GT Race at Monza 4th March New series

[blito]

Again, I have to stress that being side-by-side with Goran was taking all of my attention and I was utterly unaware of your presence until we touched. As i said in the earlier post, the Mk2 mirrors are appalling and with the level of background noise in my house i cant rely on hearing competitors. My gut feeling here is that maybe discretion would have been the better part of valour, especially when dealing with a mixed-abilities race.

[Cookie]

i was retired by gpl when doing my pit stopp.......   seems i have to practise pits stops some more  

shame it was good race going on

Same here...
Couldnt have said it better!

[Samb]

That was good fun while it lasted. The GT40 MKII is an absolute tank with hopeless mirrors but at least it has plenty of grunt  . Qualified 5th, and worked my way up the order and lead for a lap until I pitted with 21 laps to go. I thought I'd do a single pit stop as I had a very tall 1st gear for the two Lesmo's and the Parabolica so thought the extra time was worth it just so I didn't have to stop again.

When we used to have pitstops in Division 1, I always took the BRM, hence me requiring to take no stop or merely a stop and go so I'm rather inexperienced when it comes to taking a long stop. I creeped forward every 15 seconds and I'm hoping that it wasn't overkill. Rejoined the track eventually after an agonising two minutes but soon after I disconnected from the server  .

Turns out Pedro also suffered which left a measly 4 cars left on the circuit. Because of so many casualties at the start Clive opened up a Nurburgring fun race and at least I won that  . The Porsche was an absolute delight around the Nordschleife. I know which car I'll be taking next Friday  .

[BadBlood]

Waddya mean 'measly' - outside

[G Jonsson]

Track: Monza             Fri Mar 04 23:35:37 2011

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  38 Axel Cookie                      GT40MkIV GER 1m32.465s             12
 2   2 Juha HalliGT                     Mirage   FIN 1m32.490s   00.025s    8
 3  21  EvilGT                          Lola T70 GBR 1m32.567s   00.102s    8
 4   1 Pedro Berg_vd                    Mirage   HOL 1m33.028s   00.563s    7
 5  37 Sam Blood                        GT40Mk2B GBR 1m33.063s   00.598s    9
 6  39 Ronnie Peterson                  GT40Mk2B ITA 1m33.091s   00.626s   12
 7  15 Nicky Ickx GT                    Ferrari  VEN 1m33.451s   00.986s    3
 8  14 Göran JonssonGT                  GT40MkIV SWE 1m33.551s   01.086s    8
 9  16 Jason Blito                      GT40Mk2B GBR 1m34.983s   02.518s    9
10  20 steve birdgt                     Lola T70 GBR 1m35.823s   03.358s    4
11   7 Fulvio Policardi-GT              GT40MkIV ITA 1m35.963s   03.498s    4
12  25 Hristo ItchovGT                  GT40Mk2B JPN 1m37.346s   04.881s    6
13  18 Norbert GT Stemmler              Porsche  DEN 1m38.092s   05.627s   12
14  12 Bob Whitwell                     GT40Mk2B GBR 1m38.733s   06.268s    2
15  24 Paul Whitfield GT                Porsche  GBR 1m41.184s   08.719s    8
16  27 2 UKGPL_T7                       Lola T70 ITA   No time   No time    0

All times are official
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Track: Monza             Fri Mar 04 23:35:37 2011

RACE RESULTS (After 35 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff    Problem
 1  39 Ronnie Peterson                 GT40Mk2B ITA   35  58m53.007s           
 2   7 Fulvio Policardi-GT             GT40MkIV ITA   35  60m14.721s  1m21.714s
 3  16 Jason Blito                     GT40Mk2B GBR   34  59m55.098s   1 lap(s)
 4  24 Paul Whitfield GT               Porsche  GBR   34  60m23.739s   1 lap(s)
 5   1 Pedro Berg_vd                   Mirage   HOL   14  22m55.329s  21 lap(s)
 6  37 Sam Blood                       GT40Mk2B GBR   14  25m00.955s  21 lap(s)
 7  38 Axel Cookie                     GT40MkIV GER   13  21m23.459s  22 lap(s)   Accident
 8   2 Juha HalliGT                    Mirage   FIN   12  19m45.256s  23 lap(s)
 9  21  EvilGT                         Lola T70 GBR    3   5m36.912s  32 lap(s)
10  15 Nicky Ickx GT                   Ferrari  VEN    1   2m39.240s  34 lap(s)
11  14 Göran JonssonGT                 GT40MkIV SWE    1   2m40.389s  34 lap(s)
12  20 steve birdgt                    Lola T70 GBR    1   2m40.975s  34 lap(s)
13  25 Hristo ItchovGT                 GT40Mk2B JPN    1   2m41.313s  34 lap(s)   Accident
14  18 Norbert GT Stemmler             Porsche  DEN    0   0m00.000s  35 lap(s)
15  12 Bob Whitwell                    GT40Mk2B GBR    0   0m00.000s  35 lap(s)
16  27 2 UKGPL_T7                      Lola T70 ITA    0 DidNotStart  35 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Sam Blood                         1m33.321s  11
 2  Axel Cookie                       1m33.581s  12
 3  Pedro Berg_vd                     1m33.802s   9
 4   EvilGT                           1m33.897s   3
 5  Fulvio Policardi-GT               1m33.911s  16
 6  Juha HalliGT                      1m34.013s  12
 7  Ronnie Peterson                   1m34.077s  21
 8  Jason Blito                       1m36.165s  27
 9  Paul Whitfield GT                 1m40.503s   9
10  Hristo ItchovGT                   2m36.403s   1
11  steve birdgt                      2m37.585s   1
12  Göran JonssonGT                   2m39.359s   1
13  Nicky Ickx GT                     2m40.047s   1
14  Norbert GT Stemmler                 No time
15  Bob Whitwell                        No time
16  2 UKGPL_T7                          No time


LEADERS

Driver                           Laps
Axel Cookie                      1-4
Juha HalliGT                     5-12
Sam Blood                        13
Pedro Berg_vd                    14
Fulvio Policardi-GT              15-24
Ronnie Peterson                  25-35

Number of lead changes: 5
Number of leaders: 6


LAPS LED

Driver                           Laps led
Ronnie Peterson                  11
Fulvio Policardi-GT              10
Juha HalliGT                     8
Axel Cookie                      4
Pedro Berg_vd                    1
Sam Blood                        1


HIGHEST CLIMBER

Driver                           Start Finish  Change
Paul Whitfield GT                   15      4      11 
Fulvio Policardi-GT                 11      2       9 
Jason Blito                          9      3       6 
Ronnie Peterson                      6      1       5 
2 UKGPL_T7                          16     16       0 
Hristo ItchovGT                     12     13      -1 
Bob Whitwell                        14     15      -1 
Norbert GT Stemmler                 13     14      -1 
Pedro Berg_vd                        4      5      -1 
Sam Blood                            5      6      -1 
steve birdgt                        10     12      -2 
Nicky Ickx GT                        7     10      -3 
Göran JonssonGT                      8     11      -3 
Axel Cookie                          1      7      -6 
 EvilGT                              3      9      -6 
Juha HalliGT                         2      8      -6 


ON TRACK LAPS

Driver                           Laps/Total    Percent
Ronnie Peterson                     (34/35)      97.14
Fulvio Policardi-GT                 (33/35)      94.29
Paul Whitfield GT                   (25/34)      73.53
Jason Blito                         (22/34)      64.71
Pedro Berg_vd                       (14/14)     100.00
Sam Blood                           (14/14)     100.00
Juha HalliGT                        (12/12)     100.00
Axel Cookie                         (11/13)      84.62
 EvilGT                               (3/3)     100.00
Nicky Ickx GT                         (1/1)     100.00
steve birdgt                          (1/1)     100.00
Hristo ItchovGT                       (1/1)     100.00
Göran JonssonGT                       (1/1)     100.00


RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)

Driver                    Avg Deviation  Std Deviation  Avg Laptime   Laps
Juha HalliGT                      0.238          0.356    1m34.396s     12
Pedro Berg_vd                     0.363          0.453    1m34.294s     14
 EvilGT                           0.631          0.631    1m34.528s      3
Axel Cookie                       0.696          0.768    1m34.753s     13
Paul Whitfield GT                 3.439          4.411    1m44.906s     34
Ronnie Peterson                   7.675          2.081    1m39.274s     35
Jason Blito                       8.824          4.856    1m44.078s     34
Fulvio Policardi-GT              10.097          6.070    1m41.573s     35
Sam Blood                        18.003         12.273    1m43.923s     14


All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

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[BadBlood]

I drove longer than anyone! No wonder I am knackered. I could have given up 20 laps earlier...

BTW How the hell do you get round in 1:35? I topped out at 165mph before Para and I never went under 1:40...

[blito]

WoW Paul - Highest climber, and with a gain of 11 places no less!!! thats quite something
Lets now go and pester the UKGPL admin crew to get these results uploaded to our SROU race histories

Now then, the next problem is which tank to take for a drive round the german countryside? I`m for the Mk1 I think....

[fpolicardi]

I think you hadn't nailed your pit stall, only there GPL leave you stop for ages.
Ciao

i was retired by gpl when doing my pit stopp.......   seems i have to practise pits stops some more  

shame it was good race going on

Same here...
Couldnt have said it better!

[jhalli]

I think you hadn't nailed your pit stall, only there GPL leave you stop for ages.
Ciao

thanks for the tip Fulvio ,thats maybe the reason, il go and test it offline race.

accidentally there was many other pit retires too with same reason and it seems even moving car ahead and revving didnt work for all people.

but your tip explains all



Juha

[Phil Thornton]

I think you hadn't nailed your pit stall, only there GPL leave you stop for ages.
Ciao

thanks for the tip Fulvio ,thats maybe the reason, il go and test it offline race.


Juha

Yes Fulvio is correct.  What you have to do is approach your pit stall very slowly and stop immediately the pit stall message is withdrawn.  If you go more than half a car length past your board, GPL will disco you after 30 seconds.  Equally if you stop before your pit stall message is with drawn (i.e. it is still visible whilst you are doing your stop), GPL will again disco you after 30 seconds.

In all the years I've been doing pit stop races here at UKGPL I didn't know that until now!!  A big thanks to Fulvio for letting us know.  Having said that, 95% of pit stops in 67 F1 races are less than 30 seconds (we've only ever run pit stops with the 67 F1s not with any other mod).  It is only on the very fast tracks like Spa where the Eagle is so much quicker than the other cars that any of the pit stops are more than 30 seconds.  So it wasn't really a problem and drivers wanted the option to stop anywhere in the pit stalls.

As we all know the GT mod is different, there is a vast difference between the fastest and slowest cars.  So stopping in your designated pit stall is probably the answer, and more realistic

[EvilClive]

Thanks Fulvio I had no idea about that !!  as Phil said in 67's we rarely had stops over 30 seconds.

If we can stretch the grid , is it possible to stretch the pitlane to allow more room at each pit stall???   just a thought  

Anyway,
The race was not as good as we had hoped with a lot of retirements.

Well, grats to all (4 ) finishers in last nights race. ( a special mention for Paul (badblood) for getting to the finish and almost a podium!!).

 It seems there were a few problems with the rolling start and one or two "incidents" that took a few cars out of the race . Some suffered from disco's in the pitlane, but we appear to have a solution from Fulvio for that.  

Interesting that we had more mechanical failures that we expected, myself included!!

I was keeping my revs 500rpm below the redline in my Lola and was being careful with downshifts, but the engine still popped after only 3 laps??! I wonder if this was because we ran the race under full PRO ( GP) damage settings?? and we are at last seeing some true reliability issues??

As Hristo mentioned above, if the reliability factor is a random thing, then it does not matter how careful you are, GPL will just decide that you are the lucky recipient of a blown engine!! Maybe keeping revs 1000rpm below max improves your chances, only time and many more races will prove that.

The next few races have GRID starts, no pitstops and will be on INT damage with the Single Shift -R rule, so we can return to what everyone knows. It will be interesting to see if there are as many early retirements??

Nurburgring looks like being a Porsche Playground.

BUT

REMEMBER THAT YOU MUST USE A DIFFERENT CAR IN EACH RACE, IF YOU USED A PORSCHE AT MONZA YOU HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT NURBY!!!  ALSO  REMEMBER THAT YOU ONLY HAVE 85 TOKENS FOR ALL 5 RACES!!

MAYBE A GOOD IDEA CHECK OUT THE RULES AGAIN AT   https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9041.0

[jhalli]

Thanks Fulvio I had no idea about that !!  as Phil said in 67's we rarely had stops over 30 seconds.

If we can stretch the grid , is it possible to stretch the pitlane to allow more room at each pit stall???   just a thought  

is it possible to stretch , from  trackGT.ini , i can do if needed

GT mod seems to use separate trackGT.ini's  so it even more handy.

[Hristo Itchov]

Reliability is not a random factor, but there seems to be some random element leading to failures sometimes, no matter how safe you drive.

As for the pitstop thing, I never knew either, but I think you can stop outside your pit stall and prevent being taken off the track, I've done it many times. The key in creeping forward is not just to move a meter and stop again, but do it when you see the message on the low left corner telling you to press ESC to retire (or whatever it says), and then keep moving forward (slowly ofc) until it disappears, and stop again. The message doesn't disappear if you move too little, so maybe that was the case here.

Anyway, good to know about the pit stall, although it could be problematic if two cars have pit stalls next to one another and are pitting at the same time, as the pit stalls are very closely positioned. I suppose you would just have to stop outside your stall in that situation.

With such long pitstops (because of the Porsche), I'm not sure some pitlanes are long enough to allow for moving forward for the whole duration of pitstops. Perhaps we should make 2 stops mandatory and drop the extremely long single stop? Oh and with so much moving forward that needs to be done, what would you do if there is another car in front of you, go around it in the middle of the pitlane (or onto the track on tracks like Monaco)?

[john roberts]

when we where beta testing the gt mod we used standing starts but had a grid of cars in single file with a larger than normal gap between them  . that way if a car got a poor start there was enough room for the following car to avoid rear ending it and also everybody could see that a car was overtaking as it was moving to the other side of the track (which was clear) .

john

[fpolicardi]

T7 server uses for all mods only the general track.ini that is edited for loose grids. If we use a trackGT.ini with different pit stalls (this has to well tested for all the tracks involved, here is a track builder speaking   ) we have to edit also the grid stalls for loose grids.
Ciao

Thanks Fulvio I had no idea about that !!  as Phil said in 67's we rarely had stops over 30 seconds.

If we can stretch the grid , is it possible to stretch the pitlane to allow more room at each pit stall???   just a thought  

is it possible to stretch , from  trackGT.ini , i can do if needed

GT mod seems to use separate trackGT.ini's  so it even more handy.