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  • S20GrP Jarama: February 20, 2011
February 20, 2011, 10:47:08 PM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Works
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:26.502
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1 48:23.551
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33 1:26.728
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Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +1.795
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2 +54.422
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33 1:28.104
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Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.522
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3 +54.619
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33 1:27.292
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Firestone  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +1.550
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4 +58.531
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33 1:28.182
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Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +2.798
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5 +1:21.583
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33 1:28.809
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Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +2.838
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6 +1L
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32 1:30.207
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +3.217
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7 +19.896
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32 1:29.903
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Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +4.433
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8 +41.343
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32 1:30.756
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Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.578
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9 +2L
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31 1:29.743
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +4.820
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10 +2.359
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31 1:30.742
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +6.769
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11 +19L
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14 1:33.077
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Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +4.704
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12 +28L
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5 1:31.740
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Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A bit of a thriller with Pelle fighting his way from the back to finish second (but see below). It all goes down to the wire in the final race.
One general issue; we had some cases of what could be deemed corner cutting with a possible view to overtaking. There are no specific rules on this at present, although one may be in the pipeline, but corner cutting is not something we encourage. It can give an unfair advantage and can also be dangerous. By corner cutting I don't mean just a couple of wheels astray.


Server replay time: 0h02m56s

Pelle is following John and appears to try and overtake by going off track at the corner. A collision with John then ensues.
This falls under the following;

Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver.

However warp may be a factor in this as the server does not show direct contact, although a collision probably would have happened anyway, and Pelle came out worse by losing places.
Accordingly the penalty will stand but with a Warning only.


Server replay time: 0h02m57s

Please see the notes above regarding corner cutting. We disable checkpoints for online races as GPL can be a little temperamental in applying it. However, under normal circumstances, Pelle would have been black flagged and made to pit. Accordingly, a 20 second time penalty is also being applied in recognition of this.

February 21, 2011, 11:46:37 AM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Privateers
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:29.342
85.114mph
1 51:39.282
80.967mph
33 1:31.004
83.559mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +3.099
82.260mph
2 +4.895
80.839mph
33 1:31.627
82.991mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +2.773
82.551mph
3 +27.493
80.255mph
33 1:31.558
83.054mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +2.725
82.594mph
4 (+1) +1L
78.205mph
32 1:31.590
83.024mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +6.415
79.412mph
5 +34.026
77.359mph
32 1:33.320
81.485mph
Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +4.227
81.269mph
6 +54.033
76.870mph
32 1:36.030
79.186mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +4.656
80.898mph
7 +1:22.404
76.187mph
32 1:34.291
80.646mph
Goodyear  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +7.501
78.521mph
8 +1:25.684
76.109mph
32 1:35.195
79.880mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 9 +22.000
68.296mph
9 +7L
61.585mph
26 1:43.925
73.170mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 12 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A win for Ronnie is lining things up for a thrilling season finale. Two reported incidents in this one.


Server replay time: 0h36m48s

Mike is following Hannah but is keeping at a reasonable distance. Hannah loses control going into the armco and off the racing line. Whilst not completely coming to a halt he does immediately carry on straight back onto the line in the corner. Mike has slowed considerably but does carry on.
The only scenario that seems to fit this is a Bad Rejoin. Knowing he had lost control and knowing there was traffic close behind he really should have taken time to check he could safely carry on. Can this be considered to be a 'rejoin' as he didn't actually leave the track as such by virtue of the armco. Well yes in that he was off the main tarmac.
This would appear to be the scenario;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver was NOT in full control but nevertheless attempted to drive straight back onto the racing line without any consideration for other drivers and contact was made.

However I do feel there is some mitigation in this case. Firstly perhaps Mike should have been a little more cautious in that Hannah was not completely off track and it could expected, not having come to a complete halt, he would have continued. Also whilst yes it is a bad rejoin it doesn't fit the normal scenario of completely going off and then rejoining. Lastly, it is clear Hannah was not completely in control and had not come to a halt so it could be said he was still trying to correct himself when the collision happened rather then deliberately attempting to get back onto the racing line.

Under these circumstances I am going to call this a racing incident but with advice to Hannah to do everything possible to stay clear if you have lost control and advice to Mike to be extra cautious if someone has lost control into a barrier but not come to a halt, you can't predict what will happen.


Server replay time: 0h44m08s

Following an earlier collision Fabio is left on track facing the wrong way. Hannah has gone off slightly further back, possibly from losing control trying to avoid the incident ahead. Hannah was facing the right way and moved off before Fabio. Fabio could, or should, have seen Hannah move as he was facing towards him. It is irrelevant whether Hannah had already been lapped as he clearly had, for want of a better term, the 'right of way'. Fabio then turned across directly into Hannah causing the incident.

This clearly is a bad rejoin as Fabio had come to a complete halt and was in control of what he was doing. I do not consider it 'appalling' as it cannot be said Fabio was actually trying to rejoin onto the racing line so the rules have this;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver drove straight back onto the track, but not the racing line, without checking for other cars and contact was made.

However I am again going to allow some mitigation here. The reason being is that I think we should allow for an element of confusion ie they are both off/out and both naturally want to restart but it happens to be at the same time. However the onus was clearly on Fabio to wait as he was facing completely the wrong way. Accordingly the standard 2 place penalty has been reduced to 1.

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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2011, 08:58:09 AM +0000 »

Just so you can understand the gulf -people are grumbling that they can't get below 1:27 - I can't do better than a 1:45 and after six laps I had to stop because I got a violent bout of motion sickness! I know I am not being brave enough about what is possible and so the tyres aren't warming up so there is no grip so I am being cautious etc etc - Catch 1:45 you could say.

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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2011, 12:16:01 PM +0000 »

Wow 1:27.7 is fast. I got the Cooper down to 1:28.1 but that's about it for me I think. Will be interesting to see what the others do.

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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2011, 12:43:20 PM +0000 »

I'm in the 30's and staying there, doubt I'll get any more than that.  See you all at T1  Kiss
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2011, 03:49:47 PM +0000 »

After a quick practice last night, I'm finding it very difficult to find an ideal setup for the Brabham. The nose keeps on understeering and the back end gets very nervous whenever I try to put the power down. It the moment, my best time is a 1:30 dead, a few tenths off my time in the BRM  Sad. This is going to be long race!
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2011, 06:25:28 PM +0000 »

After a quick practice last night, I'm finding it very difficult to find an ideal setup for the Brabham. The nose keeps on understeering and the back end gets very nervous whenever I try to put the power down. It the moment, my best time is a 1:30 dead, a few tenths off my time in the BRM  Sad. This is going to be long race!

I have a good proven Brabham setup in my pack. It won me a league race in oAo and with that, the title. From memories, it was very consistent over the race distance, so give it a go if you want.
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2011, 07:44:48 PM +0000 »

I have a good proven Brabham setup in my pack.

I can only see Honda setups for Jarama in your pack Hristo, that Brabham setup would be very useful if its available?
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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2011, 09:25:59 PM +0000 »

I have a good proven Brabham setup in my pack.

I can only see Honda setups for Jarama in your pack Hristo, that Brabham setup would be very useful if its available?

I would need that one too...
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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2011, 09:30:01 PM +0000 »

Hmm, OK, I'll look for them in my old GPL folder and update the pack if I find them. It's been 3 and a half years since I had that race...

EDIT: OK, found the setups and added them to the pack. Also added my current Honda qualifying setup. I'll try to do a guide tomorrow, but it's probably going to have a replay lap recorded rather than live driving. I find it very difficult to do a fast lap of this track while recording and having the steering wheel visual turned on (I have it turned off normally).
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« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2011, 10:04:25 PM +0000 »

Thanks Hristo, much appreciated. Good luck with it as well Fabio.
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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2011, 10:26:23 PM +0000 »

Is this really a kart track- it's tight enough!
Just had 20 laps practice, the best being 1:35. Lots of broadsliding into those tightening corners and wild fishtailing coming out [need more clutches!]. But it seems to be quickest, smooth doesn't work here for me. 10 secs a lap behind the fast boys means being lapped after 8 1/2 laps ?. Good job we have our Private[er]s slot.
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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2011, 10:36:26 PM +0000 »

I find that my fastest times come from very neat, very tidy laps, without going too wide, but carrying a lot of speed into corners and accelerating early. A very difficult thing to achieve, but mandatory for the race to avoid cooking the tires. Even 1 or 2 bigger slides seem to eventually lead to bad overheating at the rears, especially on the left side. That said, I have to make my setup quite responsive (aka loose) to produce a fast time, so it becomes a matter of controlling the available "looseness" and only using it in some corners where you benefit from it.
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« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2011, 10:51:46 PM +0000 »

Very challenging track & I can't see me finishing without a few trips to the scenery.

Fairly happy with my BT24 set up which is behaving quite nicely but due to my limited ability is around the 1.35 mark. Happy to share this if anyone is interested - send me an e-mail address by PM.

 
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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2011, 08:27:41 PM +0000 »

Very challenging track & I can't see me finishing without a few trips to the scenery.

Fairly happy with my BT24 set up which is behaving quite nicely but due to my limited ability is around the 1.35 mark. Happy to share this if anyone is interested - send me an e-mail address by PM.

 
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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2011, 08:29:52 PM +0000 »

Thanks Hristo, much appreciated. Good luck with it as well Fabio.

Thx H,
I will try it ASAP!
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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2011, 11:40:53 PM +0000 »

Uploaded a lap, now writing the guide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo56Jb4ZLjk

Will update this post later when the guide's done.

Here it is! GPL Track Guide and Onboard Lap of Jarama
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