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« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2013, 02:15:56 PM +0000 » |
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LOL  Great sense of humor (I really hope it wasn't a serious post...haha) Poor Senna! Thinking in this hilarious way, he should have been banned from F1 minutes after the 1992 Monaco Grand Prix Lol ! Are you the first brasilian supporter which considers the Prost behavior was a normal way when he blocked Senna at Suzuka GP 89!!??? This attitude was not acceptable for me. Although Prost' behavior was slighty understandable because there was no really lap time difference between them. When you have 4 seconds lap time diff. of course the ethic (from a 1967 PoV !!) is to recognize the follower is quicker and merit to gain the place, regularly. The ethic PoV disappeared with the investissors. But i don't think it should be the case with the sim. Only pure competitive and natural rivality should be expected (even if it shall be extreme between the best racers, as you are). What are you talking about?? Where on earth did you see me talking about Prost x Senna in Suzuka/89?? Geez...I'm talking about Monaco 1992 (Senna x Mansell). Read carefully before you say these bizarre things, because - honestly - you're putting yourself into an awkward situation... It's hilarious...  |
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tintin
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« Reply #106 on: March 24, 2013, 07:03:03 PM +0000 » |
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I was just trying to explain you were defending a driving line as Prost used with Senna in Suzuka.
And this kind of behavior (which can not be considered as fair play , even if it is "legal") commonly leads to racing incident.
It is the reason why, it is not recommended as an usual driving line.
But if you do not want to see the things like me, it is not a problem Raoni, because there is no chance i have to race with you.
Nevertheless, i think some quicker racers could not be appreciated your driving style when you are "defending" your position.
And if they have a little of magic brazilian blood, it is not impossible the result could be the same as Prost/Senna racing incident.
I doubt at this time it will be a so hilarious situation.
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #107 on: March 24, 2013, 07:47:24 PM +0000 » |
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I was just trying to explain you were defending a driving line as Prost used with Senna in Suzuka.
And this kind of behavior (which can not be considered as fair play , even if it is "legal") commonly leads to racing incident.
It is the reason why, it is not recommended as an usual driving line.
But if you do not want to see the things like me, it is not a problem Raoni, because there is no chance i have to race with you.
Nevertheless, i think some quicker racers could not be appreciated your driving style when you are "defending" your position.
And if they have a little of magic brazilian blood, it is not impossible the result could be the same as Prost/Senna racing incident.
I doubt at this time it will be a so hilarious situation.
There is no comparison between Senna's defensive driving against Mansell in 1992 Monaco and Prost hitting Senna at Suzuka 1989, so no... It's totally legal to drive defensively, as long as you're not blocking and/or hitting the other cars. |
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tintin
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« Reply #108 on: March 24, 2013, 08:04:54 PM +0000 » |
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It's totally legal to drive defensively, as long as you're not blocking and/or hitting the other cars.
Of course totally legal ....but not very fairplay, isn't it?? One question : what is the limit blocking / no blocking ?? Question of PoV . Sorry but when a guy come from the bottom to your very first places and can not overtake you, for me it is "blockage". And such behavior has not to be encouraged. And for the hitting, if no effort is made by each driver , of course there will be contact. Too much easy to say the fault would be due to the guy behind... |
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2013, 08:17:13 PM +0000 » |
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Why do you call it a lack of fair play? Are you suggesting the driver in front should just open the door for someone who's quicker? I wouldn't call that racing, there would be no battle, no skill involved in overtaking, in putting pressure on the driver in front to create an opening.
As for defending vs. blocking, I remember it was written somewhere in the UKGPL rules, it was something like this:
Defending is when the driver in front takes a defensive line before the driver behind makes a move to attack. Blocking is when the driver in front reacts to the attack to block the path of the driver behind.
Of course this is only when the cars are close to each other, it's not the same when you're at a distance and just breaking the tow/slipstream. Also, you shouldn't change lines in a braking zone because once someone is committed to a line under braking, there's little you can do if someone blocks your path and you have to avoid.
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DLogan
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« Reply #110 on: March 24, 2013, 08:22:25 PM +0000 » |
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...Of course totally legal ....but not very fairplay, isn't it??
One question : what is the limit blocking / no blocking ?? Question of PoV ... So something can be totally legal, but not "very fairplay", and you're not bringing your POV into it. Right. ...Sorry but when a guy come from the bottom to your very first places and can not overtake you, for me it is "blockage"... Then I should get busy protesting Marco, Fulvio, Andreas, Tom, and Axel for the 69X race at Kya? Because they were defending (cleanly), even though I was faster and having trouble getting past them cleanly, they were blocking? edit: spelled Axel's name wrong |
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« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2013, 10:44:19 PM +0000 » |
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As an evidence, i am wrong ...
So here, as observed by Magic following our humble Raoni Senna which believes re-playing the final laps of Monaco 92 anywhere, the philosophy is :
"closing every doors as possible by keeping the inside, just to don't be overpassed by somebody clearly quicker"
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #112 on: March 25, 2013, 06:43:48 AM +0000 » |
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It may be irritating, but there is a way to deal with that - put incredible pressure on the driver in front and inevitably they make a mistake. It has always worked for me, even if it takes a lot of laps, but you have to be patient.
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DLogan
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« Reply #113 on: March 25, 2013, 07:53:45 AM +0000 » |
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It may be irritating, but there is a way to deal with that - put incredible pressure on the driver in front and inevitably they make a mistake. It has always worked for me, even if it takes a lot of laps, but you have to be patient.
I wouldn't say inevitably (and you've probably jinxed yourself by doing so  ) but almost always, and many of my most satisfying races were just like that. An example: me vs. Ronnie at Riverside earlier this season, where it took until the final corner of the final lap. I'll remember that one for a while. |
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« Reply #114 on: March 25, 2013, 07:58:26 AM +0000 » |
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It may be irritating, but there is a way to deal with that - put incredible pressure on the driver in front and inevitably they make a mistake. It has always worked for me, even if it takes a lot of laps, but you have to be patient.
I wouldn't say inevitably (and you've probably jinxed yourself by doing so ) but almost always, and many of my most satisfying races were just like that. An example: me vs. Ronnie at Riverside earlier this season, where it took until the final corner of the final lap. I'll remember that one for a while. Well I'm yet to see someone who never cracks under pressure.  |
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« Reply #115 on: March 25, 2013, 04:55:06 PM +0000 » |
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It may be irritating, but there is a way to deal with that - put incredible pressure on the driver in front and inevitably they make a mistake. It has always worked for me, even if it takes a lot of laps, but you have to be patient.
I wouldn't say inevitably (and you've probably jinxed yourself by doing so ) but almost always, and many of my most satisfying races were just like that. An example: me vs. Ronnie at Riverside earlier this season, where it took until the final corner of the final lap. I'll remember that one for a while. Thanks Dean, I really needed reminding of that :'( |
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DLogan
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« Reply #116 on: March 25, 2013, 06:11:39 PM +0000 » |
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...Thanks Dean, I really needed reminding of that :'(
All the times someone else has done the same to me? Denied Forgotten.  "The best revenge is ... revenge". Me, 2013 |
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DLogan
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« Reply #117 on: March 31, 2013, 06:30:22 PM +0100 » |
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...the mid season review which will be underway in a week or two... How long do weeks last on that side of the pond? |
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BadBlood
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« Reply #118 on: March 31, 2013, 10:23:02 PM +0100 » |
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If I hadn't been in bed for two weeks with 'flu, same as that side. But as it is, look out tomorrow.
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Billy Nobrakes
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« Reply #119 on: April 30, 2013, 11:48:56 PM +0100 » |
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Mod report published - sorry about the delay, due to a holiday.
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