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  • S21GT Mont-Tremblant: May 01, 2011
May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100 - Mont-Tremblant - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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FullMetalGasket
 Orange GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 1 1:40.497
94.915mph
1 51:47.395
92.090mph
30 1:40.885
94.549mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Blue GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 3 +1.349
93.657mph
2 +29.757
91.216mph
30 1:42.280
93.260mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Red GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 2 +0.579
94.371mph
3 +35.605
91.046mph
30 1:42.500
93.060mph
Firestone  
jhalli
 Grey GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 5 +2.088
92.983mph
4 +1:04.218
90.225mph
30 1:42.373
93.175mph
Firestone  
Dave Randall
 Orange GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 4 +1.476
93.541mph
5 +1:13.057
89.974mph
30 1:42.925
92.675mph
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 Red GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 7 +2.237
92.848mph
6 +1:35.713
89.338mph
30 1:41.907
93.601mph
Firestone  
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 Green GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 8 +3.556
91.671mph
7 +1:38.877
89.250mph
30 1:44.067
91.658mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Blue GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 6 +2.133
92.942mph
8 +1L
88.221mph
29 1:42.963
92.641mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 9 +5.221
90.227mph
9 +53.586
86.739mph
29 1:47.084
89.076mph
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Grey GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 11 +6.214
89.387mph
10 +2L
85.885mph
28 1:46.931
89.204mph
Firestone  
happyal
 Blue GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 14 +10.813
85.694mph
11 +3L
81.544mph
27 1:50.820
86.073mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Red GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +8.898
87.194mph
12 (+3) +1:27.721
79.341mph
27 1:51.162
85.808mph
Dunlop  
blito
 Green GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 10 +5.696
89.823mph
13 +4L
86.560mph
26 1:46.098
89.904mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 Orange GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 15 +13.037
84.016mph
14 +4:03.280
79.786mph
26 1:50.408
86.394mph
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Grey GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 13 +10.158
86.201mph
15 +23L
78.095mph
7 1:53.014
84.402mph
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Goodyear  
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Moderator's Report

This was the first race of our season 21 GT series and the standard of driving was generally quite high, and the rolling start went well
( well, almost well!! see below )

Moderator's comments.

1) Because we are using rolling starts in these races it is important to be sure exactly where you should be when the grid is formed. A quick check to be sure whose car you should be following on the warm up lap is easy, and will automatically solve any glitches with a staggered grid that is not quite perfect in future races.

2) The GT's present a real problem with their lack of decent mirrors and a couple of the incidents in this race were partially down to that fact. I would ask all drivers to bear this in mind in future races.

It was heartwarming to see that almost everyone who took a Shift-R also called at the pits.
What was not quite so warming, was that not all drivers took the 10 second stop stipulated in the rules!!
So, there are some time penalties to be added to a few drivers finishing places.

Hristo was stopped for only 1 second, so attracts a 9x3 = 27 second penalty .

Paul was forced to make a pitstop after his contact with Dave Randall on his last lap but in his eagerness to cross the line ahead of Nigel was stopped for only 8 secs, so attracts a 2x3 = 6second penalty.

Update...........stewards are investigating Tim Vos for completely missing a pitstop.................................. However as he quit, when he realised his ommission, and finished last, he only gets a warning that his future conduct will be scutinised. :o)


Server replay time: 0h02m00s

As Paul has pointed out, Tim should technically not have been in front of him at that point as he had "jumped" a place in the rolling start. Not exactly an excuse to rear end someone, but I suppose he has a point?
In Tim's defence, I think there was a fault with the staggered grid positions , because there is no stagger between Paul and Tim's slots when they line up. They are side by side and Tim might just ( only just!!) be forgiven for simply following the car ( that he could see) in front. BUT!! it would also be reasonable for Tim to KNOW that he qualified behind Paul and be looking for the tail of his Porsche as he moved off the grid?

Vos loses pace at the crest on T1, is consequently slow down the hill and brakes quite early and conservatively for the esses complex. Paul is watching Vos's problems from behind and makes a clean run through T1 carrying more speed. Paul is closing quickly upon Tim at the bottom of the hill and Tim is quite justified in being in the middle of the road. I think Paul might have judged his closing speed and available tarmac a little better. There was a good possibility of making a clean pass down the inside given his greater speed and the better braking of the Porsche? Instead he caught the rear corner of Tim's Ford and spun both cars out.


Server replay time: 0h02m20s

As a result of his contact with Tim Vos entering T2, Paul' Porsche is on the grass and plainly lacking any traction or meaningful directional control. He crosses the track at T2 and is now on the grassy infield trying to get back to the tarmac at T3 via the scenic route.
Whilst Paul and Tim are having their country dancing lessons, Al Baldwin cruises through in his Mirage passing the stricken Tim and avoiding the Porsche crossing the track at T2. However Paul has not given up his chance to cause more mayhem and flashes across the nose of Al's car at T3.
Al might have thought that he had succesfully avoided all of this carnage and lines up his exit from T3, probably quite happy to have picked up 2 places within 200 mtrs.
However, Paul somehow gets enough traction in his Porsche to perform a "U" turn on the outside edge of the track and turns back to produce the perfect road block directly in front of Al who is knocked into a spin.
In the recovering mayhem, Paul manages to perform a half donut in an attempt to get his car facing in the right direction, but only succeeds in hitting the innocent Mr Baldwin again!!??.
I think given his strenuous efforts to obtain this penalty, it would be unfair not to give Paul something!! The initial contact with Tim was a small lapse of judgement and mitigated by the fact that Tim should not really have been there.
However, the Blatant Bad Rejoin(s) inflicted upon Al is deserving of recognition.


Server replay time: 0h08m35s

Hristo makes pit stop after Shift-R but fails to wait 10 seconds
The rules state that all stops after a Shift-R require a 10 second stop in the pit lane.
For each second that the pitstop is under 10 seconds the driver will be penalised x 3.
Only 1 second stationary = 9 seconds short. 9 x 3 = 27 second penalty.


Server replay time: 0h34m28s

The following incident was not reported but is worthy of mention I feel.

34:28 Hristo and Fulvio.

Fulvio is catching Nigel to lap him in his 2F and Hristo is close behind in his Mirage. On the exit of the sharp right after the bridge Fulvio has a slow exit because he is behind Nigel. On the run up to the final turn the extra grunt of Fulvio's 2F powers him past Nigel who has kept to the right hand side. Hristo has taken advantage of the slow exit and is carrying more speed. He also dives past Nigel on the first of gentle right hand curves and finds that Fulvio has run out to the left hand side of the track leaving the door wide open for the inside line on the second right flick. Fulvio is clearly unaware that Hristo is 75% alongside and moves across to his right.
Fulvio is spun out and blows his engine trying to recover forcing him to take Shift-R and a 10 second pitstop.

The poor rear vision in the GT's contributed to this incident. The last time Fulvio saw Hristo's Mirage in his mirror, it was 20+ metres behind him before Fulvio went past Nigel. He did not expect to make contact with a car when he moved to the right. In fact Fulvio might well have assumed that it was Nigel's car that he hit until he saw the replay.
I think this has to go down as a Racing Incident, but is a reminder to everyone that the rearward vision in these cars IS a problem and we need to exercise some caution on all sides

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h51m26s

Dave Randall has caught Paul and is about to lap him at the end of the long straight.
Paul, quite correctly, keeps his car on the outside of the track and off of the racing line, allowing Dave the line through the apex of the corner. Dave takes the right hander and both cars keep carefully to their own side of the track on the short straight to the next left.
Unfortunately, it appears that the poor rearward visibilty in the GT's contributed greatly to this incident. Paul was able to see Dave's car pass him and he could see that Dave would be able to sweep across and take the "racing line" through the left hander. But Dave could not be sure exactly where Paul's Porsche was as it was invisble in his mirrors ( The 2D is particularly poor in this department) and as a result he chooses to play safe and run around the outside of the left turn. This would have worked fine, if he had not put a rear wheel on the grass!! the resultant spin takes him directly across the path of Paul who is following him through the corner and they collide.
Dave recovers the track but loses a place to Hristo, and Paul is forced to perform a Shift-R.
Paul might have afforded Dave a little more space, but to force lapped drivers to make sure they can be seen in the mirrors of the faster car is an impossible ask I think
From Paul's point of view he had allowed Dave the racing line and had done nothing wrong. From Dave's perspective, he has lost a place in trying to pass a backmarker and had tried to make the pass safely without risking any contact and has also done nothing wrong ( except to put a whell on the grass)

Very unfortunate for both drivers, but I think a Racing Incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h52m17s

Badblood performs a shift-R on the last lap and duly goes into the pits to take his 10 second stop. Unfortunately he is only staionary for 8 seconds.
2 x 3 =6 second penalty

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:40.497
94.915mph
FullMetalGasket
Qualifying
Ferrari 330/P4May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100
S21GT
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:40.885
94.549mph
FullMetalGasket
Race
Ferrari 330/P4May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100
S21GT
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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2011, 01:20:06 PM +0100 »

lol that "bug" certainly focuses the mind on "late braking"!!!  Something that I have become VERY aware of  Shocked
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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2011, 01:26:14 PM +0100 »

I am lapping in the 50's here and am having to be very cautious at certain points. I am aware that I am arriving at certain corners having lost too much speed but every time I try to brake/lift off a bit later I spin Sad
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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2011, 02:25:49 PM +0100 »

I am lapping in the 50's here and am having to be very cautious at certain points. I am aware that I am arriving at certain corners having lost too much speed but every time I try to brake/lift off a bit later I spin Sad

Then focus on earlier acceleration, at least that never leads to sudden spinning and it gains you more time anyway. Also, you should never lift up completely on corner entry and mid-corner, that will prevent you from spinning.
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« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2011, 09:22:47 PM +0100 »

Due to server issues (read as 'Waza sabotage') the race password for tonight is now 'race1' minus the '' bits for any late comers  Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2011, 10:25:45 PM +0100 »

What a disaster - not my best showing ever.
Found the Mk1 hard going, it doesn't seem to like slowing down LOL, but I was still surprised there was such a big gap to the top.
Anyway head down and just finish, at least that was the plan. A small tap early on threw me but that really didn't make the slightest difference to my race so not even going to bother looking, I was quite capable of messing it up on my own.
Was following Paul for a while but not enough to make a mark then Al passed and I kept it tight but was completely surpirsed to find FMG following through so early on. Lost the plot and had to take a reset.
BIG note to self, when trying out the track make sure you know where the pit entrance is. It threw me I span and ended up splatt across the S/F with lappers approaching. Rather then become the black sheep of UKGPL an exit seemed the best option - sorry 'greys'.
Anyway next time (there won't be one of course) I will risk the wrath of evil and go round for a second try rather then doing a 190.

Great fun while it lasted and congrats to winners and finishers whoever they are.
Sorry for the server troubles Paul - even after launching loads I still have a little checklist, so easy to hit the wrong button.
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« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2011, 10:54:12 PM +0100 »

More GPL problems for me.. this time it was internet connection having a momentary "blip", causing me to disco from a comfy 9th with only 3 to go.... Sad
Not having much luck at the minute.
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« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2011, 11:01:26 AM +0100 »

       I understand a few people had a good race there, didn't see it myself  Sad After a good few laps [about 20] offline practice I felt quite happy with the handling of the tank and was looking forward to a steady, if not fast race. Online, things just weren't the same, the car understeered very badly and bucked wildly over the first hill/ right hander. And to compound it all the wheel decided to kick back like a mule, even on the straights, despite nothing being changed in the settings. Oh well more research into techie stuff needed. Onwards and upwards, hopefully.
   
           Grats to all who finished and especially to Tim for the inaugaral win in this series- feel the juice. Orange, get it?. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2011, 11:25:19 AM +0100 »

Big apologies to everyone for the muck up over the start - I have two PCs that I can swap between so that I can make it easy but my Chrome had decided to clear my password cache (hmmm must have a word with my 14 year old) so I wasn't logged in to the forum so I couldn't get the password Sad

Got the server settings wrong so I had to restart and then got the name wrong arrrrgggghhhhh.

OK Third time is a charm. So off I go. Quite pleased to get a 1:49 and off we go on the rolling lap - what's that - a yellow Vos sneaking past? Shall I take the place back - was I in fact behind. Never mind I'll get him on the last corner....

No I won't, he's quicker than me to the line. Never mind, give him a tap going in to T2 - never mind the Lap 1 penalty points - wobble around the hilly corners, spin and rejoin REALLY badly in front of Al. Ah Penalty Points galore. Never mind, let's race. Get past Al after he makes a small mistake and mange to sneak past Nigel. Best part of the race. Al catches me up and we race for a few laps (enjoyed it whilst it lasted mate) - I'm quicker in the turns, he's got it on the straights. Overall he's quicker. My big plan of using the lappers to close up fails due to my total inability to keep up lol.

Towards the end Dave catches me and I take a tight line to let him past but maybe not tight enough. He spins and collects me. Shift-R time and tens seconds allows Nigel to catch up. I am defending like mad but I've got cold tyres. I squeeze him on the straight but he is brave BUT a bit too hot. He beaches and... so do I. Kamikaze effort to get past on the next corner spins me and I limp home.

But what's this? Tim has passed Nigel just before the S/F so we weren't actually racing. I have FINALLY beaten Nigel. Except I won't after Lap 1 modding! All in all a quiet race <ahem>

I even had time to spin in front of my team mate Evil just to show off my new skills Cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2011, 11:25:19 AM +0100 »

Nige, back when I was using FF I always noticed much different FF behaviour between offline and online driving, so perhaps you should do your practice online, either joining a server or hosting by yourself.
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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2011, 11:27:37 AM +0100 »

Do you not use FF now H?
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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2011, 11:52:19 AM +0100 »

Quite pleased to get a 1:49 and off we go on the rolling lap - what's that - a yellow Vos sneaking past? Shall I take the place back - was I in fact behind. Never mind I'll get him on the last corner....
Oh dear did I? Big apology, it wasn't deliberate I just followed the car in front and didn't see you. I did look left on the grid but the car to that side looked slightly back. I'll double-check next time.
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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2011, 12:05:14 PM +0100 »

       I understand a few people had a good race there, didn't see it myself  Sad After a good few laps [about 20] offline practice I felt quite happy with the handling of the tank and was looking forward to a steady, if not fast race. Online, things just weren't the same, the car understeered very badly and bucked wildly over the first hill/ right hander. And to compound it all the wheel decided to kick back like a mule, even on the straights, despite nothing being changed in the settings. Oh well more research into techie stuff needed. Onwards and upwards, hopefully.
   
           Grats to all who finished and especially to Tim for the inaugaral win in this series- feel the juice. Orange, get it?. Roll Eyes
Hi Nigel

Look if in IGOR by joining the option "Override Force-Feedback" is unchecked!

I am in a similar situation. I practiced offline with 36fps in the afternoon and had no problem getting a 1:42:xx time. Also aimed to crack the 1:41...
But in Quali online I couldnt reach any of this times by far, a 1:44:06 was my best...
I dont understand this! Maybe I am too much excited and carefull, but think this would be -1sec. Had no probs with fps or connections!
Is there a technical reason for beeing slower with full grid?

My race was fun, had a nice time with Fulvio ( great thing with two ChapFs sound Cheesy ) but did some little mistakes. At the end last in leaders lap  Grin

Hope the greenies are happy with  my result, as this was the most hated track for me...

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« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2011, 12:15:26 PM +0100 »

I was about to congratulate everyone on making the rolling start work faultlessly ...but there is always someone........................ Undecided lol.

Thanks to everyone for a great first round of out first proper GT season in UKGPL. From where I was the racing seemed close, and there seemed to be quite a few battles taking place.

Grat to Tim on setting a stunning pace in the Hairdressers favourite car, kind of worrying that he took to it so well Roll Eyes
Samb proved his raw speed and rubbed it in , by catching me twice and and throwing himself off the track only to close a 3rd time, when I was hampered by back markers  ( no complaints the, cars in question had nowhere to go and moved over as soon as they could) and then audaciously drive past!! just to prove how easy it was Undecided

I think this was my first race in the 2F, except for an initial try out when the mod was released, and although I netted a 2nd grid spot I was fighting the beast for most of the race and was wary of trying to run at my qually speed in case of mistakes.

Paul did a great job in sorting the server after a few initial gremlins.Those of us who have done that task before, know the pressure that comes with it. 16 or more adreniline junkies waiting for their octane fix and made to wait an extra frustrating 5 minutes, do not create the best environment for cool, calm thinking  Wink .

The next round is at Effex, which should produce an entirely different race.
With a lap time of just over 60 secs against that at St Jovite of 1:43 ish, it is going to be a very busy ribbon of tarmac, plus the Porsches and Mk1's might not be at such a disadvantage. Which might have been why it was selected  Wink.

Because there were some server issues during last nights race, and because importing the results into SROU with the teams is a slightly new procedure, it might take a few days to get the results posted. Please be patient and allow the suspense to build (lol) whilst the backroom boys do their stuff.
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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2011, 01:47:56 PM +0100 »

Terrific race that  Smiley. Really enjoyed it. To be honest I wasn't sure what to expect as I hadn't had time to practice, but remembering what happened at the last GT race at St. Jovite in my tricky Mirage, I set up the Lola in a more conservative fashion, with slight understeer on entry to a corner but controllable oversteer when I lifted off the throttle and put the power down hard. The setup worked a treat and the Lola was an absolute peach to drive  Grin.

I managed to qualify 3rd, but over a second off Tim's blistering time and proceeded to hound Clive for the first half of the race, only to throw myself off the road whenever I got close  Undecided. Eventually, after my third attempt, Clive was having some trouble lapping a few cars, and I duly took advantage and passed after getting a good exit out the chicane. Tim was way too far ahead so I just raced my own race, looking after the engine and finished a happy 2nd.

Congrats to Tim on a fine win and Clive on a fighting 3rd. And congrats to the rest of the blue team for making it to the end as well  Smiley. Looking forward to the madness at Efexx.
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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2011, 04:01:48 PM +0100 »

Please be patient and allow the suspense to build (lol) whilst the backroom boys do their stuff.
Should now all be present and correct - look in the championship tables to see how the teams are doing.
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