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  • S21PSC Kyalami: July 01, 2011
July 01, 2011, 10:26:36 PM +0100 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
MagicArsouille
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.699
110.717mph
2 51:57.598
108.714mph
37 1:22.570
110.938mph
Dunlop  
clouds
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +0.881
110.474mph
3 +1.772
108.652mph
37 1:23.312
109.950mph
Dunlop  
Tom van Ostade
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +0.865
110.495mph
4 +14.857
108.198mph
37 1:22.659
110.819mph
Dunlop  
jhalli
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +1.523
109.625mph
5 +15.449
108.178mph
37 1:22.899
110.498mph
Dunlop  
andrwe
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +1.507
109.646mph
6 +47.611
107.079mph
37 1:23.485
109.722mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +2.296
108.620mph
7 (+3) +1L
106.266mph
36 1:24.134
108.876mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +1.817
109.241mph
8 +8.959
105.960mph
36 1:24.591
108.288mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +2.230
108.705mph
9 +17.504
105.670mph
36 1:24.728
108.113mph
Dunlop  
blito
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +2.898
107.851mph
10 +2L
103.883mph
35 1:24.705
108.142mph
Dunlop  
RBald
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +2.994
107.729mph
11 +1:03.700
101.782mph
35 1:25.650
106.949mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 17 +7.448
102.367mph
12 +4L
96.658mph
33 1:28.202
103.855mph
Disco
Dunlop  
norbert
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 14 +3.086
107.612mph
13 +7L
103.063mph
30 1:26.625
105.745mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +2.191
108.756mph
14 +20L
106.126mph
17 1:24.291
108.673mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Geoff65
 SuperCup Clark-Hill
Porsche 910 GT 1967 15 +3.229
107.432mph
15 +26L
101.513mph
11 1:25.364
107.307mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Rainier
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 16 +4.256
106.153mph
16 +27L
103.138mph
10 1:26.571
105.811mph
Disco
Dunlop  
vosblod
 SuperCup Clark-Hill
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +2.316
108.595mph
17 +37L
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Disco
Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Porsche 910 GT 1967 18 18 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:22.036
111.660mph
Excluded +0L
109.986mph
37 1:22.164
111.486mph
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Our intrepid Porsche drivers wanted to test the top speed of their chariots on the long straight of Kyalami. Unfortunately it also has some corners too which seemed to confuse one or two of them.

Nicky felt the need to overtake by going through rather than around and Clive decided to test out the Rally Cross course but found it to be much overrated and eventually returned to the tarmac.


Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Hristo is seen to drive through the pit wall and at one point half of his car is on the wrong side of it.
The rules about the pit wall are very clear. All drivers are requested to have it in place so that everybody has the same amount of track available to them.
Drivers are able to race without it but if they cross the line where the pit wall should be then they are using a wider track that is not available to anyone else and they gain an unfair advantage.

Tom may or may not have had the wall in place but as he follows Hristo away from the start he is extremely close to it without actually crossing it.

Hristo - DQ


Server replay time: 0h01m31s

Nicky gets a run on Vos at Sunset but does not have any overlap at turn in. Vos takes the racing line and closes the gap where Nicky's nose is.

There is contact and Vos is punted off.

Vos has asked for no penalty to be given and Nicky has apologised so I will waive the penalty for the collision, but as this was lap 1 when all drivers are asked to be extra careful I will still apply the Lap 1 incident penalty place.


Server replay time: 0h32m56s

Jason is being lapped by Tom and Hristo and gets hit by Tom at The Esses.

The two leaders catch Jason at Sunset and Tom closes right up on him through the Esses just as Jason has a wobble at the apex and is slow out giving Tom little time to react as he is so close. Tom recovers but Hristo nips through and takes the lead that he would keep.

Jason could possibly have let the leaders past before Clubhouse but probably between Clubhouse and The Esses, however he may have been waiting for a much better opportunity where he could let both past on the longest straight in GPL.

It is not possible to see Blue Flags on replays so it is difficult to know if Jason had ignored them, and of so, how many?

Tom and Hristo feel Jason should have let them by sooner but Jason feels a little patience from Tom would have paid off and he would have let them both by cleanly. I think both are valid arguments and both could face a penalty.

This incident is perhaps more notorious for Jason's Vodka fuelled report that all moderators have printed, laminated and stuck on their walls. High up where the children can't read it of course.

Our rules say that moderators need to use discretion in all such Blue Flag cases and I will try to use a little more discretion and a little less vodka than Jason who said (among other things)

"Is this the Kya Porka race? ...."

"Full respect TO .... whatever his nabme is for for me foe me foero me for pushing me outta thae way on lap, Iduuno 26 or sumthing, .... pld fella! BTW I'm pissed - saturday night aint a good time for reAsoned debate :)"

"[forgive the spelling but tnis vodka is very strong""""!!!!)"

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Server replay time: 0h45m07s

Nicky rear ends Roberto as he is lapping him along the straight.

Roberto has stayed right and given Nicky the racing line but Nicky is trying to get a little extra slipstream and simply moves across to pass too late, hitting Roberto.

Both continue.

As Norbert approaches the aftermath of the collision he slows but Hristo who is behind him does not and just manages to squeeze through the gap between the stricken Roberto and the careful Norbert.

If Hristo had made contact with either one of them he could well have faced a penalty for a lack of care approaching an incident even though he was not shown any yellows.


Server replay time: 0h45m50s

Nicky has his third incident of the race while being lapped by Hristo who seems a little impatient and goes for a pass expecting Nicky to stay wide.

Nicky thinks it is a pass for position and takes the racing line but makes contact with Hristo before being knocked from the track.

Hristo continues apparently unaffected and Nicky recovers.

  • Racing incident

July 01, 2011, 11:02:22 PM +0100 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
tom_g
 SuperCup LOL'Team 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:21.613
112.202mph
1 51:25.763
109.799mph
37 1:21.836
111.896mph
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +1.675
109.946mph
2 +38.537
108.445mph
37 1:23.195
110.068mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +1.758
109.836mph
3 +56.070
107.840mph
37 1:23.443
109.741mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +1.589
110.059mph
4 +1:04.082
107.565mph
37 1:23.339
109.878mph
Dunlop  
Caracciola
 SuperCup LOL'Team 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +2.591
108.749mph
5 +1L
106.466mph
36 1:24.995
107.737mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +2.343
109.071mph
6 +8.547
106.173mph
36 1:24.672
108.148mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +2.065
109.433mph
7 +35.852
105.247mph
36 1:24.427
108.462mph
Dunlop  
DuFossa
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +3.490
107.601mph
8 +2L
103.750mph
35 1:25.493
107.110mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +4.789
105.983mph
9 +33.398
102.641mph
35 1:27.042
105.204mph
Dunlop  
Stefano62
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 16 +6.018
104.497mph
10 +3L
99.779mph
34 1:27.142
105.083mph
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +3.833
107.169mph
11 (+2) +8L
104.055mph
29 1:25.668
106.891mph
Disco
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +4.708
106.082mph
12 +11L
101.990mph
26 1:26.260
106.157mph
Disco
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +4.676
106.122mph
13 +25L
103.075mph
12 1:26.229
106.196mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Roberto Vianna
 SuperCup LOL'Team 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 14 +4.963
105.770mph
14 +26L
95.883mph
11 1:26.564
105.785mph
accident
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +3.298
107.844mph
15 +34L
99.377mph
3 1:27.420
104.749mph
accident
Dunlop  
s2173
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 15 +5.277
105.388mph
16 +25.220
91.068mph
3 1:28.952
102.945mph
Disco
Dunlop  
8 GPG
 
Porsche 910 GT 1967 17 17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h01m03s

Jonny O goes too hot into Crowthorne on Lap 1 trying a pass on Fabio. He takes to the grass on the inside and Fabio has a little wobble, either in reaction to the move or a because of a slight loss of control. This wobble unsettles Hendy who taps Fabio before taking to the grass on the outside.

Jonny got away with it but he was way too hot into T1 on Lap when we always ask drivers to take extra care.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m15s

Clive has spun at Crowthorne and tries to rejoin before Barbeque, but on lap 1 and with all of the field now making their way past this is a very risky move and he would be well advised to either wait or rejoin after Barbeque.

To be fair to Clive he does join off the racing line on the outside of the bend hoping everybody else will be on the inside where the racing line is, but unfortunately Fabio seems to be going too fast to make Barbeque and looks to be going wide anyway before he hits Clive who drives back on track right in front of him.

I'm going to waive the rejoin penalty for Clive as he did take precautions to join safely, and I am not going to penalise Fabio for the contact as he did not expect Clive to rejoin in front of him.

You will be glad to know that Clive did eventually make it back on to the track, somewhere between Jukskei and Sunset.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m20s

While Clive and Fabio are having their issues, Skymole is having issues of his own, and considering that this is lap 1 in a Pro race where damage can mean retirement, he is taking far too many risks.

He attempts a pass on the inside at Jukskei that he gives up by taking to the grass and then Sunset where he goes from the grass on the left, all the way across the track to the inside and passes 2 cars.


Server replay time: 0h01m55s

Du Fossa spins at The Esses and is hit by Stefano as he blocks the track.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m12s

Hendy gets way too close to Roberto Vianna into the Leeukops bend and shunts him from behind.

This kind of incident is easily avoided and is needless as they are about to enter the longest straight in GPL where a pass will be possible without needing to close right up here.


Server replay time: 0h17m37s

Du Fossa and Fran head for T1 with Du Fossa ahead on the inside but Fran does his usual late brake and draws level on the outside.

As they make their way around the corner Fran moves slightly over the centre line into Du Fossa's side just as Du Fossa oversteers slightly knocking Fran from the circuit.

Fran was always taking a risk by going around the outside of this corner but having said that, the server shows no actual contact with Du Fossa keeping a tight line.

Fran submitted a replay that shows Du Fossa moving towards him and making clear contact.

This is as clear case of warp as you will ever see so any penalty shall be mitigated.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:21.613
112.215mph
tom_g
Qualifying
Porsche 910July 01, 2011, 11:02:22 PM +0100
S21PSC
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:21.836
111.909mph
tom_g
Race
Porsche 910July 01, 2011, 11:02:22 PM +0100
S21PSC
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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2011, 07:24:25 PM +0100 »

The password should appear at the top of this page, just above all the high scores.


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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2011, 07:28:39 PM +0100 »

Hmm! I do not know.
 Need to enter the chat to get the password?

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I don't see you in the system, you need to vote in the poll at the top of the registration thread

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9197.0

Once you vote there an admin will add you and the password will be revealed at the top of this race thread.
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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2011, 07:34:34 PM +0100 »

Hmm! I do not know.
 Roberto

One other thing, just in case. Because you are a reserve driver, then if Tristan, Dave and I are all there tonight, I don't think you can drive for our team. If Dave or Tristan don't appear then you can automatically drive for us. I am not sure what the rules are about you driving for another team if LoL2 doesn't have room for you.

I told Tristan I was available earlier in the week, he didn't say anything about who else was driving tonight.



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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2011, 07:53:31 PM +0100 »

No problem, if it fails to run, patience!
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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2011, 08:09:29 PM +0100 »

Already voted, I do right?
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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2011, 08:28:22 PM +0100 »

Already voted, I do right?
You should now be able to see the password and welcome to UKGPL.
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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2011, 08:35:25 PM +0100 »

Welcome indeed Roberto!
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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2011, 10:26:30 PM +0100 »

Well, that was rubbish. Caught up in 2 other drivers spins in only 14 laps, not a bad average. Tried to avoid Vos spinning at Crowthorne, only succeeded in following him and tapping him on the nose. Chased a pre-spun Jason for a few laps and we caught a group of cars ahead of us comprising Norbert, Dave Rainier and I think Ronnie a 1/2 second or so ahead. And as always happens as soon as you catch a small group someone bloody spins and blocks the track. Had to take avoiding action to miss Norbert who rolled backwards into my chosen tight line off Crowthorne, and lost it cracking the bank on the outside. Soon after I got going again, it dropped a cylinder and that was goodnight nurse. Drove it up the bank at Crowthorne to spectate for a while. Not happy Jan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2akt3P8ltLM
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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2011, 10:32:35 PM +0100 »

I did all of 1 minute 33 seconds before feeling a bump, seeing a spin (mine) then losing a wheel. Not a good night for Clark-Hill it seems.
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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2011, 10:35:55 PM +0100 »

Not a good night for Clark-Hill it seems.

A master of understatement lad....... lol
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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2011, 11:03:43 PM +0100 »

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Not happy Jan.

Not exactly what Hawkeye would have said  Grin

(Just noticed your avatar ) I was spectating at Oulton on that very sad day   Sad
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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2011, 12:38:19 AM +0100 »

Absolutely knackered. Drove for a finish and gained some points from people falling off. Not exactly Schumacher but it was cobblers... Cheesy The import then took a couple of hours <yawn>

Getting you guys on the right servers is very hard. Makes my cat-herding job seem easy Wink

Also I could do without losing the server password again... that'll learn me to use caching.

Thanks to Fulvio (again) and well done all on joining the right servers with the right car (mostly) and the right profile (mostly).

I think I might skip Sunday - I've had enough of South Africa...
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« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2011, 05:00:53 AM +0100 »

It was very gratifying to participate in this race!
 Too bad it was short lived. Problems newbie eh eh eh
 Thank you for the welcome received.
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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2011, 07:20:05 AM +0100 »

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Not happy Jan.

Not exactly what Hawkeye would have said  Grin

(Just noticed your avatar ) I was spectating at Oulton on that very sad day   Sad

Yeah, I'd never heard of Paul Hawkins until I was searching for some information that I've forgotten about now. I came across by accident a short Bio on Paul and found that he was a born and bred Melbourne boy just like myself. I found it ludicrous that I had never heard mention of the man's name anywhere in motor racing circles. You have to understand I suppose, that as far as the motor racing media is concerned nobody rates any mention at all unless they're from NSW. Sir Jack is from NSW, as are Gardner, Doohan, Stoner, Bayliss and many more that I can't recall at this time. Paul was a world class sportscar driver, having won Targa in '67 I think and class wins at  LeMans more than once, and totally anonymous in his own home town. He obviously didn't belong to the right clique to get any recognition. A very sad loss indeed, who knows how many 24Hour races he could have won without having his career fatally shortened.
 
http://www.racingsportscars.com/driver/photo/Paul-Hawkins-AUS.html
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Nurburgring-1967-05-28.html
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1967/Nurburgring-1967-05-28-019.jpg

Worth a look when you have the time. Might speak with my brother Mods about the possibility of a single Paul Hawkins Memorial Sportscar Classic at the end of the season. He was driving for the Porsche factory team for a while it seems in the 910.
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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2011, 08:51:59 AM +0100 »

Hello

Kyalami was my first race on UKGPL.
I really enjoy it, even if it was very difficult !
First, my PC rebooted when I try to connect for qualifying ...and everything was OK with my computer only 6 minutes before the start of the race.

After 11 laps, I was not disconnected as it is indicated in the race report on top of the page, but I loose a wheel after hitting the wall to avoid another racer (Stemmler ?) who spun just in front of me on V1.

Congratulation to my team mate Tristan "magicarsouille" Bot who finish 2nd and to all drivers for this nice race !

See you on next race
Dave "Prostwasthebest" Rainier   Wink
 
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