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September 11, 2011, 10:58:10 PM +0100 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
 Team		 Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Beefpie
 		 Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:23.654
---		 1 49:41.529
---		 35 1:24.597
---
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7		 Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.932
---		 2 +1:15.762
---		 35 1:25.586
---
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing		 Honda RA300 F1 1967 2 +0.641
---		 3 +1:26.733
---		 35 1:25.018
---
Firestone  
Baab
 		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +1.331
---		 4 +1L
---		 34 1:25.737
---
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing		 Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +2.702
---		 5 +2.616
---		 34 1:26.438
---
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +1.341
---		 6 +18L
---		 17 1:25.995
---
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 10 +4.194
---		 7 +28L
---		 7 1:27.857
---
Goodyear  
jhalli
 		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 8 +2.925
---		 8 +32L
---		 3 1:26.572
---
Firestone  
Artiglietti
 		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.442
---		 9 +35L
---		 0 ---
---
Goodyear  
john roberts
 		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +3.587
---		 DNS ---
---
Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 ---
---
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Congratulations to Hristo on winning the Division Championship.
Nothing reported with one lap one incident (see below).

Server replay time: 0h01m08s

On lap one Art loses control spins up onto the banking then rolls back down and ends up on the track upside down.
Being lap one this is in close traffic and consequently has a knock-on (read spinning) effect on the following; Fulvio, Evil, Juha, Sam. Luckilly none of the drivers affected had to retire as a direct result of this.

However the incident is down to a pure loss of control and, as opposed to errors of judgement, we don't normally penalise for this hence it goes down as a racing incident. It would be appropriate to give a reminder to take extra care on lap one while tyres are still cold.

September 12, 2011, 11:20:59 AM +0100 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team		 Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.195
108.418mph		 1 51:42.361
105.822mph		 35 1:27.028
107.781mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing		 Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.175
108.443mph		 2 (+2) +18.334
105.201mph		 35 1:26.255
108.747mph
Firestone  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.788
106.458mph		 3 +51.209
104.104mph		 35 1:28.447
106.052mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:26.322
108.663mph		 4 (+2) +1:29.543
102.854mph		 35 1:26.730
108.151mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club		 Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.408
106.919mph		 5 +1L
102.560mph		 34 1:28.538
105.943mph
Firestone  
s2173
 		 Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 5 +1.085
107.314mph		 6 +9.923
102.233mph		 34 1:28.453
106.045mph
Goodyear  
HendyNichols
 		 BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +2.234
105.921mph		 7 +1:12.307
100.229mph		 34 1:28.266
106.269mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 14 +2.958
105.062mph		 8 +3L
96.579mph		 32 1:29.781
104.476mph
Firestone  
hannah
 		 Honda RA300 F1 1967 15 +9.092
98.308mph		 9 +6L
86.357mph		 29 1:36.276
97.428mph		 Disco
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.691
106.575mph		 10 +26L
97.146mph		 9 1:28.998
105.395mph		 Disco
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing		 Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 13 +2.605
105.480mph		 11 +5.689
96.514mph		 9 1:28.145
106.415mph		 Disco
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 10 +2.326
105.811mph		 12 +28L
101.907mph		 7 1:29.683
104.590mph		 Disco
Firestone  
Allan Davis
 		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +0.509
108.026mph		 13 +29L
104.139mph		 6 1:27.799
106.835mph		 Disco
Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +2.475
105.634mph		 14 +30L
101.187mph		 5 1:29.528
104.771mph		 Disco
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing		 BRM P115 F1 1967 15 DNS ---
---
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +2.581
105.508mph		 16 ---
---
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 15 17 ---
---
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Congratulations to Ronnie on winning the Championship.
We had a clean lap one but one issue regarding the Stop and Go rules (see below) along with a few reports.

Server replay time: 0h09m30s

Ronnie and Mike T are racing with Mike ahead. They approach the corner and yellow flags are clearly visible. As they round the corner Hannah can be seen spinning. A green flag is being shown AFTER the Hannah spin. The rules clearly say this;
"Drivers may not overtake any car they are racing with, until they are sure they have passed a green flag or they are sure they have passed the incident and the green flag has been taken in."

Accordingly the green flag was being waved but had NOT been passed, neither could drivers be sure the incident was cleared, therefore no overtake attempt against Mike should have been made.

Ronnie did attempt a pass up the inside (by this time Hannah was off the track) but he had no overlap at turn in and Mike could not have been expected to see the manouvre as there was so little time and he was probably concentrating on where Hannah was going.
Under the circumstances this was an illegal manouvre which also resulted in a collision, and this ruling must apply;
"Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver."

Server replay time: 0h09m54s

Dave R's engine is having a cigarrette so he pulls into the pits, stops then resets. He does not take a subsequent Stop and Go.
The rules state a Stop and Go must be taken AFTER a reset not before. What he should of done was pull up before the pits, reset then driven on and done his SnG.
Under the circumstances an advantage was gained and it must be treated as ignoring the SnG.

However I do not believe this is severe enough to warrant an Exclusion as perhaps he thought this was acceptable. Please note, for future, SnG's must be taken AFTER a reset and must be taken separately.
Under the circumstances a 30 second time penalty will be applied.

Server replay time: 0h19m46s

Dave, Martin and Ronnie are playing duelling banjo's and Ronnie has just squeezed into the lead. Ahead it can clearly be seen they are closing on a much slower car. Ronnie is obviously keen not to loose his lead but attempts to lap through a corner whereas he should have held back. The car being lapped, Hannah, was not doing anything wrong and not deliberately holding anyone up bearing in mind where they were on the circuit.

Ronnie goes to pass on the inside of the corner and there is contact. There are some addtional circumstances;
- Hannah appears to have been struggling through the corner although he cannot be said to have been completely out of control
- the server shows no direct contact but, at the trajectories they were on, contact was extremely likely to happen.

Technically this is what should apply;
"Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver."

However, I am going to mitigate the penalty down to a Warning due to the following;
- the driver ahead did not appear to be fully in control and hence took a slightly unpredicatable line through the corner (this is not to place any blame on Hannah)
- there is a slight element of warp in here

Server replay time: 0h30m22s

Dave R is approaching Hannah to lap him. It is clear DR is much faster and whilst attempting the pass he clips Hannah's rear right tyre. Similar to the above this was not the place to overtake and Hannah did nothing wrong and did not attempt to hold anyone up.

Again this is the rule that applies;
"Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver."
Apart from the fact it was a lapping situation, which in itself does not mean any greater risk should be taken merely the car being lapped should not hinder, I cannot find any mitigating circumstances.

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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2011, 11:45:04 AM +0100 »
Quote from: blito on September 12, 2011, 08:28:29 PM +0100
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2011, 12:06:20 PM +0100 »
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2011, 05:11:42 PM +0100 »
Apologies to Mike, Hannah and also Bernie from a very contrite Ronnie. oops  Congrats to Martin on second.  thumbup1
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2011, 06:03:43 PM +0100 »
"You naughty man !" . . . Unaccustomed as I am, to speeches - With the final race rulings upon us, it would appear I've been promoted to  podium person in Privateers, in the Season's standings.  A big THANK YOU! to Cookie, who lent me his backup wheel from Germany, mid-season - I quickly discovered it goes forwards as well !  And when my 35euro replacement broke, after only 2 months of hard use, his reluctance to be reunited, allowed me to step up from 5th, at the final race.

Ronnie and Ross were, undoubtedly the class of the field, but the standard of driving displayed by everyone, by seasons end, was worthy of admiration.  I think the spectators got their moneysworth . . ."That Champagne is wet you know, Bernie !" clown
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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2011, 06:25:30 PM +0100 »
Congrats again Martin, only just spotted your elevation to the heady heights of the Privateers standings at Bernie's expense. I will certainly raise a glass in your honour tonight mate.
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2011, 08:25:20 PM +0100 »
I just read the moderation report ...I find it very hard for me  angel
but ok : "dura lex, sed lex" or "I fought the law and the law won" as it was singing by one of my favourite band.

For the Stop and Go, first I stopped and then I reset and yes, I thought it was the correct move.
Now I will remember this rule "first reset, then stop and go"

For the pass of Hannah, I didn't know I touched his rear right tyres... so I'm sorry for Hannah, all my apologizes  :'(

 

 
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2011, 08:45:10 AM +0100 »
Hi Guys,

Did you check my finishing position as per my post below.  Suppose it doesn't really matter, but I finished in front of Evil, but due the pit lane start GPL counted me as being a lap down.  I even drove an extra lap at the end to make sure. 

Bob.

Quote from: Baab on September 12, 2011, 08:30:27 PM +0100
I passed a couple of cars and some others bit the dust in one way or another...Clive obliged me by moving off the circuit, probably due overheating tyres.  I then closed slowly on Fulvio and Arf until I lost concentration and checked out the scenery...a few times (it's rather nice!).  I finished in front of Clive, but GPL assumes I was a lap down due my pit lane start...do I get P4 or P5?

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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2011, 12:52:21 AM +0100 »
Quote from: Baab on September 24, 2011, 08:45:10 AM +0100
Hi Guys,
Did you check my finishing position as per my post below.  Suppose it doesn't really matter, but I finished in front of Evil, but due the pit lane start GPL counted me as being a lap down.  I even drove an extra lap at the end to make sure. 
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Sorry Bob missed that, only tend to work on incident reported items.
Do you want me to look and revamp the results?
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2011, 05:21:07 PM +0100 »
Hi Vos,

Sorry to drag this out, but I'd like it if you could have a look at this.

Cheers,

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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2011, 05:36:20 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Baab on September 25, 2011, 05:21:07 PM +0100
Hi Vos,
Sorry to drag this out, but I'd like it if you could have a look at this.
Cheers,
Bob
Hope you don't mind but rather then work out the exact timings of how far you were in front of Evil I have just plonked in a random time to put you in front in the results.
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2011, 08:00:54 PM +0100 »

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Hope you don't mind but rather then work out the exact timings of how far you were in front of Evil I have just plonked in a random time to put you in front in the results.
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Thanks for taking a look, random time is fine with me.

Cheers,

Bob.
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