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April 14, 2013, 09:42:39 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 7 +2.145
146.123mph
1 41:14.778
144.597mph
16 2:32.707
146.459mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 5 +1.714
146.536mph
2 +0.083
144.592mph
16 2:32.619
146.544mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 8 +2.430
145.852mph
3 +10.249
144.001mph
16 2:31.678
147.453mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 11 +3.087
145.230mph
4 +20.331
143.419mph
16 2:31.965
147.174mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 1 2:30.913
148.200mph
5 +30.507
142.836mph
16 2:31.859
147.277mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 4 +1.170
147.060mph
6 +42.759
142.141mph
16 2:30.712
148.398mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 14 +3.635
144.715mph
7 +42.794
142.139mph
16 2:32.022
147.119mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 15 +3.744
144.613mph
8 +53.911
141.514mph
16 2:32.662
146.503mph
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 9 +2.485
145.800mph
10 +1:03.760
140.965mph
16 2:32.266
146.884mph
Firestone  
Dean_0
 
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +2.053
146.211mph
11 +3L
142.733mph
13 2:33.218
145.971mph
Disco
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.749
147.468mph
12 +8L
143.114mph
8 2:33.428
145.771mph
Disco
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Matra MS7 GPL F2 13 +3.336
144.995mph
13 +13L
143.901mph
3 2:30.634
148.475mph
Disco
Dunlop  
s2173
 Team7
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 10 +3.024
145.289mph
14 +15L
138.155mph
1 2:40.936
138.971mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 16 +4.158
144.227mph
15 +0.289
137.909mph
1 2:38.800
140.840mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 3 +1.031
147.195mph
16 DNS ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 17 17 ---
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Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 12 +3.109
145.209mph
Excluded +0L
141.508mph
16 2:32.280
146.870mph
Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Forgot that the start grid is on the left half rather than the right of the track - so the red zone will be to the exit of Parabolica.


Server replay time: 0h01m22s

Ronnie gets a good run on Clive into the Lesmos & gets his car in front - as Clive turns in his front clips Ronnies rear. Ronnie had overlap BUT the leading driver is generally unsighted & the overtakling driver has a responsibility to make a clean pass & anticipate the relative effect of his breaking point. In view of the degree of overlap just a caution.


Server replay time: 0h24m50s

Natan takes a second Shift R. Only one reset is allowed in this series.

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Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
2:30.913
148.200mph
EvilClive
Qualifying
Protos 16 (FVA)April 14, 2013, 09:42:39 PM +0100
S2467F2
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
2:30.634
148.475mph
fpolicardi
Race
Matra MS7April 14, 2013, 09:42:39 PM +0100
S2467F2
April 14, 2013, 09:42:51 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 4 +0.875
144.759mph
1 41:40.295
143.168mph
16 2:33.557
145.696mph
Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 3 +0.770
144.858mph
2 +14.252
142.356mph
16 2:34.197
145.091mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.632
144.987mph
3 +17.961
142.146mph
16 2:34.648
144.668mph
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 7 +1.778
143.919mph
4 (+2) +30.327
141.452mph
16 2:35.445
143.926mph
Goodyear  
ed76
 Team Coyote
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +0.990
144.652mph
5 +1:47.418
137.270mph
16 2:35.531
143.846mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 10 +2.676
143.092mph
6 +1:33.141
138.026mph
16 2:35.418
143.951mph
Firestone  
Boggy
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 11 +5.067
140.937mph
7 +1L
134.973mph
15 2:37.753
141.820mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 8 +1.850
143.852mph
9 (+2) +5L
141.854mph
11 2:33.556
145.696mph
Disco
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 13 10 +10L
140.818mph
6 2:33.918
145.354mph
Disco
Firestone  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 1 2:33.675
145.584mph
11 +16L
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 6 +1.477
144.198mph
12 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 13 ---
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Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 12 14 ---
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Firestone  
tintin
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 9 +2.203
143.526mph
Excluded +4L
136.898mph
12 2:33.703
145.557mph
Disco
Dunlop  

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Forgot that the start grid is on the left half rather than the right of the track - so the red zone will be to the exit of Parabolica.


Server replay time: 0h01m22s

Rainier brakes slightly early on teh approach to the first Lesmo to allow room for Paul V on the inside & Fabio runs into the back of Rainier.


Server replay time: 0h01m25s

Phillipe slows a little to avoud the previous incident. Fran should have seen what was happening ahead but & runs into Phillipe.Normally it would be an additional place for Lap 1 but reduced because of the previous incident.


Server replay time: 0h03m29s

Fran passes Ed on the exit from the oval - he squeezes Ed into the Armco by moving back on the the racing line too early. Fran can\'t see where Ed is but should have shown more awareness - until you can see the car in your mirrors you are not clear. According to the server there is a minor warp intervention but contact would almost have certianly happened.Side by Side penalty for Fran.
Fran reported a later incident with Bernie - this one was affected by a warp contact.


Server replay time: 0h05m50s

Tin Tin avoids the previous incident with DC & Ed - he loses shape which allows Boggy to slip through. There is clear air between the cars & the contact is down to warp.


Server replay time: 0h05m56s

Dave Curtis clips the inside of the track & spins across the track collecting Ed.


Server replay time: 0h06m11s

Ed doesn't take a Stop & Go after his Reset until Lap 15.


Server replay time: 0h09m25s

D Curtis takes a swan dive off tbe banking & Resets. His respawn gives Boggy little chance to avoid contact. Pleas try & ensure tha the track is clear before you reset. In this case the layout of the track & the banking made this fairly difficult.


Server replay time: 0h19m47s

Tin Tin takes a second Reset - only one is allowed in this series.

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« on: April 11, 2013, 01:33:29 PM +0100 »

THIS POST IS FOR THE LIGHT & HEAVY RACES

Round VI of the Formula 2 Trophy will take place on the infamous Monza 10K circuit. It’s the traditional Monza track with a banked oval which had been used for Formula 1 until 1961. Much of the race will taken in top gear & there will be plenty of opportunity for drafting.

The series will run on two separate grids ~ The Lights will run on T7 & the Heavys on UKGPL 3. Please ensure you join the correct race. The Driver list is shown below & the Championship Table can be found here F2 Trophy

Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion.
In the Lights Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Raoni & Magic Arsouille Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus.
In the Heavys – Rog UK – Group II, Rainier & Jonny O – Group III.  

A maximum of one reset is allowed per race & must be followed by a compulsory Stop & Go in the pit lane. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded. Incidents should be reported in the usual way.

In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation in the red zone which will the first Lpa on the banked oval. The Moderator may chose to investigate any other incident, in addition to reported incidents & red zone incidents.

Please note that for UKGPL has introduced a system of penalties within each series for drivers accumulating yellow cards – see the topic on Penalty Points here. Drivers incurring these penalties will receive a PM advising when a penalty has been applied & what race it should served.

LIGHT HEAVY
Arf Arf Badblood
Cookie Bernie
Evil Clive Billy Nobtrakes
Fulvio Bilto
Hristo Dave Curtis
King Hiro Geoff
Magic Arisoulle Giovanni
Natan Il Lupo
Phil Thornton Jonny O
Bartosz Nigel Smith
Raoni Frizzo Paul Villers
Ronnie Peterson Rainier
FMGBoggy
Skymole Francesco
Al Hellar Pierre D
Doni Yourth Vosblod
Dean LoganAdam Cooper
Dean 0 Ed76
Robert John Tin Tin
UliDu Fossa
RogUK
Maddog

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL3 & T7
Race date = Sunday 14-04-2013
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = monza10k
Race length = 16 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 04:13:04 PM +0100 »

Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion.
In the Lights Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Raoni & Magic Arsouille Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus.
In the Heavys – Rog UK – Group II, Rainier & Jonny O – Group III.  

Maybe we should wait for previous race' s moderation (Jarama for FII) before determining handicaps ??  Embarrassed Grin
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 10:59:05 PM +0100 »

...Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper)...

At Monza10k. For a 3 point lead (actually a 13 point deficit http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11550.msg207875#msg207875), they need me to be a further 3 seconds per lap off the pace. Seriously?
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 11:36:23 PM +0100 »

...Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper)...

At Monza10k. For a 3 point lead (actually a 13 point deficit http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11550.msg207875#msg207875), they need me to be a further 3 seconds per lap off the pace. Seriously?
We are still learning about the F2s.  Last season we made a special case for a similar fast track, Hockenhiem, and allowed the Lotus 48 to be used by the championship leader.  Perhaps the moderators could be persuaded to introduce a similar concession for this race.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 08:35:51 AM +0100 »

I had the option of the Lotus 48 at the Hockenheim race, and took it gratefully. It seemed to be just a notch down on pace requiring some serious thrashing to stay with the pack.

 The Cooper might have been an option, as I have found my lap times only slightly slower than the main pack. On a slipstreaming circuit and with some luck I could probably have collected some good points, although making any sort of pass would be pointless until the final corners on the final lap  Roll Eyes.

But the BT14 and the Fez would have required a totally different race plan to get any sort of result. I would have had to set them up for slipstreaming and squeeze everything out of them to ensure that I was always behind a faster car on the straights by absolutely nailing the corners ( the only place where I might gain some ground). The only hope would be to hang on until the final lap and hope to gain places from retirements ahead and a banzai attack off the last corners?

Monza 10k is a track where EVERY car is at the mercy of the slipstream, even the fastest cars will be unable to prevent a pass if the car behind is geared correctly. But the lack of power in the BT14 and Fez will mean that it is unlikely that they can even stay in the slipstream over such a long,flat out lap and they would certainly lose pace if they pulled out of the slipstream, making a pass impossible.

I would support the option of the Lotus 48 for the handicapped drivers in this race.

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 09:59:20 AM +0100 »

Bill is away for this one so the Mod is unavailable. I would add the Lotus 48 for Group II this race only and face his wrath when he comes back. In my defence I have to say I am just as quick in the BT14 and Fezza as in the others as they are just as good at driving through hedges, gravel, armco etc. which is where the majority of my lap is spent...  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2013, 12:33:57 PM +0100 »

We are still learning about the F2s.  Last season we made a special case for a similar fast track, Hockenhiem, and allowed the Lotus 48 to be used by the championship leader.  Perhaps the moderators could be persuaded to introduce a similar concession for this race.

I wish I saw that change on time... I used the Ferrari instead, lol...

@Dean - at least you can actually take the Cooper and it's not bad AT ALL. It's not a winning car of course, but then again the point of handicap is to make it difficult for the championship leader to win. It can still get a top 3 with proper slipstream and safe driving.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 09:50:29 PM +0100 »

Hi,

got a good praccy for a change, but once i realised I had qualified on race fuel with really tall gearing was then worried about not getting off the line well.

just quicky lowered 1st gear and hoped. it helped and got away OK. big jump to 2nd though which i hope didnt cause anyone behind to many probs

wanted to settle down but not really used to being a front runner So I was a little worried about all the cars around me all trying to win the race in the frist 2 or 3 corners  Smiley.  didnt get into too much trouble until having a spin trying hard not to run wide into other cars at the lesmos. thanks to all behind me who didnt run up my rear..

anyhow, got through that Ok until dropped out of another cars slipstream on the banking and took on a wobble that turned into a lurid slide and spin.

took my shift R but was suprised when I obviously re appeared on the banking.. I really couldnt seem to get under way and thought i was only going to spoil anothers race so took another shift R and an early bath.

hope all went OK for the ones left and i think it had the makings of a good race.

first time ever at this track. i think Im going to like it if we race it again.

heres to the next one.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2013, 09:57:46 PM +0100 »

I was running 6th when two cars ahead crashed at Para. I hit one of them and got flying and got a black screen. Game over Sad
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2013, 09:58:12 PM +0100 »

Just after the qualification I was discoed.

Hope you had some fun...
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 10:39:39 PM +0100 »

At the start, I had no hope to win with the Lola FVA, and it was even worst after the 3rd turns (Lesmo) of the 1st lap : I was rear ended  (by Fabio's car ?) and made an impressive flight in the air before hitting the Protos of the poor Ed/Shunji Sad
Ed's Protos engine exploded ...but my Lola was absolutly not affected (congrats Mr Eric Broadley to make such reliable cars !!)

in the meantime, Bernie had taken an advantage of 8 seconds ...but thanks to Fran Molteni' s slipstream we could easily re-join him.

During 6 or 7 laps we made a nice (and sometimes dangerous) race, Francesco-Bernie-me ...until Fran and Bernie had a side by side contact at the entry of the Parabolica.
So I could win this race, something looking not possible at the start, with my underpowered car !
...but it was my day.  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2013, 12:39:15 AM +0100 »

Sorry to Dean_0 for the bump into Lesmo2, and to everyone involved in the aftermath (Clive, Towlie, Phil, might be others but can't tell from my replay).  Sad

And sorry to Al for the bump in qualifying.
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2013, 01:12:54 AM +0100 »

and made an impressive flight in the air before hitting the Protos of the poor Ed/Shunji Sad
Ed's Protos engine exploded ...but my Lola was absolutly not affected (congrats Mr Eric Broadley to make such reliable cars !!)

yes, I had to make a shift-R in the bank but it is almost impossible especially as cars arrived, I found myself last.
already earlier I was hit by another car accident.

And I expected the replay to see who sent me in the Armco before the line at the end of 1st round ... I do not understand how he could think of to fall back on me at this point, he knew that I was there since he doubled me ! I wonder if he has his license on the road it must be very dangerous .

So, it was not a race with a lot of fun for me ...all day had already been catastrophic (apartment flooded, PC down .... etc) ;  Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2013, 11:18:45 AM +0100 »

And sorry to Al for the bump in qualifying.

No probs Dean. Me & Tom were attempting to line up a slipstream-share around the banking & were just about to start our Q lap when you hit me hence I was a tad exasperated at the time but I saw from the replay that it was completely accidental. It looked like you just touched the inside kerb on the banking & got launched sideways - I've done the same coming off that tricky final section onto the straight.

As regards my race, well if you'd offered me 2nd behind Hristo before the race I'd have taken it, but I admit to being a tad disappointed at not taking my chance to nick the win... With such a huge slipstream here I was happy to sit at the back of the leading group during the early laps but the big pile-up at Para on lap 4 allowed me & H a chance to break away alone. With 3/4 of the race still to go, I knew squabbling over the lead would only slow us both down & allow the following group to quickly catch our tow, so I tried to drive in tandem with H so we could both extend a gap over the others. I guessed H knew what I was playing at - I tried to stay behind during corner-entry where I knew H would be quicker but I would pass on the long straights where the Matra had an edge over the Brabham then hand back the lead to H before we reached the corners.

This tactic worked pretty well & by the closing laps we had eked out a sizeable lead over Doni in 3rd - just as well as H lost it out of Lesmo 2 & collected me in the process - by the time we got going again, our lead was cut down to just a few seconds. All that passing of Hristo on the straights had proved a useful rehearsal for the final lap & I'd worked out just where I needed to be on final run around the banking in order to try & steal the win but then as we entered Para for the final time, H buggered up my carefully-laid plan by running wide & going off into the gravel! I couldn't believe my luck so just floored it & made a dash for the line. In my mirrors it looked like H was miles behind, but sadly for me he'd managed to rejoin rather quicker than I'd imagined - and to make matters worse was now perfectly placed to use my slipstream to catapult his car ahead out of the final banked turn. With hindsight there were several other things I could've done, but it just looked like I was far enough ahead to make it. Bloody slipstream! Lost out by a tenth on the run to the line... congrats to Hristo on the win & to Doni on 3rd.   
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2013, 03:52:48 PM +0100 »

Big apology to Clive. I was overly concerned about breaking hard and/or taking too tight an inside line because of people behind possibly going for the same space. Poor decision on my part and I'm sorry I ruined your chance of a race win. Likewise TOulieF2, I thought I had cleared you when I turned in but I was wrong, my fault I think.

However Natan, I thought you had more than enough space on your side of the track on the run down to curve grande, but sorry for the contact anyway.

Grats to the podium.
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