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February 20, 2011, 10:47:08 PM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Works
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:26.502
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1 48:23.551
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33 1:26.728
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Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +1.795
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2 +54.422
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33 1:28.104
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Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.522
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3 +54.619
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33 1:27.292
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Firestone  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +1.550
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4 +58.531
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33 1:28.182
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Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +2.798
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5 +1:21.583
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33 1:28.809
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Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +2.838
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6 +1L
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32 1:30.207
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +3.217
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7 +19.896
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32 1:29.903
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Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +4.433
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8 +41.343
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32 1:30.756
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Firestone  
Samb
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Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.578
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9 +2L
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31 1:29.743
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +4.820
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10 +2.359
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31 1:30.742
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +6.769
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11 +19L
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14 1:33.077
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Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +4.704
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12 +28L
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5 1:31.740
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Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 DNS ---
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Moderator's Report

A bit of a thriller with Pelle fighting his way from the back to finish second (but see below). It all goes down to the wire in the final race.
One general issue; we had some cases of what could be deemed corner cutting with a possible view to overtaking. There are no specific rules on this at present, although one may be in the pipeline, but corner cutting is not something we encourage. It can give an unfair advantage and can also be dangerous. By corner cutting I don't mean just a couple of wheels astray.


Server replay time: 0h02m56s

Pelle is following John and appears to try and overtake by going off track at the corner. A collision with John then ensues.
This falls under the following;

Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver.

However warp may be a factor in this as the server does not show direct contact, although a collision probably would have happened anyway, and Pelle came out worse by losing places.
Accordingly the penalty will stand but with a Warning only.


Server replay time: 0h02m57s

Please see the notes above regarding corner cutting. We disable checkpoints for online races as GPL can be a little temperamental in applying it. However, under normal circumstances, Pelle would have been black flagged and made to pit. Accordingly, a 20 second time penalty is also being applied in recognition of this.

February 21, 2011, 11:46:37 AM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Privateers
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:29.342
85.114mph
1 51:39.282
80.967mph
33 1:31.004
83.559mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +3.099
82.260mph
2 +4.895
80.839mph
33 1:31.627
82.991mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +2.773
82.551mph
3 +27.493
80.255mph
33 1:31.558
83.054mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +2.725
82.594mph
4 (+1) +1L
78.205mph
32 1:31.590
83.024mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +6.415
79.412mph
5 +34.026
77.359mph
32 1:33.320
81.485mph
Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +4.227
81.269mph
6 +54.033
76.870mph
32 1:36.030
79.186mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +4.656
80.898mph
7 +1:22.404
76.187mph
32 1:34.291
80.646mph
Goodyear  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +7.501
78.521mph
8 +1:25.684
76.109mph
32 1:35.195
79.880mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 9 +22.000
68.296mph
9 +7L
61.585mph
26 1:43.925
73.170mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 12 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A win for Ronnie is lining things up for a thrilling season finale. Two reported incidents in this one.


Server replay time: 0h36m48s

Mike is following Hannah but is keeping at a reasonable distance. Hannah loses control going into the armco and off the racing line. Whilst not completely coming to a halt he does immediately carry on straight back onto the line in the corner. Mike has slowed considerably but does carry on.
The only scenario that seems to fit this is a Bad Rejoin. Knowing he had lost control and knowing there was traffic close behind he really should have taken time to check he could safely carry on. Can this be considered to be a 'rejoin' as he didn't actually leave the track as such by virtue of the armco. Well yes in that he was off the main tarmac.
This would appear to be the scenario;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver was NOT in full control but nevertheless attempted to drive straight back onto the racing line without any consideration for other drivers and contact was made.

However I do feel there is some mitigation in this case. Firstly perhaps Mike should have been a little more cautious in that Hannah was not completely off track and it could expected, not having come to a complete halt, he would have continued. Also whilst yes it is a bad rejoin it doesn't fit the normal scenario of completely going off and then rejoining. Lastly, it is clear Hannah was not completely in control and had not come to a halt so it could be said he was still trying to correct himself when the collision happened rather then deliberately attempting to get back onto the racing line.

Under these circumstances I am going to call this a racing incident but with advice to Hannah to do everything possible to stay clear if you have lost control and advice to Mike to be extra cautious if someone has lost control into a barrier but not come to a halt, you can't predict what will happen.


Server replay time: 0h44m08s

Following an earlier collision Fabio is left on track facing the wrong way. Hannah has gone off slightly further back, possibly from losing control trying to avoid the incident ahead. Hannah was facing the right way and moved off before Fabio. Fabio could, or should, have seen Hannah move as he was facing towards him. It is irrelevant whether Hannah had already been lapped as he clearly had, for want of a better term, the 'right of way'. Fabio then turned across directly into Hannah causing the incident.

This clearly is a bad rejoin as Fabio had come to a complete halt and was in control of what he was doing. I do not consider it 'appalling' as it cannot be said Fabio was actually trying to rejoin onto the racing line so the rules have this;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver drove straight back onto the track, but not the racing line, without checking for other cars and contact was made.

However I am again going to allow some mitigation here. The reason being is that I think we should allow for an element of confusion ie they are both off/out and both naturally want to restart but it happens to be at the same time. However the onus was clearly on Fabio to wait as he was facing completely the wrong way. Accordingly the standard 2 place penalty has been reduced to 1.

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« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2011, 10:12:10 AM +0000 »

Well, that was embarrassing. With what was quite possibly my worst drive in UKGPL, I finished a dismal 9th, 2 laps down. Truth was I never really got to grips with the Brabham around here, and have found it to be particularly tricky when fat on fuel throughout my races with it. Still, my qualifying time was decent enough but it all came to nought when I spun again and again. At one point I lost the rear and missed Al by the slightest of margins, ploughing straight into the barrier. With all 4 wheels, amazingly, still attached to the car, I soldiered on, lapping a good 3-4 seconds off the pace with a slightly damaged engine. Finally made it to the flag, just ahead of John.

Well, at least I made it to the flag which has occurred far too rarely for my liking this season. Congrats to H, Pelle and Tom. Terrific pace up front.
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« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2011, 10:54:55 AM +0000 »

Hehe Sam. I lost it so many times I was clearly on 'Spin only' setting. Should have chosen 'Synthetics' lol!
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« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2011, 02:07:41 PM +0000 »

I hope I did the right thing in carrying on - I seem to recall that the advice in a DQ situation is to continue and let those clever mods sort out the final positions.
Can you bung in an incident report about that. We can have a look and reinstate you if needed.
Actually don't worry Mike I've had a look and put you back in, seems the server didn't like you being stuck behind that barrier.

Anyway results uploaded and replays will be found in the usual places, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please. A review of the Privateers shows everyone complied with the single reset rule.
I haven't done the maths but, subject to moderation, it looks like neither Tommie or Bernie are in the clear so it will go down to the final race in both divisions.
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« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2011, 03:18:40 PM +0000 »

Interesting. I didn't disco - but I did spin lol. Not sure why it shows disco as I limped past the chequered flag but it makes no difference. 6 points one way or the other. Need 20 at Monza for the century. Maybe  Undecided

More importantly, Ronnie needs a win but Bernie can take it if he comes second, whatever Ronnie does. If Ronnie wins and Bernie is third or worse, its Ronnie's. I will be reasonably competetive at Monza and I have nothing to lose so as a very difficult to pass back marker, I will await stuffed envelopes from either of them  Wink

Good luck to both of them, they have been a class apart.
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« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2011, 03:47:12 PM +0000 »

@ Pelle

If its the UKGPL replays you are talking about, I go through 'rules' top of this thread, and then pick replays from the options on the left of next screen. The link 'replays' has never worked for me either, wonder if thats the same for everybody..
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« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2011, 06:46:13 PM +0000 »

This was a track, waiting for action.  It became the stage for some of the closest racing all Season, with some tremendous racing spirit being shown by all amongst us. Cool

I arrived with 2 cars - the Honda was easy to drive, but the tyres would overheat at the slightest mistake.  The Cooper was more work, but more forgiving, and the right choice, given the frantic nature of the race.

We were tightly packed heading into the 1st turn, with Bernie bouncing off my rear wheel, and subsequently loosing a motor.  I recovered close behind Michael, while Ronnie and Fabio made their escape. Sad

It soon became a 2 man race, with Ronnie always able to match my pace.  The gap was never less than 5 seconds, and never more than 10.  It was an amazing game of cat and mouse, but the leader eked it out, in the end.

A brilliant choice of track, with probably a Seasons worth of work for our Moderator, but a real achievement for all Privateers who finished.  So, the title goes down to the wire, with 2 worthy champions, and a chasing field of worthy racers. Wink
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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2011, 07:22:42 PM +0000 »

I couldn't quite repeat my times from pre-race practice runs, but still managed to take Paul after Pelle messing up his fuel loads (for which I'm thankful!) on his attempts. My start was good, but Bob in his Lotus rocketed past us all to take the lead going into T1 and although it was quite narrow, we managed to make it through without any contacts.

Bob was quite unstable on cold tires and race fuel, so I managed to close up on him right away, but he had the advantage on the straights and kept pulling away. This was until he had a wobble into the last corner and I took the inside line on the exit, lining up side by side with him. He kept going right for a bit and I thought he's going to hit me, but fortunately that didn't happen.

He pulled away under acceleration towards T1, but I braked later and dived to the inside for a pass, or at least to put some pressure. Bob moved to the middle of the track and that frightened me a bit because I thought he would completely close the door, but there was just enough room to make it through as I went over the curb at the apex and took the lead.

From there on I didn't have much problem pulling away and the gap back to 2nd began to increase steadily by about 2 seconds each lap. By the time Pelle moved up to 2nd and stabilized the gap between us, I had half a minute lead and just had to bring it home.

There were no major issues with backmarkers and I could afford to ease off when necessary to wait for the best opportunity to go through, but some decided to slow down much earlier before I really catch them up and let me by - thanks, I waved in appreciation!

I made two major mistakes during the race - one was an off at T1 which saw me running on the grass on the outside for 2-3 seconds before I could return to the track, and the other was on the exit of the last corner when I hit the armco, but luckily not too hard and without any noticeably consequences.

By my calculations and if we take a decent amount of points at Monza, I'll drop 3 points as my 2nd worst result and Tom's going to drop 15, so the actual gap between is ATM is 3 points. This means that whoever finishes in front of the other at Monza is going to be crowned Champ, so it should be an exciting race! I'm almost tempted to take a faster car since I have 66 tokens (!), but that wouldn't be right, would it?  Grin

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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2011, 08:32:04 PM +0000 »

I have to say I really enjoyed the challenge of this track. I knew I had good speed and qualifying resulted in pole position. Howvere, my pre race fears of blowing the engine led to a rather safe start and a faster starting Fabio got to the first corner ahead of me. Having looked at the replay thanks go to Bernie for not rear ending me due to my slower get off the line. On lap two Fabio clipped a curve and left a gap down the inside to the following right hairpin. I needed no second invitation and took the inside. what followed was for me a racing incident with me recovering first to take the lead. Sorry Fabio. I'm not planning on reporting this myself, however, if Fabio and/or the mods wish to take a look please do. If only to let Bernie know if he is even closer to that title I'm trying to steal from him. Big thank you to Martin who kept me honest throughout the race and finished ahead of a fast recovering Bernie who put in another excellent drive himself. I had anticipated that lapping backmarkers would be tricky at this circuit this proved not to be the case with great behaviour from the other drivers. The downside of this was Martin was not being held up and when I had a slight misunderstanding with Fabio on lap 30 I think, I half expected Martin to come flying past. I got away with it and was relieved to see the chequered flag a few laps later. I know a lot of people will be glad to see the back of this one but I look forward to coming back. I think a 65 race here could be brilliant.  Thanks for the championship maths Paul but no envelopes are in the post I'm afraid. I expect everyone will want to finish the season on a high anyway. Whatever the outcome Monza will be a fitting end to a great season.
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« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2011, 01:43:23 AM +0000 »

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If its the UKGPL replays you are talking about, I go through 'rules' top of this thread, and then pick replays from the options on the left of next screen. The link 'replays' has never worked for me either, wonder if thats the same for everybody..
Thx, yes 'REPLAYS' link open for a 'OpenDNS' site ? I use Win7 x64 Explorer 9, later I sought more in this forum & found a second page with Replays, but only from UKGTL - GTR2, Race07 & more, no GPL  Sad

Now I had seen the replay & got my memory freshened up & could see what went wrong. I was somewhat surprised by a Lotus got a gun start, trying to defend my position & comes too close to Histro...brake/turn at the same time should go wrong on cold tyres, but I did say 'hey' to everyone in the race who ran past me...unfortunately, my second place was the last place already in the T1  Shocked

Edit: YEAH, realize now I took second place - Thx - whatever I was doing too much show after the race Grin 41 point...YES
More Edit: Championship standing between Tom & Hristo...& if if & if it goes the same way from Jarama at Monza I am in a terrible situation, I will have influence on who will be Champ  Shocked ...fortunately, anything can happen in the race.
Edit again: Detects in Histro's post that there are several things that come into play with points...imagine if the rule was still working in F1, drop your lowest results away  Wink
Monza is more fun in the Ferrari, Eagle & Lotus...Hrisro you are facing a very difficult choice  Undecided
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« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2011, 02:22:16 AM +0000 »

Just run your own race and don't worry about our scrap with Tom.  Smiley
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« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2011, 02:31:03 AM +0000 »

Yes, you're right Hristo...we must run our own race on the track, not in Forum  Wink

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« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2011, 04:08:00 PM +0000 »

I was looking forward to giving Ronnie some pressure in this race , escpecially after finding a good race set up also changing the asphalt from dark to light made a big improvement to the track for me.

Race day was quite a different story , qually was poor , always seemed to get caught in traffic on what should have been "flyers" , couldnt get anywhere near my practise times or find any form , my brain didnt seem to be fully in control of my arms and feet (pretty essential items for racing ) probably due to me being worn out from a hectic day out with the Grandkids .

Made one of my better starts only to find Ronnie (actually thought it was Fabio ) almost stationary in front , went up the inside , thought i might squeeze past then thought better of it , dropped back to the outside and was following Fabio through the corner ( right car this time ) but then Martin decided he wanted the same gap I was aiming for , kept to my  line , we touched , (just a kiss really wuv ) but GPL decided it was a good idea to deploy Exoset mode and my Brabby exploded in flames . (think there may have been some warp assistance with Martin , his car dances around like crazy whenever I follow him ) .

After the compusory SR & PI  were performed I duly set off in persuit but couldnt settle into my race form or any kind of rythm , to many errors of judgement 3 or 4 spins 1 argument with the armco at  the downhill hairpin plus a contratempts with my own Team mate Mike when I was shadowing Hannah and deciding which way to get past him in one piece , Mike decided it was his turn to pass and made a move up my inside , I didnt see him and turned in , we collided , somehow launching Mike over the barrier (sorry for that buddy) a least we were both able to continue .
Didn't see anything of the Mike and Ronnie show they were well down the road , pity I couldnt join the fun as I think this is a great track for racing and a good performance leveler.
Altogether a pretty poor show and not sure what the mods will think about my escapades .

Congrats to all those who struggled through to the end and thanks a bunch to the back markers for behaving appropriatly .

Cya all soon at Monza  Wink

  
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« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2011, 08:07:15 PM +0000 »

Well, last Sunday it wasn't my night... Undecided
Ronnie took a fantastic lap and it secured his pole position whil I had some trouble with slowest drivers and I wasn't even able to be close to my fresh PB.
Anyway, my lap time was fast enough to start from second place.

I had a really good start, at least compared with Ronnie's one, so I was immediately on the lead!
Unfortunately I start pushing to early at the beginning of lap two and I went wide on T3.
During the race I didn't realise that, on T4, I left an open door to Ronnie and that he tried to pass me on the inside: I simply closed the turn and we crashed together... I immediately watched the replay after the race and I guess it was a simple race accident: anyway it's up to mods to check it, Ronnie, I'm only a driver... Wink

I was really angry after it and because of this my race was plenty of errors (I guess I hit one ord two drivers when lapping them...) and my cars was damaged but I was able to finish in 4th place.

OK, let's see you all at Monza, my home track, for the Grand Finale of such a fantastic Privateers season!

Cheers

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« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2011, 10:31:15 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2011, 01:04:51 PM +0000 »

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Not to take away anything from Pelle's excellent driving and second place finish, but seeing the scoring and everything after the penalties are applied, I'm shown as 3rd, 54.4 seconds behind Hristo. But Pelle is shown 2nd, 54.6 seconds behind Hristo. Does this mean I've been awarded second place or is there an error in the timing?

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