UKGPL Season 21 (2011) GT - Le Mans (Sarthe) - Sep 4

[jhalli]

where i can find race replay file ??, i cant find it from usual place, Need to check who and what happened on lap2 Mulsanne straight just before hairpin.

[BadBlood]

I am putting it up now...

[jhalli]

thanks 

[BadBlood]

Right - results as at Tim starting the Sixteenth Lap (taking that as the Chequered Flag)

FMG	16 Laps	57:47
Hristo Itchov	+1 Lap	55:17
Cookie	+12	55:29
Fulvio Policardi	+46	56:03
Rainier	+1:37	56:54
Phil Thornton	+1:52	57:09
Steve Bird	+1:54	57:11
Martin Hunt	+2:13	57:30
Evil Clive	+2:41	57:58
Geoff Heard	+3:04	58:21
Hendy Nichols	+2 Laps	56:11
S2173	+3 Laps	55:45
BadBlood	+0:15	56:00

Replay is up so please feel free to check my results...

[jhalli]

I think it would more fair if we get the results when Tim crossed last time the s/f line at 16th lap so all get their right position. After that there was a mass disco and only 3 drivers were counted.
Ciao

no this is only fair to those drivers who was able to race till "mass disco" , not fair at all for drivers who discoed or have screen freezes before "mass disco" and this all is happening because track have disco issues. Should you just say to these drivers it was just a bad luck and please look forward ?

i recommend re -race with another track that is known " no problem track"

[b_1_rd]

I think it will open a can of worms if the result is adapted on this occasion for discos. Where next is the line drawn; 5 drivers disco together and we call it a result, 7 maybe? I'm not sure what the best solution is, whether it be a rerun or whatever, but I can see this being brought up in the future as a 'well it was done for le mans in season 21 etc etc'.

I do see the proposed result as an option and a sensible compromise but if it is decided to be accepted I suggest it is indicated as a one off occasion and similar instances will be looked at on a case by case basis, so a full review of the rules for reruns and discos is not required.

Oh how I'm glad I'm not a moderator.

Just my 2p!

[Hristo Itchov]

I think it would more fair if we get the results when Tim crossed last time the s/f line at 16th lap so all get their right position. After that there was a mass disco and only 3 drivers were counted.
Ciao

no this is only fair to those drivers who was able to race till "mass disco" , not fair at all for drivers who discoed or have screen freezes before "mass disco" and this all is happening because track have disco issues. Should you just say to these drivers it was just a bad luck and please look forward ?

i recommend re -race with another track that is known " no problem track"

We've never compensated drivers who discoed/froze separately on their own in the past, so why demand that we do it now? I've lost whole championships because of freezes I've experienced in numerous races, but it was only when mass disco/freeze happened that we had a rerun. In this case, most people were reluctant to rerun it and given the distance of the whole event, we've covered more than half of it, having ran for about an hour, which is as long as our normal events. IMO it's perfectly fine to take the result before the mass disco and use it as final. Whether you hand out half points or full points, only that's left to be decided.

I would agree if this was our usual 50 minutes race and we had mass disco at mid-point, after 20-30 minutes of racing, but it's not the case here, so I don't think you can compare it.

[vosblod]

These are the UKGPL rules relating to red flagging races and mass disco's;

A race will be red flagged by the moderator only if at least half the drivers are disconnected from the server during lap one due to network problems. This may mean the race will have to be rescheduled due to time factors. Start line crashes will not be red flagged, no matter how many cars are involved.

In the event of a mass disconnection or other server problem the moderator may, at their discretion:
reconstruct the result based on the replay, if available;
declare the race to be red flagged at the end of the preceding lap and take the final results from that lap; or
declare the race null and void and arrange for it to be run again.

So basically it is the division moderators decision on a case by case basis. We don't have a definition of how many constitute a 'mass disconnection' but, by virtue of the first paragraph, I would say it should involve at least half the drivers all crashing out at around the same point in time.
Until Ginetto looks into things I am not sure we can categorically say it is a 'problem' track, sometimes these things are due to servers/connections.

Anyway that is the rule position.

[b_1_rd]

Ah, my misunderstanding then, I thought it only applied to lap 1.  Up to the mod to call it then; whatever they decide ITS WRONG, WRONG!!!! I WANT MY SECOND PLACE, ITS MINE! 

[BadBlood]

To be clear, Juha and Vos and Sam would retain their places as at the moment in addition to the results I have outlined. The reults represent the LAST COMPLETED LAPS before the mass disconnection. I do not think that there can be any argument that this was a mass disco.

Nonetheless it is up to Clive to decide how he wants to proceed. I have merely presented the evidence. The first line of the rules allows Clive some latitude in reconstructing a result. We could also let the current result stand.

Given that we are so close to the end of the season, I am not sure a re-run would attract a large field. I, for one, would not take part.

Whatever we do, it will be unfair to somebody but I am determined to do whatever it takes to remove Steve from his second place... 

[Hristo Itchov]

Whatever we do, it will be unfair to somebody but I am determined to do whatever it takes to remove Steve from his second place... 

Unless of course he finally accepts his destiny and joins Hiki-Waza! 

[BadBlood]

... in which case he might find he won 

[happyal]

Unless of course he finally accepts his destiny and joins Hiki-Waza! 

I don't think Steve will join the dark side.

[BadBlood]

If you only knew the 'Power of Dreams' (ahem)

hehe 

[Hristo Itchov]

Unless of course he finally accepts his destiny and joins Hiki-Waza!  

I don't think Steve will join the dark side.

Let's see, green is darker than white. 'Nuff said.