they really do listen. Otherwise I would've given up on UKGPL long ago...

[karlisss]

what means:
1 place lost (plus 2 for penalty points)
what are penalty points?
is it not enaugh 1 place lost....
how can be hiting one spining car 8place lost? (p8 +8 = 16!!! BUT race entires was 13... so who will be infront of me?  EMPTY SPACE)
so no point to race after unsuccesful T1 in race?

[Hristo Itchov]

It means you already had penalty (yellow) points from being at fault in previous races and those add up towards your new penalties.

[Podkrecony_Ziutek]

ps
i still dont understund why before penalizing no one dont ask your opinion. rules are rules but them also are flexible by situation, like in every sport.

Actually, you're asked to put your version of incident In PM about this incident, there's a button witch send you to a place where you can write your version of what happened

[karlisss]

It means you already had penalty (yellow) points from being at fault in previous races and those add up towards your new penalties.

so how can i clear up all P-points?

Actually, you're asked to put your version of incident Wink In PM about this incident, there's a button witch send you to a place where you can write your version of what happened Wink

thanks

and i cant find where to read sporting regulations.
only i see sentence about shift+r by fault or no fault...

[Podkrecony_Ziutek]

so how can i clear up all P-points?

You can't, You need to wait till they expire. In your case last one will expire in 21 November 2011 - https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile&u=1902&sa=racing_history&driver=1902#aliases

and i cant find where to read sporting regulations.
only i see sentence about shift+r by fault or no fault...

In this PM you should find this:

"To submit your own report on this incident (if you have not already done so)" - next to it, there should be a link

[Hristo Itchov]

In case you don't know, Karlisss, PM means private message. You can check those in your Profile, from the menu at the top, where it says My Messages. You should have received such PMs for each incident that you got involved in.

[Artiglietti]

Well no, thats not necessarily the case. I received a notice for incidents investigated about me only in the case it had been another driver filing the report. For instance, I didnt have any notice both for the penalty I received in zandvoort and the 2 I received in Ccombe, just got a notice there was something about me when the report had been put out. I suppose its something to do with the fact races in the novs are moderated in full.

[karlisss]

In case you don't know, Karlisss, PM means private message. You can check those in your Profile, from the menu at the top, where it says My Messages. You should have received such PMs for each incident that you got involved in.

i know that, but problem is that allways this message arrives with changed results (penalty or no penalty)
what i ment was: message with incident involving, and then i can explain my point etc, and after admin decides is there a penalty or no. but now situation is like this:
1.i had an incident (in race heat i think i am clear), for me there is no reason to inform admin. (right?)
2.i recieve mesage, that i am involved in incident and i was guilty and have given Penalty points

i think there should be 1,5.. when i have oportunity to explain or defiet my view, before penalizing. cos i reeded this
No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty

[Hristo Itchov]

Hmm, I didn't know that, I thought you always get a PM whenever an incident involving you is being moderated. I guess we'll have to wait for an answer by a mod.

[miner2049er]

It is me that did the moderation Karliss, not Tim so aim any points at me.

Firstly, to say you were totally surprised and the first thing you knew about it was the penalty points is not strictly true. You hit somebody in a race and took a SHIFT R so surely you expect something to happen?

All drivers in Novices are expected to submit reports for all incidents they are involved in, but if they do not, I will almost certainly see the incident anyway. If a driver reports an incident that driver A,B,C and D were involved in, then drivers A,B,C and D will all get a private message telling them an incident they were involved in is being investigated. This gives them the chance to submit their evidence.

If driver A and driver B are involved in an incident but neither report it, then neither will get a message, and in any other division the incident will perhaps never come to light, but in Novices the whole replay is moderated and the moderator will see the incident and investigate it, perhaps penalising either driver A, driver B or both. that is not unfair at all. Both should have reported it and put their case forward beforehand.

The lesson to learn here is to submit a report for any incident you are involved in, no matter how minor it may be.

As for your flying start, I always stress to drivers that the first corner or half lap sometimes is the most risky time when racing online, and the lag is always higher at this time when cars are close together. You should always be prepared to keep in the grid formation and your own side of the track until after T1 if necessary, and in our next race at Albi, you will see I have advised all drivers to take care through T1 and again at DD which is halfway into the lap but all cars will be arriving there at full speed and bunching up again.

You can't win the race in T1 but you can certainly lose it in T1, and not just for yourself. Some leagues even have a rolling start with no passing until a certain point to avoid the risk of collision off the line. If drivers act responsibly and safely off the line there is no need for this but you must be careful when starting, as if you collide with somebody after moving to the middle of the track you will almost certainly be penalised.

[Hristo Itchov]

Sorry, Mike, of course it's not Tim, my mistake.