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  • S21PSC Mexico City: July 29, 2011
July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.164
102.336mph
1 (+4) 49:50.116
100.976mph
27 1:48.821
102.761mph
Dunlop  
clouds
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:49.109
102.490mph
2 (+2) +0.753
100.950mph
27 1:49.256
102.352mph
Dunlop  
jhalli
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +1.572
101.034mph
3 (+2) +1:39.807
97.714mph
27 1:50.390
101.300mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +3.158
99.607mph
4 +1:55.315
97.226mph
27 1:53.329
98.673mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +2.146
100.513mph
5 +1L
97.109mph
26 1:52.479
99.419mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +5.081
97.929mph
6 +14.270
96.648mph
26 1:53.630
98.412mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +3.718
99.112mph
7 +25.099
96.302mph
26 1:53.457
98.562mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 14 +6.797
96.480mph
8 +1:36.545
94.075mph
26 1:55.935
96.455mph
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +5.487
97.582mph
9 +1:38.514
94.016mph
26 1:55.945
96.447mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 15 +12.385
92.042mph
10 +3L
88.576mph
24 2:01.199
92.266mph
Disco
Dunlop  
maddog
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 18 11 +8L
93.637mph
19 1:54.463
97.696mph
Disco
Dunlop  
blito
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +5.996
97.151mph
12 +12L
87.529mph
15 2:03.360
90.650mph
Disco
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +0.318
102.192mph
13 (+1) +20L
99.911mph
7 1:50.361
101.327mph
Disco
Dunlop  
RBald
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 19 14 +2:00.225
86.619mph
7 2:01.783
91.824mph
Disco
Dunlop  
andrwe
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +2.323
100.353mph
15 +24L
93.108mph
3 1:53.434
98.582mph
Disco
Dunlop  
francesco
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +6.175
97.000mph
16 (+2) +25L
85.484mph
2 2:02.029
91.639mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +3.400
99.393mph
17 +26L
92.028mph
1 1:58.400
94.447mph
Disco
Dunlop  
DuFossa
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 16 +12.770
91.751mph
18 +15.269
81.755mph
1 2:06.897
88.123mph
Disco
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 
Porsche 910 GT 1967 20 19 DNS ---
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Moderator's Report

Mexico is the scene of many great races in the past for UKGPL and this was no different.

Surely a track this wide meant there was room for everyone so it should be a fairly easy moderation.........

Tempers seemed a little frayed at times on track which in the heat of battle is normal as long as we keep within the limits of our Sporting Regulations, but tempers getting frayed in the forums and chat room after the race crosses the line of conduct and gives a poor impression of the tight but welcoming community that we have built up at UKGPL over a period of years.

On to the race then which all moderators have reviewed following the furore that surrounded it.


Server replay time: 0h03m20s

Hristo is swatting a fly that has got into his cockpit.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m35s

Juha brakes too late at the chicane and runs into the back of Hristo. Whether or not Hristo was slower than normal because of traffic in front of him it is Juha's responsibility to avoid a collision.


Server replay time: 0h03m42s

Hristo ends up facing the wrong way at the hairpin after Juha's touch and he is desperate to get going again.

He can clearly see back along the track and see that cars are approaching but he attempts to spin and rejoin in front of them. It is not up to the approaching drivers to allow him room to rejoin, he must find a clear piece of track to drive back into, even if that means waiting for a gap in the traffic and losing positions.


Server replay time: 0h04m40s

Andreas overtakes Fran who goes too tight knowing that Andreas is there which contributes to his demise as he is pushed left with a warp contact.

Fran ends up riding the top of the rail around Peralta and his three wheel Porsche is out of control as his car comes back onto the track in front of Blito who has nowhere to go.

Fran rolls and then tries to recover onto the racing line where Paul is now fast approaching and hits him with no way to avoid him.


Server replay time: 0h07m31s

Andreas hits Arf who blocks half of the track.
Andreas saw Arf early enough and could perhaps have done more to avoid him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h14m55s

Tristan seems aggressive into the right hander but is equally so on other laps when he takes the same line but he does take a risk as he could see Hristo in his mirrors on the approach going for the inside.

I think Tristan is surprised by Paul's lower exit speed here and expects him to be quicker, even though it is the second time he has lapped him. As a result he gets it completely wrong, hits the barrier and bounces back into Paul.

"In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over."

Hristo then hits Tristan.


Server replay time: 0h28m45s

Sergio and Hristo fast approach T1 and aim to lap BB at the same time.
Sergio loses control under braking and Hristo takes advantage by nipping through on the inside.
Sergio fights to recover and keep to the inside but he suffers what appears to be a slight warp from Hristo as the server shows no contact.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h42m15s

Hristo moves to the inside under braking for the hairpin but has no overlap at turn in and should back out of the move.
Hristo feels that Sergio blocks by turning in early, but Sergio takes the same tight line on other occasions (lap 25 for example).


Server replay time: 0h42m20s

Sergio retakes the lead at the next chicane and Hristo touches the back of him as his exit speed is higher than Sergio's.
As only Hristo is affected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h47m47s

Sergio makes a late braking move up the inside of the hairpin.
He has no overlap at turn in and does get the car stopped and around but only by hitting Hristo in the process.


Server replay time: 0h48m16s

Sergio loses control through the esses and is unpredictable as he exits the final left hander.
Hristo goes to make a pass as Sergio attempts to recover control and just clips Sergio.

  • Racing incident

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Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:49.109
102.490mph
clouds
Qualifying
Porsche 910July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100
S21PSC
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:48.821
102.761mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Porsche 910July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100
S21PSC
July 29, 2011, 10:46:41 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:50.031
101.641mph
1 50:20.148
99.981mph
27 1:50.251
101.438mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.985
100.739mph
2 +39.717
98.684mph
27 1:52.080
99.783mph
Dunlop  
Pedro vd Berg
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +1.479
100.293mph
3 +48.146
98.413mph
27 1:51.946
99.902mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +2.420
99.454mph
4 +1:01.473
97.987mph
27 1:52.503
99.408mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +3.292
98.688mph
5 +1:30.783
97.064mph
27 1:53.122
98.864mph
Dunlop  
norbert
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +5.328
96.947mph
6 +10L
93.960mph
17 1:55.122
97.146mph
Disco
Dunlop  
vosblod
 SuperCup Clark-Hill
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +7.039
95.530mph
7 +23L
82.025mph
4 2:01.327
92.178mph
Disco
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +3.969
98.102mph
8 +25L
92.779mph
2 1:56.232
96.218mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Caracciola
 SuperCup LOL'Team 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +2.267
99.589mph
9 +26L
92.123mph
1 1:59.345
93.709mph
Disco
Dunlop  
s2173
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +6.209
96.212mph
10 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
8 GPG
 
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Moderator's Report

No reported incidents and a clean lap 1.

Just like the other server perhaps?

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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2011, 12:10:54 PM +0100 »

Paul

The incident I referred to is definitely Lap 2 hairpin, which also explains why Juha shows no contact on Lap 1.

You appear to have inferred that the text I submitted HAS been uploaded, and I do not need to resubmit?

As irritating as it may be, given that we upload the times as part of the incident report, I assume mods will be able to look through the master copy for each incident? This assumes a fix ain't found for the current issue.

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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2011, 12:19:23 PM +0100 »

The grid on server 2 was very thin because drivers didn't turn up sadly. We set the teams on the servers so that each team faces each other team once or twice so that there is a good mix. All the drivers on Server 1 turned up and only half the drivers on Server 2. Pity really.

Maybe they should only get half points.  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2011, 12:30:40 PM +0100 »

You appear to have inferred that the text I submitted HAS been uploaded, and I do not need to resubmit?

Its OK, I worked it out. You didn't infer anything, and it hadn't submitted. It has now.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2011, 01:27:58 PM +0100 »

Juha - Lap 1 - server shows no contact between H and yourself

LOL

Well the SERVER replay actually doesn't show any contact - didn't say that H's car wasn't affected - Juha clearly got a bit close but it is a limitation of GPL that you don't actually have to touch a car to knock it off. It also does NOT mean that Juha is in the clear.

As has been pointed out, it was actually lap 2 so my error but as Colin has reported it it will get modded by Mike. As you have worked out Arf^3 the incident needs submitting again. Sorry if I confused you.
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2011, 02:24:01 PM +0100 »

You know, I find it funny how a few of you just had to comment on an incident that doesn't involve you directly and then you come telling me how I should avoid raising up the point in the forum.  Roll Eyes

Let me assure you of something - once the report system works properly (and I hope it would, because I have a lot of things to report and send client replays of), there will be far worse things to moderate than what happened on lap 2 (YES TWO, NOT ONE, so forget about lap one moderation covering this).

As for the race itself and I'll try be as polite as possible (which will be difficult) it was an intense one, with lots of ups and downs, and despite winning it, the overall feeling was that of disappointment. The reason? Drivers who are supposed to be one of our top drivers were showing no respect or self-control whatsoever. The rest will go into the reports (but I DO want to submit client replays, so find a way to fix it please).

I had done no practice for this race, but having had a lot of races at Mexico and with a decent amount of experience with the Porsche now, it was mostly down to coming up with a setup solution. My Kyalami setup seemed to work fine and with a few gearing adjustments, it was good enough for putting me into top 3 on the grid. I think I was on a potential pole position lap right at the end, but caught up with Paul in the last corner and as much as I tried to go to the inside, it didn't work and we made contact.

The start was OK, but my longer 1st gear allowed Tristan to go up into 2nd and then we followed each other for 1 lap, in which I must say Tristan was driving like a madman and nearly lost it a couple of times as if it was the final lap of the race. I chose to settle behind and just wait for him to make a bigger mistake, because it would've been way risky to try and race him at that point.

We then reached the hairpin for the 2nd time, on lap 2. It was obvious, right from the start, that the pull you get from the slipstream is quite noticeable, so it was mandatory to ease off before the braking zones and brake slightly earlier, to avoid hitting the cars in front of you. Juha apparently did not acknowledge that and although I accept his apology, it doesn't change his responsibility for what happened next.

As I was spun around, I noticed the upcoming cars were still about 100 meters away, so I thought I had enough time to turn around and continue, but the car reacted slower than expected and JUST before I hit the apex, 2 cars approached at full speed and crashed into me. Now, I do take responsibility that perhaps I didn't judge the situation absolutely perfect, but I also blame the upcoming cars for the same thing, as they arrived full speed and very close to each other, as if there was nobody stationary at the hairpin and no yellow flags being waved. But anyway, moderation would shed more light on this, hopefully with taking client replays into consideration and not just server replay.

I continued, car damaged somewhat, with the rear end stepping out of line very easily, so it took a lap or two to adapt to that, and by that time Tristan and Sergio were just blobs of pixels in the distance, but there was enough time to try and catch up. It soon became clear that Tristan is slower than Sergio and was dropping behind him, and that allowed me to catch his slipstream within a couple of laps.

Catching is one thing, passing quite another, and Tristan still driving rather aggressively, but not really efficiently, I needed to make my overtaking maneuver as good as possible. The opportunity came when Tristan went wide at the hairpin and then had a bad exit off the next chicane, so I went for the inside of the following fast right. Tristan refused to give any room though and just turned full speed across in front, narrowly missing my car, but not missing the backmarker that was right in front of us. The speed difference was great and they made contact, with Tristan's car bouncing off the armco on the left and as much as I tried to slow down and go between the cars, there was some light contact as it was impossible to predict the trajectory of both vehicles.

All this gave Sergio a bit of an advantage and he was now about 3 seconds up in front, but I hadn't given up yet! Some fast driving for the next couple of laps and with some help from backmarkers slipstream, the gap started to shrink gradually, so once I had the benefit of using Sergio's slipstream, it was a matter of 2-3 laps before I was in a position to attack. Sergio's car was very fast on the straights though, as well as through the final corner, so despite him making mistakes in the corners, I couldn't really get close enough to try and pass him, so I just settled patiently and followed him around.

About 11 laps from the end we came up to a backmarker at T 1and it appeared as if Sergio didn't acknowledge his presence because he braked at his normal point and carried his normal speed through the corner. That meant he was suddenly forced to take evasive actions to avoid rearending the backmarker and as they both went wide, I sneaked through and into the lead. As I exited T2 I came up to Jason's extremely slow moving car and it was a bit of a close call going around him. A corner later I passed Jonny's very slow moving car as well, so I was wondering what the heck are they doing, cruising around like that, lol.

I had about a 2-3 seconds lead for quite a while after that, but with the very long slipstream that these cars provide and as I caught up backmarkers in corners while Sergio benefited from their slipstream on the straights, he finally managed to close up the gap and make an attack at T1 with 5 laps to go. He took the lead, but didn't get the best of lines through the next few turns, so with a better exit off the previous corner I had a run on him towards the hairpin.

I moved to the inside before the braking zone while Sergio kept going on the outside, but as we were braking he moved across to block me and contact was inevitable. We continued, with Sergio hitting the outside armco and thus straightening himself up, and we approached the next chicane side by side, but as soon as he entered it on the inside, he slowed down all of a sudden in the middle of the corner and I had to move to the side to avoid him. That sent me into the curb on the right and the collision with it spun me around...

I managed to continue but the gap was now about 2 seconds, with 4 laps to go. Not someone to give up though, I kept charging and using all the experience gained from the laps until this moment, I started to experiment with some lines through T1 which seemed to work and my lap times improved noticeably. That allowed me to close up on Sergio as the race was coming to an end and I did my fastest lap 2 laps from the end, despite going off out of the Esses, with the gap to the leader reduced to about 1 second.

Sergio lost the rear end for a moment on the exit of the corner before the hairpin, and so I slipped through in the lead, but as I turned into the corner, he just drove into me at much higher speed after totally missing his braking point. Arrogantly enough, he drove on as if nothing happened and I was back in 2nd, but the red mist kept me going and with some fast driving through the Esses, I made a move on the exit of the penultimate of the 2 left handers, tapping him slightly as he was going much slower but it was nothing major, just a taste of his own medicine and he continued without spinning.

I was fortunate enough to catch some slipstream from a backmarker on the last lap and thus compensate for giving Sergio the benefit of my own slipstream, and despite being very close at T1 he couldn't launch an attack. I kept the lead for the reminder of the lap and won one of my best races, overcoming all the dirty and disrespectful driving that I've witnessed and recovering from all the time lost.

Of course I'm sorry that my rejoin caused Raoni's retirement, but it wasn't as clear-cut as it he made it sound in chat, and it was done in good faith that the gap was enough and there was enough time and room, plus relying on the upcoming driver's judgement that it was a scene of an accident and that they should ease off a little. As for Tristan and Sergio, I'm very disappointed with the way they conducted their racing, so instead of it being a fun battle until the end, it was quite frustrating and unpleasant racing with them.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2011, 02:26:18 PM +0100 »

OK, so the report system accepts replay without problems now? May I also ask what's the deadline for sending reports and replays, and replying to report messages sent by other drivers?
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2011, 04:03:34 PM +0100 »

OK, so the report system accepts replay without problems now? May I also ask what's the deadline for sending reports and replays, and replying to report messages sent by other drivers?

Generally a week, so the submit link will disappear next friday.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2011, 05:01:29 PM +0100 »

This race was hard work...
Having a lumbago I had pain in my back while driving.
I managed to stay behind my teammate Ronnie for long time.
Luckily we saw the hairpin incident in lap 2 in time and we could pass the poor roof down Raoni and Arf unharmed.
Later David and Arf came from behind and gave me fire, they could finaly overtake me as I did some little mistakes.
The rest of the race I kept my position allways in sight of  them.
With Juha and Ronnie as teammates its a great pleasure to race  thumbup2

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2011, 05:46:40 PM +0100 »

Hmm, seems that my race on server 2 was very tame by comparison to all the action on server 1!?? Roll Eyes

I have to admit that I was surprised that some of the true aliens were not present and I was more than surprised to improve my PB by about 2 secs to take pole. Goran was threatening to be very quick in 2nd place on the grid and I knew that T1, Lap 1 could well be critical.

Goran made a better start and drew alongside but I managed to hold the inside line around T1 and into the Esses, emerging with a few metres of lead. For the rest of Lap 1 I pushed as hard as I dared to build a protective gap against the slipstream when we reached the straight. I was fortunate to get just enough  of a lead to prevent Goran making an attack into T1 on Lap 2.

For the next 10 laps I kept up the pressure, slowly building my lead and watching the gap grow as I went around the hairpin, until I was unable to see the 2nd place car before going through the Esses. Then I knew that I had a safe lead as long as I made no mistakes.

The rest of the race was very lonely as I was able to gradually pull away from the cars behind, and with a small grid I did not catch any backmarkers until we were almost at the end of the race. I did make a small effort in the last few laps to break through the 1:50 barrier, but was slightly cautious as I did not wish to throw away the win when I had such a comfortable lead and just failed. Prib indicated that it was easily possible and with a little slipstream and some closer racing I think I would have made it....maybe next time.

Grats to those who finished the server 2 race and I hope the missing drivers turn up for the next round because bigger grids mean more fun in this series.
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2011, 09:40:08 PM +0100 »

Yeh I was gutted I wasn't on server 2 - I could have finished 6th!  Grin
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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2011, 07:49:51 AM +0100 »

Quite a good race for me.  I only made 2 mistakes, the first one was when I was trying to stay ahead of JohnnyO.  I clipped a polo which caused me to spin and I rejoined behind JohnnyO and my team mate Martin (Maddog).  The second mistake was a spin on the next lap at T1.  By then I was a good 17 seconds behind Martin so I just settled down and tried to drive a consistent pace.  I watch prib and noticed Martin had got past JohnnyO to pick up more points for Pastit Porsche  clap

For the next 20 or so laps the gap to JohnnyO was pretty constant.  I past a couple of back markers and I got lapped by Sergio and Hristo (incredible pace from those 2) so it looked like the result was decided.  But then I passed Martin with a smoking engine Sad and then with just 2 laps to go prib showed JohnnyO was loosing ground.  So I pushed hard and managed to pass JohnnyO in the run down to T1 on the last lap.  I had Juha on my tail trying to lap me but I didn't want to pull over in case I lost the place to JohnnyO.  I don't think I held Juha back much and it wouldn't of affected the outcome, he was circulating on his own by then.

Unlucky Francesco, I saw you crash out at the last turn.  You were very quick up to that point.

Always the same problem.The side view.I have given to much space on the right to my opponent in the last curve, when i close the curve he was on my flank and .....crash.The car went over the gard rail and ,when the car was back on the track the disaster begins.
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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2011, 07:52:47 AM +0100 »

Someone could explain me why i'm not able to see the server of the Porsche cup on Igor?
Always i must use the IP to join the race.
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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2011, 10:56:42 AM +0100 »

Someone could explain me why I'm not able to see the server of the Porsche cup on Igor?
Always i must use the IP to join the race.

If you can see all the Servers, or no Servers, I understand this.  If you cannot see only the Porsche Server, this is strange! Huh

The problem with the GT cars, is the sound.  Other cars make little noise, because we have a roof - we race inside the car, and this is realistic.  I use the mirror, and the glance left, and right buttons.  Driving by braille will sometimes impale! Embarrassed
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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2011, 11:05:50 AM +0100 »

Someone could explain me why i'm not able to see the server of the Porsche cup on Igor?
Always i must use the IP to join the race.
As Martin says can you see any races on igor?

Is your igor.ini set to this?
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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2011, 03:04:24 PM +0100 »

It was a busy race at the end of my car lost power and could not get to 5th gear, but the main one is always good and always jockeying for position with full respect for the rules of conduct, it is a pleasure to share the track well.
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