UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Privateers Trophy (67) - Albi - Feb 24

[DLogan]

...Its plain to see  I "gave " you the corner...

Seriously? Outbraking me into Double Droit (after I'd pulled up alongside) and then cutting across my nose is your definition of "giving" me the corner?



How am I supposed to have "the speed down the straight" when we're in the same car?

[tintin]

I have a bit of quarrel with Tintin, who is a backmarker, but decides to not let me through at the straght, but to race me into the Parc turn. His intentions are good, unfortunately his connection decides to have an epileptic seazure exactly in the same moment. I grind to a halt truyng to avoid his car, which manages to be at two places at once.

Sorry s2173 for the feared situation and lost seconds. At the beginning, I thought you 'll pass during the straight line. Sorry for my poor connection.

The race was very hard.
I was too slow with MY Honda (what idea keeping this car here !? )
Good start but great confusion after N. Smith pushed H.Nico, i had just passed before that ; The "catapulted H.Nico." was impressive; In the meantime , D. Curtis must avoid the ahead drivers, which became very slow due  to another confusion ahead, i guess. I used a similar line as Dave C. in order to avoid these drivers, but Dave decreased abruptly his speed and i pushed him; so, new spin, and new multiple contacts...

If not,  good fun to try to follow Paul W. during numerous laps. a pity : a hot crash with Paul in front of the pitlane when he crossed the road after a "Z" like Zorro !!!   . Lucky: no dammage for us !!
A big fear with Nigel which overtook me at the end of a braking zone, while Dave C. was already engaged to pass me. I left a great opened door to avoid any problem with Dave and this infiltration between us seems me very unexpected, dangerous, foolish and unnecessary : Nigel went out of the corner due to this obvious overspeed.

Sad to see Geoff had a very good qualification time but can't have a good race here :'(. Hope for you the blue sky will arrive soon 
 

 

    

[bernie]

I have a bit of quarrel with Tintin, who is a backmarker, but decides to not let me through at the straght, but to race me into the Parc turn. His intentions are good, unfortunately his connection decides to have an epileptic seazure exactly in the same moment. I grind to a halt truyng to avoid his car, which manages to be at two places at once.

Sorry s2173 for the feared situation and lost seconds. At the first time, I thouht you 'll pass me during the straight line. Sorry for my poor connection.

The race was very hard.
I was too slow with MY Honda (what idea keeping this car here !? )
Good start but great confusion after N. Smith pushed H.Nico, i had just passed before that ; The "catapulted H.Nico." was impressive; In the meantime , D. Curtis avoided the ahead drivers which became very slow due  to another confusion ahead i guess. I' used a similar line as Dave C. in order to avoid these drivers but Dave decreased abruptly his speed and i pushed him; so new spin and multiple contacts...

If not,  good fun to try to follow Paul W. during numerous laps. a pity : a hot crash with Paul in front of the pitlane when he crossed the road after a "Z" like Zorro !!!   . Lucky: no dammage for us !!
A big fear with Nigel which overtook me at the end of a breaking zone, while Dave C. was already engaged to pass me. I left a great opened door to avoid any problem with Dave and this infiltration between us seemed me very unexpected, dangerous and usefullness : Nigel was out of the corner due to obvious overspeed.

Sad to see Geoff had a very good qualification time but can't have a good race here :'(. Hope for you the blue sky will arrive soon
 

 

    

Not from where i was sat in the car please have a look at my view , a totally different view . You would have had the speed because of the tow , you pass me and then choose to back off into the corner , I cant see you there I was doing normal braking , there was room inside the corner , there are other people are racing here , we had just passed Florian ? he had made a mistake and recovered , I saw  a brabham in my mirror But whose ? , you or flo's who I am racing ? take a look at a few laps before this when you pass Andreas ? the same corner the same circumstance , suppose he was at fault for failing to yield as well  , but no worries , maybe we should all take a tea break while you have the track to yourself .
Sorry if this sounds off hand but i do not see your gripe when you have the race in your pocket , no competition , 2 secs a lap faster than the ones you are lapping and "you " have the choice of where to pass , even if you stayed behind for another lap or more you would still have won  by a country mile . Sorry if you think I tried to outbrake you , but that is not the case but admit I didnt want to slow because strange as it may seem I was racing too , it was your choice to pass in the worst corner possible the next straight would have been fine
Again I just dont see why you make an issue of this and I cant see what i did wrong .

[s2173]

Again I just dont see why you make an issue of this and I cant see what i did wrong .

I can see what you did wrong... you're quoting the wrong comment.

Sorry s2173 for the feared situation and lost seconds. At the beginning, I thought you 'll pass during the straight line. Sorry for my poor connection.

No problem, Tintin... Its good to remember that if youre not in direct combat for positions yourself, its often better to slow down a bit so lappers can pass safely, much less drama that way... Youre doing rather well othervise and you seem to finish most of your races, which cant be said about me.

[DLogan]

...Not from where i was sat in the car please have a look at my view , a totally different view . You would have had the speed because of the tow , you pass me and then choose to back off into the corner...

Of course I've "backed off", I have this lapper who should have been braking early to let me through (as he was pretty much by himself on the track, not in any kind of fight for position), but instead is challenging me into Double Droit.

...I cant see you there...

But you know it's safe to turn in, HOW?

...I was doing normal braking...

So was I (watch my other laps, I braked at the same point every time) UNTIL I saw you challenging me.

...there was room inside the corner...

Yes, I know there was room. It's called "grass". I'd rather not be forced to use it.

...there are other people are racing here , we had just passed Florian ?...

It was Fabio, who was going two laps down at that point. Not racing either of us for position, so he didn't race us.

...I saw  a brabham in my mirror But whose ? , you or flo's who I am racing ?...

Maybe it's the same one that's been in your mirrors for the last four corners?

...take a look at a few laps before this when you pass Andreas ? the same corner the same circumstance , suppose he was at fault for failing to yield as well...

Not at all. I was nowhere near him at the entry, but he still slowed and pulled over.

...but no worries , maybe we should all take a tea break while you have the track to yourself...

If I wanted that, I'd just go hotlapping.

...Sorry if this sounds off hand but i do not see your gripe when you have the race in your pocket...

And any minor contact (added to GPL's fantastic collision physics), followed by a shift-r once the car stops flying around, and the stop-and-go (even if I don't get discoed which is much more likely if I've got damage), suddenly it's not so "in my pocket" anymore.

..."you" have the choice of where to pass...

You DON'T have the choice, is my point. If you're holding up someone who's trying to lap you, however minimally, you are in the wrong.

...I didnt want to slow...

Irrelevant. See above.

...because strange as it may seem I was racing too...

Who were you "racing"? Sky, who was two corners ahead of you, or Andreas, who was even further behind you?

...it was your choice to pass in the worst corner possible...

Now I'm controlling where I come up to you, which means that I'm controlling not only my car, but yours as well. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

... the next straight would have been fine...

IT'S NOT UP TO YOU.

...I cant see what i did wrong .

Well, maybe the moderator can help with that.

[bernie]

molehills and mountains ?

[dave curtis]

Well, that was not as enjoyable as I hoped.

Not been here before in the 67's (first time was for the '65 race fairly recently) but luckily the few corners still go the same way.  Still, it's not like there is any setup work to be done.  For me, in the Kyalami vs. Mosport stakes - Mosport won again.

Unfortunately, in the closing moments of qually I ventured out again to try a feel of approaching T1/2 with stiff tyres & full tanks.   Where the sound suddenly was very choppy/extreme echo.  Tried a reset by no difference.  No time to leave/rejoin & unfortunately that is how the race was run too - with useless sound,  which is probably a first with this aging machine.

It also seemed that Prib was having difficulties telling the truth.  Seemed to be changing it's mind at times as to who/where the cars around me were.   Cars were flicking behind/ahead/behind & there just seemed to be some uncertaintly/downright lies at times.

Had a few fun/close runnings around the place.   I must admit,  the non-tangle round at the double-droit area is a moment of not exactly comedy gold,  but just a little surprising that there was no resulting pile-up!

Pushing at the end to try to catch Tintin with the slim hope of sneaking that 10th place,  but too far up the road in the end.

From looking at the GPLRA data,  maybe I should have just reset after the 1st couple of turns.  I thought I had bent a couple of the car's corners, but was not aware of the really early engine problem  (I was when it finally let go near the end though!).  Wondered why top speed was down,   but just assumed it was due to all that fuel.


Still, I was otherwise looking forward to the Sunday drive - so that mission at least accomplished.

Cheers lads.
Dave.

[Geoff65]

Dean, this is Privateers for a reason...the drivers in this class are not all expert and make mistakes in the heat of battle. Your total race time would have seen you a clear second and the only driver NOT to be lapped in Works by John Bradbury....Perhaps works may be a better option for you? Just a suggestion.
Geoff.


Edit: And at least top 4 in Qually.....

[ivandjj]

To add a bit of perspective to Geoff's words

I encountered Logan on the server couple hours before the race and he was massively faster in the same car, no way i could race him. And i had a decent pace in works, would've finished 4th without disco.

I bet it would be much more fun for Logan in Works and to Bernie here if he switched 

Didn't see the replay, am not suggesting that situation was anyone's fault.

[maddog]

We do tend to be more a bunch of friendly gentlemen racers in Privateers.  It's supposed to be a learning ground for future champions.  you've a champions attitude, and the speed to go with it Dean.

[BadBlood]

Enough debate I think.

We pride ourselves on being competitive but friendly. Let's make sure we keep it that way. OK?

[DLogan]

Works is definitely an option (for NEXT season). I joined Privateers because I've never raced the 67F1s in a league, and looking at the Watkins Glen qualifying times, I figured I'd have a chance of winning the occasional race (in Privateers) if I could get my consistency up to a good level. Anyone who thinks I don't make mistakes hasn't watched my replays (and missed the Zeltweg race completely).

If outright pace is the criterion, then there is one here who should be making the transfer well ahead of me, and at least two others who should be "bumped" at the same time, if not before. If it's results we're looking at, same situation.

"A learning ground for future champions" should include how to safely deal with traffic lapping you, IMO. Watching how more advanced drivers do it is the best way to learn how to do it yourself when the time comes.

[Cookie]

Yes Dean, I am in nearly the same situation.
I sneaked into 67s the last season, as I never before had raced them seriously.
I have learned to make setups that suit my driving and so I can do some pretty fast laps, but I am far away from being consistent.
Just take the GPLRA and look into Race History Graph 

BTW Dean, our T1 was a 50:50 RI IMO 
Seems we have to practice more some side by side corners, like we did in Monza with the GT's

[AnGex]

 
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...take a look at a few laps before this when you pass Andreas ? the same corner the same circumstance , suppose he was at fault for failing to yield as well  , ...

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Ja, I saw the leader coming. Pull to the outside, slowed down. Let the leader pass and step on the gas again. That´s it.

Grats to the podium and all finishers.

So long
Andreas

[ivandjj]

Enough debate I think.

We pride ourselves on being competitive but friendly. Let's make sure we keep it that way. OK?

Maybe it's cultural differences, my IQ, EQ or assQ but i really honestly do not understand why do you say enough debate at this point?


I remember in my first stint here other admins being debate unfriendly. I find that very unhealthy.

Open and civilized debate is good for healthy relationships. Keeping mouth shut and behind closed doors decisions are not.


For evidence, see Logan's last post in A Debate. His post sensibly explains it all and it's a natural end of the debate.