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August 14, 2011, 10:10:47 PM +0100 - Sandown (1962-83) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 4 +0.496
101.950mph
1 52:18.077
98.428mph
44 1:09.314
101.276mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:08.360
102.690mph
2 +2.653
98.345mph
44 1:08.348
102.708mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.319
102.213mph
3 +12.792
98.028mph
44 1:08.747
102.112mph
Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +3.702
97.414mph
4 +1L
95.088mph
43 1:09.762
100.626mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 7 +2.252
99.415mph
5 +2L
93.353mph
42 1:11.554
98.106mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +8.990
90.755mph
6 +5L
87.004mph
39 1:14.235
94.563mph
Disco
Firestone  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +4.605
96.209mph
7 +6L
83.255mph
38 1:14.338
94.432mph
Disco
Firestone  
s2173
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.369
100.674mph
8 (+5) +9L
90.440mph
35 1:10.816
99.128mph
Disco
Firestone  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +0.774
101.540mph
9 +10L
95.711mph
34 1:09.401
101.150mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 2 +0.240
102.331mph
10 +24L
95.030mph
20 1:09.130
101.546mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +2.333
99.301mph
11 +43L
82.017mph
1 1:23.882
83.688mph
Disco
Firestone  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 12 +31.515
59.945mph
1 1:51.407
63.011mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 12 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A nice clean lap one and all drivers who reset took a Stop and Go.


Server replay time: 0h02m28s

Mike T clips a haybale, spins and ends up facing backwards on the grass. He then rejoins by doing a 360 across the track. Paul and Hannah are approaching and, Paul at least, can be clearly seen. Paul has to swerve to avoid him but does not go off. It does not look like Mike was attempting to rejoin straight onto the racing line so our rules have this;

"Inconsiderate Bad Rejoin: Penalty 1 Places
The rejoining driver was in full control but nevertheless drove straight back onto the track without leaving enough room for other cars. Contact was NOT made but other drivers had to take avoiding action."

However I am going to mitigate this down to a Warning purely because Mike does appear to make efforts to stay to the side and no major harm was done. He may well have decided there was enough room to rejoin without affecting the oncoming traffic but really should have waited for the cars to clear first.


Server replay time: 0h02m36s

After the above incident Paul and Hannah have passed Mike T when Paul clips a curb and spins. It all happens very quickly and Hannah does the correct thing and slows right down until the situation becomes clear. In the meantime Mike goes into the back of Hannah. Mike does not appear to slow very much and is travelling at much greater speed then Hannah at point of impact. He had time to see Paul going awry and should have slowed much more. According to the server replay the flagman is not waving yellows. This type of thing falls under the incident approach rules which have this;

"Avoidable Lack of Care: Typical Caution
The yellow flags were difficult to see. The approaching driver was unsighted because of circuit topography, other cars or bandwidth limitations (i.e. number of cars that are visible). The cars from the incident were resetting or driving unpredictably. The approaching driver slowed down but contact was made with the cars from the incident."

Whilst the yellow flags were not shown I feel a Caution is more appropriate then the next level down to reflect the fact that, notwithstanding flags, Mike could have been more cautious and slowed more then he did. It also reflects the fact that Hannah was not at fault here. Hannah, whilst not spinning, can be considered part of the incident as he had to slow.


Server replay time: 0h07m23s

At 6m54s Ross takes a solo spin finding himself facing backwards. He then drives backwards for a distance, possibly to put himself in the position of rejoining on a straight rather then a corner. Ross then goes to rejoin, but appears to struggle, and by 7m23s is spreadeagled across the track. In the meantime Hannah has come upon the incident and slows to get round Ross. Whilst doing this he is hit by Sky. There are really two aspects to look at here;

1) Is Ross to be penalised for the Rejoin? Well he actually does his best to rejoin safely although the whole process is somewhat convoluted and takes nearly 30 seconds. When he finds himself across the track and realises cars are approaching he does the right thing and waits to allow some predictability for cars trying to avoid him. The actual coming together between Hannah and Sky may be a consequence of the rejoin but is not caused by the rejoin. Accordingly I cannot find fault in what Ross did excepting, in those circumstances, perhaps a reset might have been a much simpler option. However that is easy to say with hindsight.

2) Hannah and Sky's coming together; approaching the corner the flagman is clearly waving yellows. Hannah does the right thing and slows right down to be on the safe side. He rounds the corner, see's Ross and moves right to go round him. At this point he is hit in the rear by Sky. Sky can see the yellow flag too and obviously slows to make the corner BUT when he rounds onto the straight, where he can clearly see a stricken Ross with Hannah approaching, he actually accelerates. It is not for me to put myself in Sky's mind but, perhaps, he decided there was a potential gap to make a place on Hannah. The reason is irrelevant as the fact is, despite warning flags and seeing a car lobstered across the track with another car clearly attempting to go round, instead of slowing he goes faster. That is much more serious then the incident at 2m36s. Our incident approach rules have this;

"Total Lack of Care: Penalty 3 Places
The yellow flags were clearly visible. The cars and debris from the incident were clearly visible. The cars from the incident were either stationary or moving very slowly. The approaching driver made no attempt to slow down and contact was made with the cars from the incident."
The 'incident' in this case is Ross spreadeagled and stationary across the track. Again Hannah, whilst not spinning, can be considered part of the incident as he had to slow.

The next penalty down, Blatant, would only apply if Ross had been moving. The speeding up towards an incident really means only the most severe penalty can apply.

Special mention must also go to Dave Rainier, the first driver to come across Ross having a wobbly, who did a textbook manouvre to safely avoid him. A great lesson in evasive driving.

August 14, 2011, 10:57:10 PM +0100 - Sandown (1962-83) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:05.358
107.417mph
1 48:53.580
105.300mph
44 1:05.618
106.992mph
Firestone  
Beefpie
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.118
107.224mph
2 +2.620
105.206mph
44 1:05.824
106.657mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.900
105.958mph
3 +1L
103.552mph
43 1:06.426
105.690mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.117
104.047mph
4 +51.589
101.752mph
43 1:07.705
103.694mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +3.876
101.404mph
5 +3L
95.888mph
41 1:09.169
101.499mph
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +1.823
104.503mph
6 +37L
99.802mph
7 1:08.474
102.529mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 6 +2.448
103.539mph
7 +38L
99.423mph
6 1:08.216
102.917mph
Disco
Firestone  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +8.169
95.483mph
8 +42L
90.280mph
2 1:13.241
95.856mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 9 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A moderators dream; nice and clean lap one and no reported incidents. Keep these coming...

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:05.358
107.407mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Honda RA300August 14, 2011, 10:57:10 PM +0100
S21GrW
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:05.618
106.981mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Honda RA300August 14, 2011, 10:57:10 PM +0100
S21GrW
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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2011, 07:47:38 PM +0100 »

Well - Ronnie has dragged me around to a 1:16 so maybe I will play. Still think its horrible though.

Best I've done in my handful of laps is a 1:14 so we could be having a few giggles watching the fast guys trying to laps us Wink
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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2011, 07:59:19 PM +0100 »

Bet your worst is better than 1:48 though Steve...
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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2011, 08:59:57 PM +0100 »

 laugh

I think my first lap was about 3 and a half hours!
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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2011, 10:23:27 PM +0100 »

Early bath for me after a race full of errors.

Enjoyed a good battle for pole with Dave, Ronnie and Martin, I think we all had top spot until Dave came through at the end to snatch it. Early on I was following Dave and nipped past during some confusion with a backmarker, at this point all was going well.

Shortly after I muffed a gearchange and spun, and had to wait for a gap in which to do a spin turn. Having completed it, I waited off the racing line but as Hannah passed me, Skymole hit him and the two went off. I carried on, but well down on time.

The next ten to fifteen laps were spent picking my way back up, still making the odd error and struggling for consistency. Eventually I spun chasing Dave who must have had problems of his own, and I damaged my car. I took a reset but then decided to retire anyway as I think a reset is only allowed in the event an engine blow or fatal shunt.

Can't say I enjoyed by first outing in the Honda but at least I saved some tokens for next time.

Grats to the podium boys, whoever you may be!
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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2011, 10:32:12 PM +0100 »

Screen froze just at the end of qually, and I had to reboot my pc, and only just made the grid. Blood got past me on start straight and I was chasing him with Clive behind me for 7/8 laps until Blood suddenly started appearing and disappearing in front of me. At one stage I had to avoid what seemed to be a ghost image of a car which put me off the track. I think Clive saw the chance to pass me as I fought to keep control.... and the next thing I saw him sliding off in the direction of the bridge....hope that wasn't anything to do with me Clive....

Then things just got weird and my steering wheel's FFB was kicking randomly, and it gave me one just when I was setting up for the right hander to head round past the guttering before the bridge. This of course allowed me a closer look at the guttering and one of my rears liked the view so much it decided to stay back for more. Bugger.



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« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2011, 11:25:50 PM +0100 »

Have to say I enjoyed it. Hard track and I had to concentrate a LOT. Not too many spins or crashes and only 1 reset. Finished 5 laps down but I DID finish. Best ever 67's result. Must get the wife to go away more often Smiley
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« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2011, 11:28:09 PM +0100 »

Not a great result but really enjoyed it.

Qualifying was OK once I found a gap and warmed the tyres and the first 10 laps went great, lapping with the leader and running in second but then I blew the engine.

Got going again and climbed back a bit but running in a lonely 4th I made a couple of errors and damaged the car which became unpredictable at times but if I was very smooth it was OK but it eventually bit me and it was race over. I was very happy with my setup and I finally felt I was driving the car rather than it driving me. Well, for the first 10 laps anyway.

Backmarkers were great on a narrow track so thanks all.

Had a scary moment lapping Paul when I had to stick the tail out and it must have almost hit him.
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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2011, 12:25:28 AM +0100 »

Had a scary moment lapping Paul when I had to stick the tail out and it must have almost hit him.

Nowhere near Mike - I was busy crashing at the time having left too much room and thus leaving the track  Grin
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« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2011, 12:49:27 AM +0100 »

Tough race was this one, Sandown certainly commands attention.

Practice paid off in Qualifying, just nipped to a UKGPL lap record by Hristo though, normal service resumed. Tongue

In the race I chased Hristo to the finish... and that's pretty much it. Everyone was very courteous when allowing others to lap them, its appreciated.

Pretty pleased with another podium, Grats H, Ronnie and all the survivors. Smiley
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« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2011, 12:51:57 AM +0100 »

You've still got the lap record on the practice server Beefpie!
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« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2011, 01:06:12 AM +0100 »

Excellent. Wink
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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2011, 09:15:13 AM +0100 »

Looks like a close run thing in both divisions.

Well done Joe, keeping that close to the resident alien, Hristo, is something you should be pleased with, you seem to be getting consistency to go with your speed.

Time for you to stop all that real-life racing I think, and concentrate on GPL Cheesy
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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2011, 11:00:13 AM +0100 »

I thought this was going to be a bit of a chore when I started my practice session but it turned out to be an enjoyable track to drive once I'd got into a rhythm. The race saw me spin off a few too many times with ensuing time consuming 3 point turns but fortunately without serious damage and I managed to pick up a few points as the last of the finishers.
I was surprised to see team mate Bernie take an early bath  - the result of not having had enough time to practice I'd guess. That's what comes from ignoring the golden rule -Sunday is for the Soggies, not the seaside Cheesy
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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2011, 11:59:58 AM +0100 »

Phew that was hard work. I'm glad to have finally finished a race, my first since Westfield I believe  Shocked. That said, there was really no hope of a podium as I was miles off the pace, even for such a short lap. Made a reasonable start to pass Arf on the first lap and from then on it was a lonely drive to the flag.

I apologise for my warping car Arf. Normally my internet doesn't give me too much grief these days so I hope what happened was only a one off that race. Congrats to H, Joe and Bob on their podium places.
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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2011, 12:49:12 PM +0100 »

A race to remember, from start to end, from last to first, and various points in between.  But I personally believe, this race should've been red flagged, as soon as it's rightful owner took the lead.  With all the worry about freezing disco's, gyrations, and curvature, it was all enough to throw one into a spin - several times, in fact ! Roll Eyes

I suspected from practice, the racing would be close.  I chose the quick getaway option, as did my accursed rivals.  Managed to outdrag Ross going over the hill, for 2nd, but rubbed the next inside kerb, slewing gracefully from the oncoming crowd, down to a virtual last.  Made a second 360 to remedy the dizziness, and proceeded to chase.

By mid-race I was hunting down Ronnie for 3rd, and by the time I arrived, he'd maken the lead.  I chose the same hill as the first lap, to make my pass on, sans rub, but spun it away within a lap.  So the process was repeated - my Brabham was faster, his tenacity was unpretentious . . . was what?  Anyway, a similar spin left me bereft, and new man Dave in 2nd.  He'd sneaked up on us, and with my tyres now shot, I could no longer close the gap. Undecided

The replay tells of an amazing battle for the win, with use of grass, track and armco, by Ronnie, to told off a charging Dave.  Epic stuff, great win !  Hope all were rewarded with a good race, on a challenging track.  It wasn't boring, and I didn't notice any slouches !  Nonetheless, I think a red flag, while I was leading, would've been the preferred option.
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