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  • S21PSC Mexico City: July 29, 2011
July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.164
102.336mph
1 (+4) 49:50.116
100.976mph
27 1:48.821
102.761mph
Dunlop  
clouds
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:49.109
102.490mph
2 (+2) +0.753
100.950mph
27 1:49.256
102.352mph
Dunlop  
jhalli
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +1.572
101.034mph
3 (+2) +1:39.807
97.714mph
27 1:50.390
101.300mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +3.158
99.607mph
4 +1:55.315
97.226mph
27 1:53.329
98.673mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 SuperCup LOL\'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +2.146
100.513mph
5 +1L
97.109mph
26 1:52.479
99.419mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 SuperCup LOL\'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +5.081
97.929mph
6 +14.270
96.648mph
26 1:53.630
98.412mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +3.718
99.112mph
7 +25.099
96.302mph
26 1:53.457
98.562mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 14 +6.797
96.480mph
8 +1:36.545
94.075mph
26 1:55.935
96.455mph
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +5.487
97.582mph
9 +1:38.514
94.016mph
26 1:55.945
96.447mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 15 +12.385
92.042mph
10 +3L
88.576mph
24 2:01.199
92.266mph
Disco
Dunlop  
maddog
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 18 11 +8L
93.637mph
19 1:54.463
97.696mph
Disco
Dunlop  
blito
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +5.996
97.151mph
12 +12L
87.529mph
15 2:03.360
90.650mph
Disco
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 SuperCup LOL\'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +0.318
102.192mph
13 (+1) +20L
99.911mph
7 1:50.361
101.327mph
Disco
Dunlop  
RBald
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 19 14 +2:00.225
86.619mph
7 2:01.783
91.824mph
Disco
Dunlop  
andrwe
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +2.323
100.353mph
15 +24L
93.108mph
3 1:53.434
98.582mph
Disco
Dunlop  
francesco
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +6.175
97.000mph
16 (+2) +25L
85.484mph
2 2:02.029
91.639mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +3.400
99.393mph
17 +26L
92.028mph
1 1:58.400
94.447mph
Disco
Dunlop  
DuFossa
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 16 +12.770
91.751mph
18 +15.269
81.755mph
1 2:06.897
88.123mph
Disco
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 
Porsche 910 GT 1967 20 19 DNS ---
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Porsche 910 GT 1967 17 20 ---
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Moderator's Report

Mexico is the scene of many great races in the past for UKGPL and this was no different.

Surely a track this wide meant there was room for everyone so it should be a fairly easy moderation.........

Tempers seemed a little frayed at times on track which in the heat of battle is normal as long as we keep within the limits of our Sporting Regulations, but tempers getting frayed in the forums and chat room after the race crosses the line of conduct and gives a poor impression of the tight but welcoming community that we have built up at UKGPL over a period of years.

On to the race then which all moderators have reviewed following the furore that surrounded it.


Server replay time: 0h03m20s

Hristo is swatting a fly that has got into his cockpit.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m35s

Juha brakes too late at the chicane and runs into the back of Hristo. Whether or not Hristo was slower than normal because of traffic in front of him it is Juha's responsibility to avoid a collision.


Server replay time: 0h03m42s

Hristo ends up facing the wrong way at the hairpin after Juha's touch and he is desperate to get going again.

He can clearly see back along the track and see that cars are approaching but he attempts to spin and rejoin in front of them. It is not up to the approaching drivers to allow him room to rejoin, he must find a clear piece of track to drive back into, even if that means waiting for a gap in the traffic and losing positions.


Server replay time: 0h04m40s

Andreas overtakes Fran who goes too tight knowing that Andreas is there which contributes to his demise as he is pushed left with a warp contact.

Fran ends up riding the top of the rail around Peralta and his three wheel Porsche is out of control as his car comes back onto the track in front of Blito who has nowhere to go.

Fran rolls and then tries to recover onto the racing line where Paul is now fast approaching and hits him with no way to avoid him.


Server replay time: 0h07m31s

Andreas hits Arf who blocks half of the track.
Andreas saw Arf early enough and could perhaps have done more to avoid him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h14m55s

Tristan seems aggressive into the right hander but is equally so on other laps when he takes the same line but he does take a risk as he could see Hristo in his mirrors on the approach going for the inside.

I think Tristan is surprised by Paul's lower exit speed here and expects him to be quicker, even though it is the second time he has lapped him. As a result he gets it completely wrong, hits the barrier and bounces back into Paul.

"In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over."

Hristo then hits Tristan.


Server replay time: 0h28m45s

Sergio and Hristo fast approach T1 and aim to lap BB at the same time.
Sergio loses control under braking and Hristo takes advantage by nipping through on the inside.
Sergio fights to recover and keep to the inside but he suffers what appears to be a slight warp from Hristo as the server shows no contact.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h42m15s

Hristo moves to the inside under braking for the hairpin but has no overlap at turn in and should back out of the move.
Hristo feels that Sergio blocks by turning in early, but Sergio takes the same tight line on other occasions (lap 25 for example).


Server replay time: 0h42m20s

Sergio retakes the lead at the next chicane and Hristo touches the back of him as his exit speed is higher than Sergio's.
As only Hristo is affected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h47m47s

Sergio makes a late braking move up the inside of the hairpin.
He has no overlap at turn in and does get the car stopped and around but only by hitting Hristo in the process.


Server replay time: 0h48m16s

Sergio loses control through the esses and is unpredictable as he exits the final left hander.
Hristo goes to make a pass as Sergio attempts to recover control and just clips Sergio.

  • Racing incident

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Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:49.109
102.490mph
clouds
Qualifying
Porsche 910July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100
S21PSC
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:48.821
102.761mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Porsche 910July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100
S21PSC
July 29, 2011, 10:46:41 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:50.031
101.641mph
1 50:20.148
99.981mph
27 1:50.251
101.438mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.985
100.739mph
2 +39.717
98.684mph
27 1:52.080
99.783mph
Dunlop  
Pedro vd Berg
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +1.479
100.293mph
3 +48.146
98.413mph
27 1:51.946
99.902mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +2.420
99.454mph
4 +1:01.473
97.987mph
27 1:52.503
99.408mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +3.292
98.688mph
5 +1:30.783
97.064mph
27 1:53.122
98.864mph
Dunlop  
norbert
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +5.328
96.947mph
6 +10L
93.960mph
17 1:55.122
97.146mph
Disco
Dunlop  
vosblod
 SuperCup Clark-Hill
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +7.039
95.530mph
7 +23L
82.025mph
4 2:01.327
92.178mph
Disco
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +3.969
98.102mph
8 +25L
92.779mph
2 1:56.232
96.218mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Caracciola
 SuperCup LOL\'Team 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +2.267
99.589mph
9 +26L
92.123mph
1 1:59.345
93.709mph
Disco
Dunlop  
s2173
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +6.209
96.212mph
10 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
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Moderator's Report

No reported incidents and a clean lap 1.

Just like the other server perhaps?

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« on: July 29, 2011, 01:33:21 AM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 21 Porsche Super Cup
Race 7 Mexico

Welcome to race 7 of the Porsche Super Cup which takes us to the drug capital of the world, Mexico, which hosts the highest circuit of the season in front of the lines of armed police with the dark sunglasses and only white tyres for protection.

Mexico has a very difficult T1 for a full grid, and accidents to the outside or at the chicane tend to come back onto the track because of the barriers and notorious polos. The wide Start Finish straight tempts the unwary into trying to go two or even three abreast but be careful and don't forget that lap 1 incidents attract an extra penalty place.

Tyres are cold at the start, your control will suffer- and if you are on the inside be aware that there may be a car outside you, if on the outside don't get stuck on the armco.

Please see the Porsche Super Cup registration thread for an explanation of the Team Setups:
http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9197.msg166098#msg166098

1 TEAM NAME - Pasti Porsche - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Tom Van Ostade
Driver 2 - Am - Nicky Ickx
Driver 3 - Nov - Norbert

2 TEAM NAME - Porsche International - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Juha Hallikainen
Driver 2 - Nov - Ronniepeterson
Driver 3 - Nov - Axel Cookie

3 TEAM NAME - Clark Hill - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Am - Geoff Heard
Driver 2 - Am - Steve Bird
Driver 3 - Am - Vlad Vosblod
Reserve - Nov - Happy Al

4 TEAM NAME - Hiki-Waza 1 - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Hristo
Driver 2 - Nov - Paul
Driver 3 - Nov - Blito

5 TEAM NAME - Hiki-Waza 2 - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Evil Clive
Driver 2 - Nov - Nigel Smith
Driver 3 - Nov - Karliss

6 TEAM NAME - Black Knight - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - G Jonsson
Driver 2 - Am - Pedro
Driver 3 - Nov - il_lupo_mannaro

7 TEAM NAME - Team Coyote - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Raoni Frizzo
Driver 2 - Nov - Jonny'O
Driver 3 - Nov - Du Fossa

8 TEAM NAME - Team 7 - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Fulvio Policardi
Driver 2 - Am - Bob Whitwell
Driver 3 - Nov - s2173

9 TEAM NAME - Team GPFun - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro - Andrea Tendas
Driver 2 - Am - Sergio Lonzar
Driver 3 - Nov - Roberto Baldassarri
Reserve - Am - Gianni Sellitto

10 TEAM NAME - Pastit Porsche - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Am - Phil Thornton
Driver 2 - Am - Natan
Driver 3 - Nov - Francesco

11 TEAM NAME - LOL'Team 1 - SERVER 2
Driver 1 - Pro - Tom Guérout
Driver 2 - Am - Eric Goubinat
Driver 3 - Nov - Maxime Lenclen
Reserve - Eric Daon

12 TEAM NAME - LOL' Team 2 - SERVER 1
Driver 1 - Pro Tristan Bot
Driver 2 - Am - Dave Rainier
Driver 3 - Nov - Arf Arf Arf
Reserve - Roberto Vianna

All drivers may join the server immediately but are asked not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Porsche Super Cup Races will be run across 2 Servers, under Pro rules and will be approximately 50 minutes in length.
Lap 1 will be fully moderated and thereafter will be reported incidents only.

SERVER 1
Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 29/07/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Mexico
Variant = GT67
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 27 laps
Password: see above

SERVER 2
Race List = IGOR
Server = GPG_8
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Race date = 29/07/2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Mexico
Variant = GT67
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 27 laps
Password: see above

The Team Championship Standings can be found here:
http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=309&theme=6

GT67 Mod: The GT67 Mod for GPL can be downloaded here:
http://www.sportscarlegends.net/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 01:35:10 AM +0100 »

Apologies for the lateness of the race post.

Also, the Solitude mod is not yet completed as I have just got back from holidays.

I hope to do it over the weekend.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 02:18:48 AM +0100 »

Mea culpa  Embarrassed

Forgot to post the Novices until Sunday night as well...
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 09:15:41 AM +0100 »

T7 and GPG.8 servers are ready set for 27 laps Long race and listening on Igor.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 09:17:48 AM +0100 »

Stefano I sent you a PM.
Bob is on holiday this week, can you race this night or are you on holiday too?
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 09:52:29 PM +0100 »

Broken engine at 3rd lap when in 3rd place... censored
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 10:55:16 PM +0100 »

Not my best race. According to a news report some vandals had broken into the circuit overnight and poured glue all over the big gravel trap.
Finding myself stuck in it I was a mile down from the pack when I finally got out. The glue was still stuck to one wheel which affixed itself to the track and came off a little further on.
Not the best night for the CH team.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 11:00:44 PM +0100 »

not a best racing, first laps was close with Hristo,Sergio and Tristan. In the hairpin they slowed down and i hit Hristos car not intentionally, no place to go, sorry. Embarrassed

sorry for that another driver i cause to retire, my fault all.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 11:56:15 PM +0100 »

Really enjoyed the race. I thought it was over at the start of Lap 3 when a slow recovering car came across the track and I couldn't avoid him. Didn't help that he only had three wheels. Anyway, sorry Fran! Hefty biff but I was OK amazingly. Then had some fun racing Roberto and we passed each other about five times with mistakes matching mistakes  Wink but then he had a problem whilst being lapped and disappeared. I suspect it was Tristan. Jason had obviously also been involved in an incident because I caught him and he was SLOW on the straights. We had some nice laps together which were nip and tuck. Me on the ragged edge, him with a 2 stroke engine. Made it about even  Cheesy When he went out I inherited eleventh and that became tenth when I passed a stricken Martin.

I was fairly even paced about twelve seconds a lap behind the leaders  Grin and I got a major shock when Sergio and H appeared about two yards behind me. I was so wrapped up in my battle with Jason I forgot the leaders - didn't see any blue flags so thank goodness they are good enough to avoid me. Sorry boys.

Hope I was thoughtful enough for any others because I got lapped... a lot  Cheesy Fun though and as I said to Goran afterwards (sort of) "I am getting better. I am now just bad". Happy with my progress though and this season I am disappointed if I don't get some racing. Still plenty of lonely times though.

WD to everyone who finished.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2011, 12:28:09 AM +0100 »

As I'm going away for a few days**, just tried to submit my incident reports, but got a message saying the zip failed because "Error(s) while uploading attachments: Array (
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As such I do not know if the description of *that* incident has been uploaded or whether I need to do the whole thing again. Please advise mods. Thanks.

This was the most fun I've had in GPL thus far. For as long as it lasted, I'd just like to say thanks to Raoni for the one lap battle we had - several sensible decisions made by both of us on line and level of aggression. It ended at the hairpin on Lap 2...... I make no comment publicly on *that* incident, as tempers seemed high in iGor afterwards, and I don't wish to fan the flames. In MOD we trust......

Thanks also to my team mate Rainier who made the brilliant decision to accept I was faster and let me past after I span and caught him up - cheers!!! Delighted to see he came in behind me. If the race had been much longer you may just have caught me, cos my engine was dying....

..which is why I could not have caught Ronnie, despite getting closer and closer. Respect for the consistency of your lapping!! I was actually glad that H and Clouds lapped me just before the flag, as I knew that meant I didn't have to do another lap and P5 was secure. However, chasing him for lap after lap, having to be brave in the corners because I'd lost top end grunt, was thrilling.

And lastly, sorry that my spin contributed to Andrea's retirement on Lap 4. I didn't think I could move until you had passed, but it wasn't to be. I will submit an incident report and let the mods decide if I should have done anything differently.

Roll on Rouen!!

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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2011, 08:54:38 AM +0100 »

What happened to the grid on the second server, only 10 starters?Huh
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2011, 10:52:46 AM +0100 »

Quite a good race for me.  I only made 2 mistakes, the first one was when I was trying to stay ahead of JohnnyO.  I clipped a polo which caused me to spin and I rejoined behind JohnnyO and my team mate Martin (Maddog).  The second mistake was a spin on the next lap at T1.  By then I was a good 17 seconds behind Martin so I just settled down and tried to drive a consistent pace.  I watch prib and noticed Martin had got past JohnnyO to pick up more points for Pastit Porsche  clap

For the next 20 or so laps the gap to JohnnyO was pretty constant.  I past a couple of back markers and I got lapped by Sergio and Hristo (incredible pace from those 2) so it looked like the result was decided.  But then I passed Martin with a smoking engine Sad and then with just 2 laps to go prib showed JohnnyO was loosing ground.  So I pushed hard and managed to pass JohnnyO in the run down to T1 on the last lap.  I had Juha on my tail trying to lap me but I didn't want to pull over in case I lost the place to JohnnyO.  I don't think I held Juha back much and it wouldn't of affected the outcome, he was circulating on his own by then.

Unlucky Francesco, I saw you crash out at the last turn.  You were very quick up to that point.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2011, 11:31:55 AM +0100 »

Motor Racing is dangerous - I opted for the rear of the grid, to stay out of harm's way.  Then started round the bend, because the grid spacings were rather large!  This meant, the front row had a ten second lead, before the unviewable green flag flew! Undecided

I rummaged around at the rear of the field, looking for cars who'd misplaced their driver's, and snapped up several, in the early laps.  Then continued to circulate, without mingling, until the leader caught my mirror, followed by myself.  As he wafted by, my motor became discouraged, and commenced to smoke heavily.  I returned to the much practiced, limp mode, and gasped onward for another 2 or 3 laps, before expiring. Sad  

Thus are lives and championships, won and lost.  Well done Phil - live long and prosper!
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2011, 11:36:40 AM +0100 »

Several things to clear up.

I couldn't see the flag either Sad saw you twitch though Martin  Grin

I can't submit a replay either and I think that facility is not currently available to anyone. The server replay is available and the incident that Colin refers to (lap 1 hairpin) is captured on there. Don't forget that Lap 1 is fully moderated anyway so it will come under scrutiny.

Drivers should ensure that they have their client replays and we will find a different way to submit them. I am presently working on something for UKGPL_3 where drivers can upload a replay. Watch this space on that one.

The grid on server 2 was very thin because drivers didn't turn up sadly. We set the teams on the servers so that each team faces each other team once or twice so that there is a good mix. All the drivers on Server 1 turned up and only half the drivers on Server 2. Pity really.

Juha - Lap 1 - server shows no contact between H and yourself but we will report on it in good time.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2011, 12:05:44 PM +0100 »

Juha - Lap 1 - server shows no contact between H and yourself

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