Geoff65
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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2013, 05:33:25 PM +0000 » |
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Skippin' this one, a poor excuse for a goat track, rather than a race track. More likely be a crash fest than anything else. I'm off to bed......good luck everyone, you'll need it. Night.
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www.clark-hillracing.com"Racing is life.....anything that happens before or after, is just waiting" Steve McQueen from "Le Mans" GPL Rank +15.145 29/3/2012
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DLogan
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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2013, 06:31:58 PM +0000 » |
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...they could win with an underrated car... Then, please, show where I've had ANY chance of winning an F2 race even in an equivalent car? Watkins showed what happens when I'm forced into a slower car. LAST on the grid (nearly half a second behind the next slowest car at the shortest track of the season) and LAST in the race (except for a late mistake by Ronnie).
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2013, 07:12:06 PM +0000 » |
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strange result considering your fl was only marginally slower than the2nd place Brabham of Al Heller, and you in an "inferior car " perhaps you took a wrong turn somewhere maybe you should stop whining and do your talking on the tarmac . just my tuppence worth
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DLogan
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2013, 07:26:30 PM +0000 » |
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...your fl was only marginally slower than the2nd place Brabham of Al Heller... Solely due to sitting in Axel's draft, while running dead last. Remove that factor and I was a full second slower. How is this "race winning" pace?
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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2013, 07:55:20 PM +0000 » |
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draughts is an excellent game to play in F2 , no doubt the faster cars got there times with the same aids to performance
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DLogan
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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2013, 08:28:12 PM +0000 » |
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...draughts is an excellent game to play in F2 , no doubt the faster cars got there times with the same aids to performance... Which has exactly what to do with showing how I can supposedly win races in a hamstrung car, as Rainier claimed (and you echoed) above?
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BadBlood
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Sassafrassarassum Rick Rastardly!
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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2013, 08:40:53 PM +0000 » |
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Wow - never knew you lot cared so much... four pages and we haven't even raced yet! As for dictatorship, lol, I was simply pointing out that if you don't like the system, that is fair enough but it is the same for everyone and whilst it may not be perfect we do feel that it is fair. It is a balance between keeping the championship close to allow lesser drivers a sniff of champagne, allowing the best drivers to win or podium and giving the moderators a ton of work... we haven't quite fallen over... yet
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BadBlood aka Angel Moose GPLRank +71.5ish GPL65Rank +71.1ish Other ranks? Middlin' Slowish
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DLogan
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2013, 09:00:21 PM +0000 » |
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...allow lesser drivers a sniff of champagne... The only time that's happened this season is when (at Brands) Raoni didn't show up, and BOTH Hristo and Clive discoed. Just sayin'.
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Rainier
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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2013, 10:36:28 PM +0000 » |
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...they could win with an underrated car... Then, please, show where I've had ANY chance of winning an F2 race even in an equivalent car? Watkins showed what happens when I'm forced into a slower car. LAST on the grid (nearly half a second behind the next slowest car at the shortest track of the season) and LAST in the race (except for a late mistake by Ronnie). Sorry Dean but I made a general remark not especially for you.
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Le silence éternel de ces espaces infinis m'effraie
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BadBlood
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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2013, 10:46:08 PM +0000 » |
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Clive was second in the Cooper - not such a great handicap - as we have said, that car is fairly even with all the others.
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BadBlood aka Angel Moose GPLRank +71.5ish GPL65Rank +71.1ish Other ranks? Middlin' Slowish
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DLogan
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« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2013, 11:06:00 PM +0000 » |
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Clive was second in the Cooper - not such a great handicap - as we have said, that car is fairly even with all the others.
Look again.
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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2013, 11:33:52 PM +0000 » |
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I did some comparative tests of F2, the performance is very close except Cooper is a little slower, ferrari and BT14 are much less efficient when you see the differences in the end have to make a racing with Lola instead of a matra or BT23 does not lose much (except when practices times are close like Watkin Glen)
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2013, 12:51:27 AM +0000 » |
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personnaly, if I miss some races in differents series, it's not because of a strategie for winning or because I'm affraid to drive a slower car than the others, I don't care about that...no, the only reason is that I'm racing in French ligues the tuesday,friday and sunday, and sometime there is a conflict of date.....but I never think about skip a race 'cause of points or badcar , it's just unclever, cause itch point is précious in a champ, and it's also a challenge to drive a slower car, and it's can help sometime ....if ( for exemple ) I win Jarama , I've goods chances to get a 2CV ( CITROËN ) for monza 10k.....no problémo ! I take it and do my best to bring back some precious points for the champ..... Bravo Tristan ! I am sure you would stay one of the best even with the BT14 in F2 or the Cooper in mod65. I really do not understand all these sim drivers contesting any decisions made by the moderators, they could win with an underrated car but they absolutely want the best ! why ? they really like boring races ? I've been handicapped and over-handicapped for some 5-6 years (some 10 seasons!) and had to drive my ass off, ruining my health, compensate all the time, even against people who were on my pace in equal machinery, and I'm simply tired of people in this league demanding that fast drivers are so handicapped that they stop winning races, which is what this is all about. How about they start winning on their own merit, work they asses off as much as I did and improve, or if they can't, then just accept they're slower and deal with it? There will always be someone quicker, but so what? Should I complain that JB is quicker than me? I'm really tired of being treated like an inhuman and people always washing their hands with the "oh but I'm slow" excuse - I don't care, it's your problem! All I ask for is fair rules for everyone, not an agenda to babysit slower drivers and destroy faster ones. Wow - never knew you lot cared so much... four pages and we haven't even raced yet! As for dictatorship, lol, I was simply pointing out that if you don't like the system, that is fair enough but it is the same for everyone and whilst it may not be perfect we do feel that it is fair. It is a balance between keeping the championship close to allow lesser drivers a sniff of champagne, allowing the best drivers to win or podium and giving the moderators a ton of work... we haven't quite fallen over... yet It's not the same for everyone. Regardless of how experienced, knowledgeable and wise you are, as long as YOU (someone) decides the handicap and not a written system that doesn't rely on anything but cold facts/stats, there will be unfairness one way or another. I can't believe you don't realize that.
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BadBlood
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« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2013, 01:26:05 AM +0000 » |
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Clive was second in the Cooper - not such a great handicap - as we have said, that car is fairly even with all the others.
Look again. Its a Coop in the import... you took the Lubetech! good ol' SROU!
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DLogan
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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2013, 02:30:33 AM +0000 » |
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Grats Ronnie.
Updated standings after Jarama (with drops taken into consideration): 1) Raoni 125 2) Tristan 124 3) Ronnie 116 4) DLogan 112 5) Clive 107 6) Hristo 106
See you at Sebring.
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