Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2011, 04:24:55 AM +0100 » |
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To penalize me with 5 places lost overall, for a maneuver that was not done in a blind decision but by taking all factors into account (as written in my report) and for an incident that I never caused myself, and considering my record of clean racing, that looks like nothing else but purposeful scapegoat making with no real basis whatsoever.
from what i see of the report it's not one maneuver , thou you say overall . it does disingenuously make it sound like those five places "lost" are from just the one but the report says two different mistakes cost you those places . i do have sympathy that it was your lack of skill or rather proper car control (you did say that you lost the revs so couldn't do a proper spin recovery) , however that should in no way forgive for your actions ! you tried and failed to rejoin a race infront of others that had a right to the road (infront of your rights) and to blame them for not slowing down does not make you blameless , so you have been given the penalty "Appallingly Bad Rejoin" which is right ... if it had been me i'd have thrown the book at you because with your skill i'd have expected better . i hope that you take this advise in the right way , but i know you won't and expect a reply (that i won't reply to .. so you might as well make it as long and as complex as you like) . happy racing . john No, JR, as I said as soon as the race was over, I know what I did was not ideal, but if you really observe the replay you will see Raoni hitting Arf as a separate incident that was going to happen regardless whether I accelerated and turned around to rejoin, or not. What I take from it is knowledge that with the Porsche, at least with the gear ratio I had, even if you floor the throttle, it's not enough to overcome the amount of grip and tire scrubbing while you have the front wheels close to full opposite lock, and thus the revs would drop. To imply that I should know such a thing in advance based on my amount of experience is unrealistic though. My experience is mostly with the F1 cars and in those it would've worked just fine. Do you practice such rejoins yourself? I don't. Anyway, I do take responsibility for the rejoin, but I was not the only one at fault in the whole situation and an incident would have happened anyway. And as for the other incident, I've already said clearly what I think about it, so my point about the 5 places lost overall was based on my views on whose fault it was for causing that incident.
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« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2011, 04:30:42 AM +0100 » |
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To be honest, I really don't care if someone hits me at a race. Of course, we always try to be the cleanest driver as possible and don't like to hit or to be hit by someone. But, there's nothing better to hear a "sorry" from a driver who hits you, or to say "sorry" if you crash into someone. It's one of the most gallant words that exists. Hristo, I admire you for being so fast, even when driving on the limit. But, what's the problem to say "sorry"? What's the problem to assume a mistake? Even the greatest drivers of the world made mistakes one day and were gentlemans enough to say sorry about their mistakes. You drove on the wrong way into me and Arf. This is a fact. Period. I have to be honest to say that I hadn't seen again the replay before today (once Arf reported the accident before me). Maybe I would really rear ended Arf even if you didn't had done this terrible rejoin. So, my apologies to Arf...and I'll be accepting any kind of penalty if I receive it. And yes, this is definetely a computer game. I can't comprehend how a penalty of a virtual race can provide such a boring and unnecessary discussion. I - and I think that most of us - face it as a place to keep ourselves free of the problems of the real life - sometimes like work, family, disease.. - and to share some laughs, a good conversation and some races. Of course, we all want to do our best, to beat our opponents, but always in a good mood. But, if we turn GPL into a new reason to be stressed and to make fight...well, we're having a problem. Serious....so serious. I don't think that a penalty of a virtual race can be so stressing. It doesn't affects our real life, our healthy, our friends, or even the value of the Dollar or Euro... I'm not better than anyone to say how or who someone have to behave, but just a good advice: a virtual community (for any kind of theme) is not the best place to create enemies. Or at least don't try to create enemies. Life is too short for misery And SORRY everybody for my boring text. I really don't like when a polemic incident takes the place of the race, which is what really matter... (And lets go to Rouen!)
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« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2011, 06:53:52 AM +0100 » |
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Well said Raoni.... those are very good words.
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« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2011, 07:35:02 AM +0100 » |
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Thanks Raoni !!! ...and lets enjoy Rouen
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« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2011, 08:26:40 AM +0100 » |
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You said it perfectly Raoni,
Lets draw a line under this and move on and enjoy our racing.
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« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2011, 09:32:31 AM +0100 » |
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My Compliments Raoni, I could not have said it better than you.
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Sergio "Clouds" Lonzar
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« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2011, 10:22:34 AM +0100 » |
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I would not want to say this sort of intimidation should serve to Hristo in occasion another situation like this should occur, it should means, the moderators should avoid another situation like this if they think that every incident with Hristo could hide big arguing like in this case. It only was sufficent some words like: SORRY GUYS, MY MISTAKE!but maybe these words are not in certain dictionaries. I think only a thing, years of skill and experience wasted in a stupid discussion. Well done Hristo! Go ahead Hristo, we will waste our summer holidays to read your news.
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Sergio "Clouds" Lonzar
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2011, 11:46:10 AM +0100 » |
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To be honest, I really don't care if someone hits me at a race. Of course, we always try to be the cleanest driver as possible and don't like to hit or to be hit by someone. But, there's nothing better to hear a "sorry" from a driver who hits you, or to say "sorry" if you crash into someone. It's one of the most gallant words that exists. Hristo, I admire you for being so fast, even when driving on the limit. But, what's the problem to say "sorry"? What's the problem to assume a mistake? Even the greatest drivers of the world made mistakes one day and were gentlemans enough to say sorry about their mistakes. You drove on the wrong way into me and Arf. This is a fact. Period. I have to be honest to say that I hadn't seen again the replay before today (once Arf reported the accident before me). Maybe I would really rear ended Arf even if you didn't had done this terrible rejoin. So, my apologies to Arf...and I'll be accepting any kind of penalty if I receive it. And yes, this is definetely a computer game. I can't comprehend how a penalty of a virtual race can provide such a boring and unnecessary discussion. I - and I think that most of us - face it as a place to keep ourselves free of the problems of the real life - sometimes like work, family, disease.. - and to share some laughs, a good conversation and some races. Of course, we all want to do our best, to beat our opponents, but always in a good mood. But, if we turn GPL into a new reason to be stressed and to make fight...well, we're having a problem. Serious....so serious. I don't think that a penalty of a virtual race can be so stressing. It doesn't affects our real life, our healthy, our friends, or even the value of the Dollar or Euro... I'm not better than anyone to say how or who someone have to behave, but just a good advice: a virtual community (for any kind of theme) is not the best place to create enemies. Or at least don't try to create enemies. Life is too short for misery And SORRY everybody for my boring text. I really don't like when a polemic incident takes the place of the race, which is what really matter... (And lets go to Rouen!) The reason I did not say sorry to you, Raoni, is because you were all offensive in the chat after the race without even seeing the replay, when in reality (and as you observed in the replay), you would have hit Arf regardless of what I did. The reason I'm so convinced is because I compared yours, Arf's and the two leading car's speed at the moment of turning into the hairpin. You may assume Arf slowed down more than he would have otherwise done if I was not turning in front of him, but in fact his speed was about equal to that of the leader of the race (who had nobody rejoining in front of him), it was higher than 2nd placed car, and yours was higher than all 3, some 10-15 km/h faster just before impact. Also Arf's direction of travel was set before I began to turn around, so he did not turn earlier in a diagonal line because of seeing my car move. At the moment where you and Arf started braking, I hadn't moved yet. In fact I did not move until you passed about 1/4th of your braking distance, by which time you were already braking at maximum efficiency and even if I did not turn in front of Arf, his speed would not have differed much, if at all. I've heard from a couple of people you tend to brake too late in general and you do that right from lap 1 when it's a very risky thing to do, especially with keyboard where you can't modulate the braking effort, so next time instead of attacking me for doing something wrong, take a look what you did wrong first. I'm not going to say sorry to someone who has not even realized his own mistake yet demands an apology for me. Some people use the word "sorry" very lightly and it loses all its meaning, it just sounds false. I may be saying "sorry" on very rare occasions, but it would be a honest and real apology. In racing incidents like these the responsibility is always shared, it's not one-sided, so to demand an apology from just one of the drivers is not something I can accept. Personally I don't need someone to say sorry to me, I would rather have them learn from what they did wrong and try not to repeat it the next race. That is my only wish here really, learning from mistakes but without going overboard with it by asking people to dumb down their race craft and race like grandmas on public roads. I would not want to say this sort of intimidation should serve to Hristo in occasion another situation like this should occur, it should means, the moderators should avoid another situation like this if they think that every incident with Hristo could hide big arguing like in this case. It only was sufficent some words like: SORRY GUYS, MY MISTAKE!but maybe these words are not in certain dictionaries. I think only a thing, years of skill and experience wasted in a stupid discussion. Well done Hristo! Go ahead Hristo, we will waste our summer holidays to read your news. Well, that's the kind of attitude which would keep leading to more incidents involving you in the future, because you choose not to learn anything from it and you choose to keep thinking you did nothing wrong (when in fact your moves were the most aggressive and appalling). Calling this a stupid discussion is all I need to know about your personality and approach to racing, the rest does not interest me.
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« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2011, 12:20:56 PM +0100 » |
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This is a stupid discussion because you turned it in such a way without any reason, and what is worst is that you continue discuting. You mounted all this movie and then you'r in stall. What a move !!! It seems all we have only duties Vs you, while you have only rights Vs the others, this is what you should have to mind. Anyway don't worry I'll take an eye pointed on you next time I'll meet you on a track expecially if you'll be behind (it could be a rare case but it could be always possible). And yes I did something wrong, I absolutely didn't think to smash you out and I'm sorry for this I've lost the opportunity to make a favour to alot of us during the race LOL!!! I've seen another bad behaviour coming from you at Brands, you were 2 secs faster than me and unexplicably I've found you in front of me and, now I figure out you did it because of a team play. And this continued also after I spun off. Team play is to help team mates not to block opponents making team mates coming closer in a race also having the possibility to run away faster. This is called obstructionism. Try to do this thing again and you will see what will happens then.
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Sergio "Clouds" Lonzar
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2011, 02:10:00 PM +0100 » |
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This is a stupid discussion because you turned it in such a way without any reason, and what is worst is that you continue discuting. You mounted all this movie and then you'r in stall. What a move !!! It seems all we have only duties Vs you, while you have only rights Vs the others, this is what you should have to mind. Anyway don't worry I'll take an eye pointed on you next time I'll meet you on a track expecially if you'll be behind (it could be a rare case but it could be always possible). And yes I did something wrong, I absolutely didn't think to smash you out and I'm sorry for this I've lost the opportunity to make a favour to alot of us during the race LOL!!! I've seen another bad behaviour coming from you at Brands, you were 2 secs faster than me and unexplicably I've found you in front of me and, now I figure out you did it because of a team play. And this continued also after I spun off. Team play is to help team mates not to block opponents making team mates coming closer in a race also having the possibility to run away faster. This is called obstructionism. Try to do this thing again and you will see what will happens then.
Without any reason? If you really think that then you're simply blind or did not read anything I've said, nor watched the video. I had all reason to be unhappy and maybe it's because you're new to UKGPL, but I've seen hundreds of situations and the subsequent moderation verdicts on them, and this one is simply incomparable. Also, right with this last post of yours, you just proved how such moderation leads to drivers like yourself not learning anything from it and even threatening to play it as dirty in the future races. A favour for a lot of us driving, you say? Your retirement would've been a big favour to all in that race, not mine! The number of situations you created and were involved in, and your baseless blames towards backmarkers after the race, only supports my claim. As for team play, lol, I can't believe you're going to cry about that now. I didn't weave, I didn't block (something you're very inclined to do every time a car is close to you), and you simply lost control on your own and now blame me for that? Pathetic... really pathetic. You speak of long gone past races, which at the time you said nothing about and complained nothing about, but now you start making things up because you can't come up with anything real to defend your statements. Try that again and see what happens next? Good, I'm looking forward to being rearended by you, LOL. People like you should not be allowed to race in a league...
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« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2011, 02:13:46 PM +0100 » |
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This is not directed at anyone in particular, but if you think it is you then consider why.
Some of the last postings have been quite unhelpful Gentlemen. We want respect in the forums and good clean racing. The rest is unnecessary and unhelpful to UKGPL as a whole.
Personal attacks and threats of retribution have absolutely no place on the forums.
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« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2011, 05:50:38 PM +0100 » |
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Yes you'r right I said nothing about Brands at that time because I thought it was not the case being myself the author of my spun off and over all of my engine problems but I've seen your race from the cameracar of the pilots behind you and now I can understand your moves. I come from roller speed skating I practiced at good national level for almost 17 years when I was young and I know very well what does it means TEAM PLAY m8 !!!
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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2011, 06:35:02 PM +0100 » |
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Stop it, Clouds, you get annoyng already...
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« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2011, 06:38:15 PM +0100 » |
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OK!
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