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  • S20N Adelaide: March 08, 2011
March 08, 2011, 09:45:20 PM +0000 - Adelaide (GP) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Artiglietti
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:33.306
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1 39:53.359
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25 1:34.272
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Dunlop  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.295
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2 +4.129
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25 1:34.186
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Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +2.210
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3 (+1) +36.211
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25 1:35.087
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Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +2.241
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4 +59.121
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25 1:35.725
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Dunlop  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 2 +1.047
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5 +1:30.703
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25 1:35.651
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Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +3.549
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6 (+4) +1:36.752
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25 1:37.098
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 11 +3.965
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7 +1L
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24 1:36.538
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Goodyear  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +2.142
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8 +18.914
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24 1:36.829
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Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +4.799
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9 +39.790
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24 1:38.669
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Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +4.796
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10 +41.904
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24 1:38.487
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +3.051
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11 +1:09.151
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24 1:36.658
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Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +5.186
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12 (+2) +1:11.950
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24 1:37.726
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Goodyear  
Fragfritz
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 16 +11.353
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13 +17L
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8 1:46.847
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 15 +5.821
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14 +18L
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7 1:40.068
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Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +2.740
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15 +1.055
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7 1:38.602
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 10 +3.906
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16 (+7) +24L
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1 1:47.312
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

The final race of the season was a bit of a mixed bag. Some midfield drivers had good races and some good drivers had midfield races.

The slippery surface caught a few out and a lack of practise for others was evident by the spin fest lower down the order.

I think most are ready for the rest that the season end brings, but don't forget the pickup races during the break as many will need to learn to drive new cars next season. ;-)


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Attilio uses the tarmac on the outside of the kerbs at the exit of Brewery Bend, sometimes having all four wheels over the kerb and using the extra road as track.

I previously said that this would not be moderated as it was possible that drivers could end up using that piece of road if they made a mistake through Brewery.
Therefore it will go unpunished as the same opportunity was open to all drivers.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0

Karliss continually cuts the chicane at T1 when the race post clearly (in bright red letters) asks people not to do it.
He does not always seem to gain an advantage and it is sometimes clearly due to a loss of control, but during his battle with Ronnie he seems to do it intentionally, though this backfires when he has to drive through the trees back to the circuit.
Most people cut the chicane at T1 to some degree, but all the incidents below are where Karliss has all 4 wheels off the track.
0h00m54s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h09m10s cuts both parts of T1
0h10m45s cuts 1st part of T1
0h12m25s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h14m00s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h15m44s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h17m20s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h18m58s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h20m35s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h25m25s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh27m00s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h28m35s cuts both parts of T1
0h30m20s cuts 1st part of T1
0h31m58s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh33m33s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh35m11s cuts 1st part of T1
0h36m46s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h38m33s cuts 2nd part of T1


Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Blito is a little enthusiastic heading into T1 and closes up on Rog before hitting him causing another incident behind for Billy and Norbert.


Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Billy leaves the line and approaching T1 can see a car in the air,
he moves left to avoid a possible contact but moves straight into Norbert spinning them both.
Norbert was visible on the run to T1


Server replay time: 0h02m50s

Nigel spins and rejoins the track on to the racing line.
Fabio avoids him but only just.
Nigel should have been prepared to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m10s

Mike goes too wide at Stag and ends up spinning.
Norm takes the same route hoping not to miss out on the new racing line, but unfortunately he hits the spinning Mike.
Fabio sees Norm parked and the magnet in the front of his Ferrari instantly homes in on the metalwork of Norms car sending him skywards

All 3 have to wait for the entire field to pass before resetting
Mike resets at the same time as Fabio and is warped again so resets a second time.
All are deemed free resets.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h04m00s

Fabio rear ends Fragfritz approaching the Brabham Hairpin.
Fragfritz is new to the division and is not as fast as Fabio, but Fabio is still accelerating when Fragfritz has started braking and seems to take no avoiding action.


Server replay time: 0h10m00s

Martin closes quite quickly on Fragfritz and runs into the back of him.

Fragfritz was not quite at racing speed but Martin should have avoided the collision.

This should have been a Simple Rear End Shunt and would have attracted a 1 place penalty, but I have mitigated the lost place as Fragfritz was so slow and Martin caught him very quickly, but in Fabio's similar incident, he had followed Fragfritz down the whole of the straight.


Server replay time: 0h12m45s

Paul runs wide into the last corner and Billy sees the opportunity to go for the gap.
He had no overlap at turn in but could see Paul running wide.
Paul recovers and accelerates again while turning back towards the racing line where Billy now is.
Both have asked for no penalty to be given.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h22m35s

Billy predicts a run at the bar after the race, so heads to the beer tent to place his order and ask for it to be put on ice.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #90 on: March 16, 2011, 12:28:41 AM +0000 »

just hoping that the rule would be applied in a more specific manner for the future, only for cases where the driver gains time and/or positions. As you said, it was already stated the way it was before this race, so Karlisss should've been aware about it.
Sorry to butt in, not trying to steal Mike's thunder but he clearly said don't do it in the race post and, whether to gain time or not, doing it so many times shows an intent. I don't think it would be fair to expect the moderators to get out their calculators and work out exactly whether any time was gained over a drivers average laptimes. If it was one or two mistakes I would let it ride but it wasn't.
Technically Mike could have applied time penalties for each incident but this was felt to be too draconian purely because Karliss didn't gain a great deal from it.

I'm not detracting from your great performance in the race Karliss and appreciate you say it wasn't intentional but you still go all fours off on a number of occasions.
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« Reply #91 on: March 16, 2011, 08:26:49 AM +0000 »

just hoping that the rule would be applied in a more specific manner for the future, only for cases where the driver gains time and/or positions. As you said, it was already stated the way it was before this race, so Karlisss should've been aware about it.
... he clearly said don't do it in the race post and, whether to gain time or not, ....
race tread was said:
Drivers found with all 4 wheels on or inside the kerbs at the first chicane will risk being penalised.

so its not clear.
actualy for me its not clear, cos iam not english and for me clear is WILL BE PENALISED, not WILL RISK BEING...(atleast now i see what means "risk be penalised" for future)
i will try to do bether in next season.
is there any ideas what tracks there will be?

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« Reply #92 on: March 16, 2011, 09:19:23 AM +0000 »

I feel a bit hard done by here as I never hit a damn thing in T1.... I was aware of trouble ahead ( mostly due to the airborne cooper directly in front) but was totally unaware that I had hit any one..  Given the terrible lag problems everyone seemed to suffer on the opening laps I feel the punishments for this race are unduly harsh.
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« Reply #93 on: March 16, 2011, 09:44:02 AM +0000 »

The race thread said:

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Drivers found with all 4 wheels on or inside the kerbs at the first chicane will risk being penalised.

I could not say "WILL BE PENALISED" because that would include those who did it in error. I had to say "WILL RISK" so that I could ignore incidents where people did it by mistake.

If it had been done even 3 or 4 times then I would have ignored it, but the fact is that it was done many times and in my opinion not by mistake every time. As Vos said I could have added a penalty for every time it occurred or added penalty points as well. I chose to add 30 seconds as a whole for all incidents and it does not affect the race result or Karliss's driving record which is why I'm amazed it is even begin questioned.

I'm not averse to people questioning the moderation but Jesus H Christ, this is a no brainer.

However, I'm glad Karliss seems to have accepted it and wants to move on.

Is there any ideas what tracks there will be?

Yes, I have picked all 10 but we are testing some in the off season so I can't confirm them yet. There are some that we have never used before so you will have some learning to do.
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« Reply #94 on: March 16, 2011, 09:49:37 AM +0000 »

I feel a bit hard done by here as I never hit a damn thing in T1.

The server replay shows you clearly hitting RogUK and launching him.

If he launches in front of you like that it is most likely to have warp involved, though the server shows clear contact. In a case like that you should have reported the incident and attached your client replay which may not show contact, and may have meant you got no penalty.

Looks like a clear case for appeal so I won't comment further but I wouldn't be offended if you did appeal...............
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« Reply #95 on: March 16, 2011, 10:00:30 AM +0000 »

Well, I'm not going to appeal as I don't really want to cause you any more work for no real gain -  its not as if there's a championship at stake here!  In any case, I don't think I saved my client replay (I only save my replay when I know I have something to report).
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« Reply #96 on: March 16, 2011, 10:28:47 AM +0000 »

Well, I'm not going to appeal as I don't really want to cause you any more work for no real gain

An appeal causes me no extra work as I don't do it. It goes to Vosblod the Chief Moderator.

Out of courtesy I am informed and consulted but Vosblod does all the work. Appeal! Appeal!  Grin Grin

It just goes to show what an inexact science warp is too, I remember an unusual incident from Kiemola where Billy was on the straight with somebody else and they were a considerable distance apart yet one of them was warped off because the server lost track of where they were.
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« Reply #97 on: March 16, 2011, 12:20:20 PM +0000 »

Really? Wow! I don't recall warp being as much a factor of online racing in the past as it has been in this season.  I think maybe our old Wireplay server was on a better network or some other such techie nonsense.
The thing that has annoyed me most about this incident report is that I went to such extraordinary lengths to avoid possible contact on lap one because of the lag. In fact I think I lost 2 or 3 places because of my caution but considered it worthwhile. Oh well, 'tis the way the cookie crumbles I guess....
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« Reply #98 on: March 16, 2011, 01:47:47 PM +0000 »

The joys of racing on home connections I'm afraid, even though it should work OK on a modem, for some reason we still have bandwidth or server performance issues sometimes.
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« Reply #99 on: March 16, 2011, 05:38:54 PM +0000 »

Great moderation and patience Mike I don't know how you do it.

Tough break Martin after an excellent drive to lose that third spot  Grin. But hey whats a podium among friends.....we are friends still?

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« Reply #100 on: March 16, 2011, 06:53:21 PM +0000 »

Highly suspicious Ray!  My proud podium,unceremoniously pulled out from under my worthy self, by a Lotus incident, which I hadn't a chance in Hell of either predicting, or avoiding.  And all the glory thrust upon your unworthy Lotusizing shoulders . . .  highly suspicious! Angry

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« Reply #101 on: March 16, 2011, 07:45:37 PM +0000 »

I'm pleased to welcome Fabio to the ranks of Black Night Racing.

I've seen better debuts........  Grin Grin Grin

Anyway, I'm still contending for the Penalty Points title... death

...and in the end I wore the Penalty Points crown!! oops

I totally forgot about that incident...

I really hope to do better on season 21: it shouldn't be difficult.
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« Reply #102 on: March 16, 2011, 09:21:07 PM +0000 »

Well, I'm not going to appeal as I don't really want to cause you any more work for no real gain
An appeal causes me no extra work as I don't do it. It goes to Vosblod the Chief Moderator.
Out of courtesy I am informed and consulted but Vosblod does all the work. Appeal! Appeal!  Grin Grin
It just goes to show what an inexact science warp is too, I remember an unusual incident from Kiemola where Billy was on the straight with somebody else and they were a considerable distance apart yet one of them was warped off because the server lost track of where they were.
As you will hopefully be aware as the rules stand you cannot Appeal against an incident where you have not submitted a report; https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/league

However this is a bit of an anomally in moderator reviewed races such as the Novices as you won't necessarily know an incident is being reviewed. So, we are going to change the rules to allow Appeals where an incident follows a moderators review and not an incident report submitted by another driver (for which you will receive an srou PM notification).
I would say this is not a carte blanche to ignore reporting anything. If you are involved in an incident you should report it and will probably be asked, as part of any appeal process, for the reasons you did not do so.
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« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2011, 09:27:44 PM +0000 »

Grats on the PP Crown  thumbup2

I think I can claim the Crown for a single race though  Smiley

In this Monaco race I was surely the King of the penalty point  Roll Eyes

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4269#event1357
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« Reply #104 on: March 16, 2011, 09:33:50 PM +0000 »


I would say this is not a carte blanche to ignore reporting anything. If you are involved in an incident you should report it and will probably be asked, as part of any appeal process, for the reasons you did not do so.

The problem with this though is that I was unaware that I had been involved in an incident as no report was submitted by anyone! I`d assumed the flying cooper ahead was the result of a clash between drivers in front of me! Lesson learned here - save the client replay and submit everything  Roll Eyes
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