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  • S21PSC Mexico City: July 29, 2011
July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.164
102.336mph
1 (+4) 49:50.116
100.976mph
27 1:48.821
102.761mph
Dunlop  
clouds
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:49.109
102.490mph
2 (+2) +0.753
100.950mph
27 1:49.256
102.352mph
Dunlop  
jhalli
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +1.572
101.034mph
3 (+2) +1:39.807
97.714mph
27 1:50.390
101.300mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +3.158
99.607mph
4 +1:55.315
97.226mph
27 1:53.329
98.673mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +2.146
100.513mph
5 +1L
97.109mph
26 1:52.479
99.419mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +5.081
97.929mph
6 +14.270
96.648mph
26 1:53.630
98.412mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 SuperCup Porsche International
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +3.718
99.112mph
7 +25.099
96.302mph
26 1:53.457
98.562mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 14 +6.797
96.480mph
8 +1:36.545
94.075mph
26 1:55.935
96.455mph
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +5.487
97.582mph
9 +1:38.514
94.016mph
26 1:55.945
96.447mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 15 +12.385
92.042mph
10 +3L
88.576mph
24 2:01.199
92.266mph
Disco
Dunlop  
maddog
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 18 11 +8L
93.637mph
19 1:54.463
97.696mph
Disco
Dunlop  
blito
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +5.996
97.151mph
12 +12L
87.529mph
15 2:03.360
90.650mph
Disco
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 SuperCup LOL'Team 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +0.318
102.192mph
13 (+1) +20L
99.911mph
7 1:50.361
101.327mph
Disco
Dunlop  
RBald
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 19 14 +2:00.225
86.619mph
7 2:01.783
91.824mph
Disco
Dunlop  
andrwe
 SuperCup GPFun
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +2.323
100.353mph
15 +24L
93.108mph
3 1:53.434
98.582mph
Disco
Dunlop  
francesco
 SuperCup Pastit Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 13 +6.175
97.000mph
16 (+2) +25L
85.484mph
2 2:02.029
91.639mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +3.400
99.393mph
17 +26L
92.028mph
1 1:58.400
94.447mph
Disco
Dunlop  
DuFossa
 SuperCup Team Coyote
Porsche 910 GT 1967 16 +12.770
91.751mph
18 +15.269
81.755mph
1 2:06.897
88.123mph
Disco
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 
Porsche 910 GT 1967 20 19 DNS ---
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Porsche 910 GT 1967 17 20 ---
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Moderator's Report

Mexico is the scene of many great races in the past for UKGPL and this was no different.

Surely a track this wide meant there was room for everyone so it should be a fairly easy moderation.........

Tempers seemed a little frayed at times on track which in the heat of battle is normal as long as we keep within the limits of our Sporting Regulations, but tempers getting frayed in the forums and chat room after the race crosses the line of conduct and gives a poor impression of the tight but welcoming community that we have built up at UKGPL over a period of years.

On to the race then which all moderators have reviewed following the furore that surrounded it.


Server replay time: 0h03m20s

Hristo is swatting a fly that has got into his cockpit.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m35s

Juha brakes too late at the chicane and runs into the back of Hristo. Whether or not Hristo was slower than normal because of traffic in front of him it is Juha's responsibility to avoid a collision.


Server replay time: 0h03m42s

Hristo ends up facing the wrong way at the hairpin after Juha's touch and he is desperate to get going again.

He can clearly see back along the track and see that cars are approaching but he attempts to spin and rejoin in front of them. It is not up to the approaching drivers to allow him room to rejoin, he must find a clear piece of track to drive back into, even if that means waiting for a gap in the traffic and losing positions.


Server replay time: 0h04m40s

Andreas overtakes Fran who goes too tight knowing that Andreas is there which contributes to his demise as he is pushed left with a warp contact.

Fran ends up riding the top of the rail around Peralta and his three wheel Porsche is out of control as his car comes back onto the track in front of Blito who has nowhere to go.

Fran rolls and then tries to recover onto the racing line where Paul is now fast approaching and hits him with no way to avoid him.


Server replay time: 0h07m31s

Andreas hits Arf who blocks half of the track.
Andreas saw Arf early enough and could perhaps have done more to avoid him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h14m55s

Tristan seems aggressive into the right hander but is equally so on other laps when he takes the same line but he does take a risk as he could see Hristo in his mirrors on the approach going for the inside.

I think Tristan is surprised by Paul's lower exit speed here and expects him to be quicker, even though it is the second time he has lapped him. As a result he gets it completely wrong, hits the barrier and bounces back into Paul.

"In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over."

Hristo then hits Tristan.


Server replay time: 0h28m45s

Sergio and Hristo fast approach T1 and aim to lap BB at the same time.
Sergio loses control under braking and Hristo takes advantage by nipping through on the inside.
Sergio fights to recover and keep to the inside but he suffers what appears to be a slight warp from Hristo as the server shows no contact.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h42m15s

Hristo moves to the inside under braking for the hairpin but has no overlap at turn in and should back out of the move.
Hristo feels that Sergio blocks by turning in early, but Sergio takes the same tight line on other occasions (lap 25 for example).


Server replay time: 0h42m20s

Sergio retakes the lead at the next chicane and Hristo touches the back of him as his exit speed is higher than Sergio's.
As only Hristo is affected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h47m47s

Sergio makes a late braking move up the inside of the hairpin.
He has no overlap at turn in and does get the car stopped and around but only by hitting Hristo in the process.


Server replay time: 0h48m16s

Sergio loses control through the esses and is unpredictable as he exits the final left hander.
Hristo goes to make a pass as Sergio attempts to recover control and just clips Sergio.

  • Racing incident

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Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:49.109
102.490mph
clouds
Qualifying
Porsche 910July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100
S21PSC
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:48.821
102.761mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Porsche 910July 29, 2011, 09:52:21 PM +0100
S21PSC
July 29, 2011, 10:46:41 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 SuperCup Hiki-Waza 2
Porsche 910 GT 1967 1 1:50.031
101.641mph
1 50:20.148
99.981mph
27 1:50.251
101.438mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 2 +0.985
100.739mph
2 +39.717
98.684mph
27 1:52.080
99.783mph
Dunlop  
Pedro vd Berg
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 3 +1.479
100.293mph
3 +48.146
98.413mph
27 1:51.946
99.902mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 5 +2.420
99.454mph
4 +1:01.473
97.987mph
27 1:52.503
99.408mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 6 +3.292
98.688mph
5 +1:30.783
97.064mph
27 1:53.122
98.864mph
Dunlop  
norbert
 SuperCup Pasti Porsche
Porsche 910 GT 1967 8 +5.328
96.947mph
6 +10L
93.960mph
17 1:55.122
97.146mph
Disco
Dunlop  
vosblod
 SuperCup Clark-Hill
Porsche 910 GT 1967 10 +7.039
95.530mph
7 +23L
82.025mph
4 2:01.327
92.178mph
Disco
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 SuperCup Black Night
Porsche 910 GT 1967 7 +3.969
98.102mph
8 +25L
92.779mph
2 1:56.232
96.218mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Caracciola
 SuperCup LOL'Team 1
Porsche 910 GT 1967 4 +2.267
99.589mph
9 +26L
92.123mph
1 1:59.345
93.709mph
Disco
Dunlop  
s2173
 SuperCup Team7
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +6.209
96.212mph
10 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
8 GPG
 
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

No reported incidents and a clean lap 1.

Just like the other server perhaps?

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« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2011, 01:45:23 PM +0100 »

"The start was OK, but my longer 1st gear allowed Tristan to go up into 2nd and then we followed each other for 1 lap, in which I must say Tristan was driving like a madman and nearly lost it a couple of times as if it was the final lap of the race. I chose to settle behind and just wait for him to make a bigger mistake, because it would've been way risky to try and race him at that point."

...........thanks a lot Hristo ........you start very well to criticize  my driving style in the 2 fisrt laps with cold tyres and 27 laps fuell .....and also with a very agressive driver in my back  !....( but for me it's normal to have agressivness when you racing ) .....so I don't know why you said that  ....or maybe you was enervous to lost one place at the start !?..... Grin
....from my reaplay , at the hairpin of the lap 2 , Idon't see any contact betwin H. and J......that is what the screen show me......I can see also something incrédible !!. eek....H. after his 360°  retake the road juste like very nervous and don't care about the poor Arfx3who cannot do anything against the very hasardous therefore dangerous manoeuvre of H.   rockon........when I see this , I'm realy dead LOL that you said I'have a madman driving ......  imagine if it was  the réality  .......I think the race is finish for you and Arfx3.........
.........also about my end of race .... at the hairpin you hurt the rail....and after the chicane you attack me at one place where it's impossible to overpass .....( you are also in a dead angle and I can't see you ) ........         me  ,I just keep my line ( the line )....unfortunately Whitefield don't keep his line , and cross mine....... so I try to pass outside but I touch him and I finish in the rail .....( sorry Whitefield , I do my best , but was impossible  ! )........then H. bumped me out of his way  rockon....
so you are good to juge the others , and you seem to be never wrong ...........you are so shure of you that you don't care about the others.............it's a chance that is only simracing .....Wink

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« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2011, 01:56:11 PM +0100 »

.......sorry Hristo , but in Solitude I was not racing with you ...... Grin        ....so give the right name please !

.....and in Mexico I was not in loose at all !!  ....... it's not the case of everybody !!     the only cause of my DNF is a mobil chicane !
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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2011, 02:44:21 PM +0100 »

LOL!  Tongue Grin

Uhm....lemme think about a valid name....maybe Albert Einstein ! ROFL !
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2011, 05:28:01 PM +0100 »

Guys, the forum is for reasoned debate and not to start a flame war. The rights and wrongs can be sorted out in the moderation process. It would be helpful if everyone could moderate their language when making points and refrain from being offensive.

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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2011, 05:54:58 PM +0100 »

I just keep my line ( the line )....unfortunately Whitefield don't keep his line , and cross mine....... so I try to pass outside but I touch him and I finish in the rail .....( sorry Whitefield , I do my best , but was impossible  ! )

To answer the specific point I followed the line that I always follow at that point so I believe I did keep my line. I find that particular corner difficult and it is almost certainly not your line. There will be a reason why you can go round the track over ten seconds faster than me! You also didn't actually touch me until you bounced off the armco.

I am not entirely certain what line you expected me to follow but you needed to pass me on my left as the line is tight on the right. I believe you tried the right first and switched a bit too fast to the left which ended in the armco. I apologise if I ruined your race but I am unsure where else I could have gone. Backmarkers are advised to keep to their own line and let the faster drivers go off line. I could have stayed out and followed the armco but what if you had gone to pass me off line and I drove there?
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« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2011, 06:14:21 PM +0100 »

"The start was OK, but my longer 1st gear allowed Tristan to go up into 2nd and then we followed each other for 1 lap, in which I must say Tristan was driving like a madman and nearly lost it a couple of times as if it was the final lap of the race. I chose to settle behind and just wait for him to make a bigger mistake, because it would've been way risky to try and race him at that point."

...........thanks a lot Hristo ........you start very well to criticize  my driving style in the 2 fisrt laps with cold tyres and 27 laps fuell .....and also with a very agressive driver in my back  !....( but for me it's normal to have agressivness when you racing ) .....so I don't know why you said that  ....or maybe you was enervous to lost one place at the start !?..... Grin
....from my reaplay , at the hairpin of the lap 2 , Idon't see any contact betwin H. and J......that is what the screen show me......I can see also something incrédible !!. eek....H. after his 360°  retake the road juste like very nervous and don't care about the poor Arfx3who cannot do anything against the very hasardous therefore dangerous manoeuvre of H.   rockon........when I see this , I'm realy dead LOL that you said I'have a madman driving ......  imagine if it was  the réality  .......I think the race is finish for you and Arfx3.........
.........also about my end of race .... at the hairpin you hurt the rail....and after the chicane you attack me at one place where it's impossible to overpass .....( you are also in a dead angle and I can't see you ) ........         me  ,I just keep my line ( the line )....unfortunately Whitefield don't keep his line , and cross mine....... so I try to pass outside but I touch him and I finish in the rail .....( sorry Whitefield , I do my best , but was impossible  ! )........then H. bumped me out of his way  rockon....
so you are good to juge the others , and you seem to be never wrong ...........you are so shure of you that you don't care about the others.............it's a chance that is only simracing .....Wink



I see you two are willing to go even lower and start throwing random personal attacks which you believe would bother me or anyone would actually believe what you claim, lol. Let me see though, I'll try to cover all that shit you just wrote.

I'm intitled to write anything in my race report from own point if view, so if you don't like it that's your problem. I never made personal attacks unlike you and Sergio.

I was neither envious, nor nervious at the start. I was not aggressive either, unlike yourself. The replay shows that clearly, you keep losing the car in almost each corner and I'm forced to ease off frequently to give you some space to recover. If I was aggressive, I would've taken advantage of your mistakes and made a move to pass you. You're obviously totally clueless about that.

As for what happened at the hairpin, my replay shows clearly how Juha hits me, you can see the contact, you can hear it, and it's what spins my car around. I challenge anyone to spin like that without being hit, lmao. Secondly, that accident doesn't involve you AT ALL, so you're just being an asshole to bring it up as a personal attack against me, instead of speaking about your own incidents you caused. Thirdly, if you actually watch the replay, Raoni hits Arf BEFORE Arf hits me, so that accident was going to happen regardless of whether I rejoined the track or not. Not to mention that had I executed the maneuver better, I would've go through before they reached me, with Raoni still hitting Arf. But again it doesn't concern you and you're in no position to talk, considering how much worse you drove yourself.

As for my attack on you, who are you to say it's impossible to pass? Or is it that you simply decide to turn into the corner, without giving a damn whether there's another car inside or that it was obvious a backmarker was running slower up in front. Who's the madman, huh? You and Sergio don't seem to account for possible warp contact at all and you simply leave no room for anyone, then you come in here crying like babies.

And to say that I bumped you out of the way, OMFG - you hit the armco, hit the backmarker, literally lost half or more of your speed in a matter of 1 second, and you expect me to somehow slow at the same rate and avoid hitting your car? Clueless, totally clueless... you should join some novices divisions until you learn about the basics of racing physics, along with your teammate.

@Sergio - lame avatar, but whatever - keep hating like a little punk.

You two immature disrespectful wannabe simracers are going to get your eyes opened once the moderation is complete and I would be very surprised if you get away with any of your bad moves. It would be quite funny if you keep on insisting afterwards that what you did was right and that it was everyone else's fault for what happened around you on the track, heh.
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« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2011, 06:28:37 PM +0100 »

....ho ! don't worry Badblood , it's my  mistake .... 100% .....anyway , it's ALLWAYS the fault of the chase man who have to keep the control of is car  ...... it's " THE " rule !!! .........  I know ,it's not easy to be lapped some time and spécialy in this sector of the track ..... so , one again , my apologies ......         ...... usualy , I'm very carefull if I arrives on the late drivers , but here I was first a little surprise to find the late drivers so early in the race , and I was fighting with H. and he went just to touch the rail at the hairpin and very close to me and I see very well that he will try to profite of thoses lapped guys ..... in fact he come nearly on my side just before turning in the curve ... I think it was only intimidation but I'm not shure at all .......anyway , it was not the good moment and the good place to do it ..... just because we arrive on late drivers in a tricky zone ......and 20 laps to go !.......
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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2011, 06:32:15 PM +0100 »

I've a bad experience to be lapped remaining on the racing line. The racing line (groove briefly) is the line where fast car are passing, obviously also slow car passes from there but faster car have not many chanses to avoid obstacles on the groove expecially during corners without end their run badly or braking early giving advantage to the chaser. What I've learned is that pilots lapping me are figuring out I stay far from the groove, no matter if I have tro cross it as quickly as I can to keep me far from it. The 2 or 3 times I've remained on the race line being lapped I was perfectly centered by the lapping pilot ruining his race at all or giving unespected advantage to his chaser.
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« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2011, 06:42:12 PM +0100 »

Hi guys,
At the sake of appearing crass and in the knowledge we are all grown ups here I think it is all getting a little too heated. Strangely enough the incident reporting system partly exists to avoid drivers slugging it out in the forums but that doesn't always work.
I don't believe in locking topics, it's a bit like trying to plug up a boiling kettle, but there comes a time when it is worth taking a breather.
I'm sending out a few PM's and would appreciate, in the meantime, if there are no more personal posts here. Not good for UKGPL and probably not good for everyones blood pressure.
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« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2011, 07:06:01 PM +0100 »

..... ....once again Sim Racing GOD HAVE speak !!  ..... and I see well , it's never your fault ! .... LOL.....LOL....and LOL ! ....
    .....and you  ? , who are you for telling that my drive is a mad drive  Huh......  look at you man !.....asholl yourself , you must learn the respect .........
 ......so you see me loosing the car in nearly itch corner ! Grin ....... lol , maybe drink or drive , you have to choise !.....

     personaly ,I come from the real racing ( motobike and kart ) , and I can tel you , if somebody has your kind of behaviours on track if he have the chance to finish the race alive , this risk to finish in boxing match in the padock......
 ....so now  , I drop it cause no possible to speak anymore to u..........and please don't answer me , I don't care about .....

   .....( I was stupidly thinking that all the top drivers was  ' gentleman driver ' ........ Sad
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« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2011, 07:42:14 PM +0100 »

Sometimes it happens that theory is way different from the practical (talking about Tristan's text in parenthesis). After all, we are men not machines (Chuck Yeager).  Wink
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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2011, 08:52:46 PM +0100 »

Someone could explain me why i'm not able to see the server of the Porsche cup on Igor?
Always i must use the IP to join the race.
As Martin says can you see any races on igor?

Is your igor.ini set to this?
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Sorry for the delay(I was in the St Moritz region Martin!with my motorcycle Smiley)  I see all race in Igor (or i hope).With the novice race i have no problem to see the server.
Only with the Porsche cup i have this problem.I don't know the IP=gplrank.info what mean.Is only for the Porsche cup?
If yes ,this can explain the problem otherwise there is a mistery.
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« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2011, 09:00:40 AM +0100 »


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Sorry for the delay(I was in the St Moritz region Martin!with my motorcycle Smiley
St Moritz on a Motorcycle? OK now I'm really jealous!!! What machine do you ride?
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« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2011, 11:31:08 AM +0100 »


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Sorry for the delay(I was in the St Moritz region Martin!with my motorcycle Smiley
St Moritz on a Motorcycle? OK now I'm really jealous!!! What machine do you ride?


Is an old Yamaha Virago 550cc.To go to St Moritz is not a long trip(130km from Como).Is long in time because the road of the lake of Como is the worst possible. The trip was:Como ,Maloja pass,St Moritz ,Bernina Pass(very beautiful),Livigno,Swiss national park and return to home.
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« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2011, 10:22:17 AM +0100 »

Hi guys,
as usual and waiting for the official UKGPL server to show up, I'll host some PSC Rouen sessions during the week.
Sometimes some of you have had some problems to join my PSC Practice Server but I knew nothing, so if you have any problem to join my server, try to contact  me immediately letting me the opportunity to fix the problem (I hope to be able to do it) or leave a message here on the board hoping this will not cause any problem to moderators about permission and granting rules. In any case let me know.

Thank you in advance for participation,
Sergio.
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