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May 17, 2011, 09:40:00 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
DuFossa
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.568
117.889mph
1 (+1) 39:30.539
115.268mph
33 1:10.735
117.059mph
Goodyear  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 1 1:09.669
118.850mph
2 +1.003
115.219mph
33 1:10.233
117.896mph
Goodyear  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +1.032
117.116mph
3 +10.947
114.738mph
33 1:11.009
116.608mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.179
116.873mph
4 +21.622
114.226mph
33 1:11.331
116.081mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 +1.205
116.830mph
5 (+3) +24.730
114.077mph
33 1:10.817
116.924mph
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +0.832
117.448mph
6 (+1) +26.675
113.985mph
33 1:10.253
117.862mph
Dunlop  
maestro57
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +1.173
116.882mph
7 +32.841
113.692mph
33 1:10.911
116.769mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +1.212
116.818mph
8 +1:03.090
112.279mph
33 1:11.179
116.329mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 3 +0.758
117.571mph
9 (+1) +41.364
113.291mph
33 1:10.065
118.179mph
Dunlop  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 15 +1.450
116.427mph
10 +54.896
112.659mph
33 1:12.029
114.956mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 17 +1.738
115.958mph
11 (+2) +1L
110.709mph
32 1:11.561
115.708mph
Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +1.038
117.106mph
12 +5.921
110.436mph
32 1:11.266
116.187mph
Dunlop  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +1.323
116.636mph
13 +2L
111.764mph
31 1:11.312
116.112mph
Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 7 +1.107
116.991mph
14 +1:20.044
108.000mph
31 1:10.838
116.889mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +1.443
116.439mph
15 (+3) +25L
105.543mph
8 1:12.121
114.810mph
accident
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +1.110
116.987mph
16 +30L
104.163mph
3 1:12.126
114.802mph
accident
Dunlop  
economia
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 16 +1.717
115.992mph
17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
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Moderator's Report

After the bumper cars left Monaco, the organisers at Watkins Glen agreed to let the Novices race there as it was wide open countryside and there couldn't possibly be any crashes on such a fast and flowing track.........................

A couple of drivers now need to keep their noses clean as their incident portfolios are filling up.


Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Martin follows RogUK towards T1 and as the field slow for the corner, Martin does not react quickly enough and hits RogUK launching him into the air.
RogUK is sent into the air and is unavoidably hit when he lands.
Unfortunately his great recovery drive is marred by the fact that he did not take a Top n Go following his SHIFT-R.


Server replay time: 0h00m56s

Fran follows PMaestro through the Esses and runs into the back of him.
Fran was aiming at a gap that was always going to close and had no overlap at turn in.


Server replay time: 0h01m18s

Norbert goes to pass Norm on the inside into the scoop.
Norm loses control slightly on the brakes over the hill and moves right.
Norbert keeps tight and leaves room on the outside but Norm turns into him.
Only Norm is affected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m20s

Fran makes another pass attempt at the Esses, this time on Nigel.
This one is a more legitimate attempt than his earlier one as Nigel is sliding wide and leaving a gap.
Unfortunately Fran does not keep to that gap and slides into Nigel on his half of the track.
He considers pitting to repair his helmet after driving on it for a few yards but he finds the breeze rushing through his hair quite refreshing.


Server replay time: 0h03m12s

RogUK pulls off the overtake of the race, his 3rd of 5 on that lap when he passes Blito into Big Bend.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m16s

Martin follows Billy through the 90 but Billy runs wide and is slow out.
Martin doesn't leave Billy any room but Billy is off the track at this point so is perhaps not entitled to it.
The two touch and Billy continues unaffected while a recovering Martin suffers a warp contact from AlBaldwin who passes him.
He then suffers a second contact as Paul passes him.
Paul tries to avoid him but Martin is still spinning.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m39s

Axel looks to pass Fabio on the inside going in to the scoop but loses control under braking and hits Fabio
The shunter had lost control on the approach to the braking zone.


Server replay time: 0h03m57s

Norm's pit crew release him into the path of Nigel who is also exiting the pits.
The incident could have been avoided if both had been quicker into and out of their respective pit stops.
A stop and go means simply that, you do not have to wait for a period of time.
Take two bottles into the shower? Not any more, now I just Stop and Go.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h11m25s

Nigel passes a recovering and unpredictable Martin in the Esses but loses control and the two collide.
Norm has no reaction time or anywhere to go and hits Martin.
Nigel then goes for a drive through the countryside after which he decides to rejoin the race that recently broke out.
Martin retires following the incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h25m10s

BadBlood tries to pass Blito at the 90 but leaves it too late and makes a late and desperate lunge for a gap that was always going to close when Blito turned in, which he had every right to do as Paul had no overlap and came from a long way back.


Server replay time: 0h31m52s

Axel runs wide through the 90 and is slow on to start-finish as Fabio gets a better exit.
Fabio tries to go to the outside to avoid Axel but doesn't give himself enough room and hits him.
Fabio sees Axel's incident developing and says he could not avoid it as he was on full throttle.
At no point did Fabio lift to avoid what was a very avoidable incident.
When recovering from this incident Fabio takes to the racing line and Karliss narrowly avoids hitting him.


Server replay time: 0h32m00s

Du Fossa goes into The Esses and is being shown waved yellows but does not reduce speed at all. He guesses that the incident will be on the outside and keeps a tight line but unfortunately for him, Paul is sat against the inside barrier and Du Fossa hits him.
He is thrown into the outside barriers but continues after a spin.


Server replay time: 0h33m20s

Axel is recovering from a spin at Big Bend, and as he takes back to the track Fran has to move to avoid him.
Fran continues unaffected but Axel suffers a warp contact and spins.


Server replay time: 0h33m45s

Axel takes a Stop n Go for his earlier reset but sits in the pits for too long.
A Stop n Go just requires you to come to a complete stop and then go straight away.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h40m20s

Fabio spins at Big Bend and drives back on to the track where the racing line is.
He can hear Paul's approaching Honda but keeps going.
Paul was not shown any yellow flags approaching the incident but tries to give Fabio enough clearance, however Fabio is now blocking the track and Paul hits him.

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« on: May 15, 2011, 12:04:58 PM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 21 65 Novices Trophy
Race 2 Watkins Glen

Round 2 of the Novices takes us to the U S of A. Watkins Glen International ("The Glen") is an auto race track located near Watkins Glen, New York, at the southern tip of Seneca Lake. It was long known around the world as the home of the United States Grand Prix, which it hosted for 20 consecutive years (1961–1980). In the early years races passed through the heart of the town with spectators lining the sidewalks, but after a car left the road in a 1952 race, killing one spectator and injuring several others, the race was moved to a new location on a wooded hilltop southwest of town.

Later a permanent race course was constructed on 550 acres, overlapping part of the previous course. Despite improvements, the circuit became unable to safely handle the increasingly faster and stiffer ground effect cars of the late 70s and a few horrendous, sometimes fatal accidents and increasingly rowdy segments of the crowd began to tarnish its image. Finally, in May, 1981, several months after Alan Jones had won the 1980 race for Williams, the International Auto Sports Federation removed the race from its schedule because the track had failed to pay its debts to the teams.

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

All drivers should continue to use the chassis that they started the season with. The only exception is Blito who chose the BRM because of a server glitch with the BT11.

FULL TIME
DRIVER  
 CHASSIS  
Billy NoBrakes
BT11
Nigel Smith
Honda
Maddog
Cooper
Il_Lupo
Ferrari
HappyAl
Ferrari
NHance
BT7
Norbert
1
Blito
1
RogUK
Cooper
BadBlood
Honda
Francesco
Ferrari
Karliss
Honda
Cookie
Lotus
DuFossa
2
Economia
BRM
JonnyO
Lotus

RESERVE
DRIVER  
 CHASSIS  
Maestro
3
Bookie
1
Fragfritz
1
GTA66
1

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 17/05/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Watkins Glen
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 33 laps
Password: see above

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/d8dECl

Driver lists can be found on the Novice Championship Page
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 12:49:12 PM +0100 »

All drivers should continue to use the chassis that they started the season with. The only exception is Blito who chose the BRM because of a server glitch with the BT11.

What glitch? And BRM is noticeably faster than the BT11, if you want a car which is about on par with BT11 it's Honda.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 01:13:37 PM +0100 »

I had intended to use the BT11 but had an issue with the cockpit graphics on the brab and so switched to BRM at the last minute. To be fair I`ll probably stick to the BRM anyway as I just as happy with that as I am the BT11, or last seasons Ferrari for that matter!
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 05:15:15 PM +0100 »

And BRM is noticeably faster than the BT11, if you want a car which is about on par with BT11 it's Honda.

So the BRM is noticeably quicker than the Honda? Bugger.  laugh
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 05:49:30 PM +0100 »

And BRM is noticeably faster than the BT11, if you want a car which is about on par with BT11 it's Honda.

So the BRM is noticeably quicker than the Honda? Bugger.  laugh

Yes, definitelly, and as you may recall you and Nige had free car choice this season. I know Nige is a hardcore Honda fanatic, but you wanted to try different cars, no? I guess you're stuck with the Honda now though, again.  Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2011, 07:01:35 PM +0100 »

I am quite fond of my whale.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 10:18:33 AM +0100 »

OK After a bit of advice now. I have a basic setup for the Honda which is stable but intrinsically slow but that is OK. Downloaded a setup for the Glen to compare. Normally I set my cambers -0.5 all round to keep it nice and even and tweak it if the tyre temps are bad. They normally aren't...

SO this nice shiny setup is hugely unstable and undriveable for me but it has more positive cambers on the right side so I basically halve the cambers on the right and slightly lower the wheel rates on the left. Bingo. I take a second off my PB and suddenly I can lap consistently in the sub 1:12s. Previously my PB was 1:12:82 and I would normally be mid 1:13's. Did five laps between 1:11.5 and 1:12.2. Much better. So far so good. It is nice and stable so I will not play around too much but I am still not sure I have got the gearing right.

I seem to hover around 11500 rpm around T2/T3 and I have to wait until the back straight to change up to 6th. It feels like it wants to change up in the corner and I would like that to be smoother so how do you achieve that.

I have a Diff of 9/37, 60/30 with 2 clutches and gears of 13.3ish, 9.98, 8.51, 7.19, 6.49, 5.82. Do I shorten 5th so as to not reach the change point in the corner or lengthen it to change earlier or does hovering around the change point in the corner not matter too much. Seems whatever I do I max out at about 154mph at the end of the long straight with 151/2 ish at the back of the big bend.

I can obviously play with them and 'feel' the difference but I'd like to understand the theory as well, if anyone knows or is it just personal preference/driving style as with driving setups suiting some but not others?

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 02:54:21 PM +0100 »

Good job, Paul. 11500 is way too high for mid-corner revs though, considering you should change up a gear at around 12000-12200 (max 12500, but I rarely go up to that, except in top gear). My simple guideline is to set the gear just so you have to change up as soon as you exit the corner and start going straight. It won't be possible for all corners, so you'd have to short-shift or mid-corner shift sometimes, but avoid going above the optimal max rpm as that loses you speed.

For Watkins in particular I think you should take The Loop in 4th, not 5th. Set 5th so you max it out shortly after you exit the long right-hand sweeper after the Esses and then change up to 6th without a big revs drop. I'm not sure, but you can probably take the first part of the Esses in 4th and then change up to 5th as you turn left over the crest. The gear change itself would give you some momentary grip at the front which will make it easier to turn in.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 02:59:13 PM +0100 »

Thanks mate. Just what I needed.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 09:26:03 PM +0100 »

Hmm Interesting. Adjusted the gears and found that I was slipping in the corners and understeer had increased. Adjusted the camber a bit and the roll bars until the tyre temperatures were nice and even but I just can't get the bloody thing to turn in. With the original setup the right front stays relatively cool and the left front gets VERY hot. Front roll bar stiffer to keep the car more level in the right handers?? This setup lark is hard and no matter what I do I can't seem to go faster than 1:11.5 ish but frankly consistent 1:11/1:12s in the race would be a quantum leap in performance.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 10:06:53 PM +0100 »

Doing 1:11s every lap will net you a good result at Watkins.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 10:24:20 PM +0100 »

So,this time i must use the Lotus instead of the Ferrari.Right?
Not clear why but i obey. Grin
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 10:48:50 PM +0100 »

Doing 1:11s every lap will net you a good result at Watkins.

I always like to throw in the odd 1:26 in there  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 11:35:21 PM +0100 »

So,this time i must use the Lotus instead of the Ferrari.Right?
Not clear why but i obey. Grin

Sorry, no. I made a mistake. Use the Ferrari.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2011, 08:41:28 AM +0100 »

still dont know do i will be able to race toninght...
anyway didnt pratice since last fryday
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is it posible, that previous race time wraps was affected, that one car run ontrack before 30min mark?
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