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  • S2469X Montjuich Park: February 22, 2013
February 22, 2013, 09:38:02 PM +0000 - MontjuĆÆc Park - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Extra Trophy (69X)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 1 1:24.763
104.788mph
1 50:48.708
101.970mph
35 1:24.444
105.184mph
Firestone  
Flow
 
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.480
104.198mph
2 +28.619
101.022mph
35 1:25.567
103.804mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Matra MS10 F1 1969 8 +2.618
101.649mph
3 +1L
98.386mph
34 1:27.391
101.637mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 11 +3.738
100.362mph
4 +2.437
98.308mph
34 1:28.183
100.724mph
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 10 +3.497
100.637mph
5 +52.593
96.729mph
34 1:28.489
100.376mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +2.829
101.404mph
6 +59.695
96.509mph
34 1:27.864
101.090mph
Dunlop  
robert john
 
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 13 +7.885
95.870mph
7 +1:01.960
96.440mph
34 1:28.719
100.116mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 7 +2.333
101.982mph
8 +4L
97.759mph
31 1:27.962
100.977mph
Disco
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
McLaren M9A F1 1969 15 +9.491
94.237mph
9 (+1) +4:46.232
88.741mph
31 1:33.480
95.017mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Artiglietti
 
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.374
104.328mph
10 +7L
99.833mph
28 1:26.615
102.548mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 5 +1.843
102.558mph
11 (+3) +10L
96.306mph
25 1:27.477
101.537mph
Disco
Dunlop  
francesco
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 14 +8.134
95.613mph
12 +11L
91.752mph
24 1:33.639
94.856mph
Disco
Firestone  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 16 +9.802
93.927mph
13 +27L
87.679mph
8 1:34.454
94.037mph
Disco
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 12 +5.248
98.679mph
14 +28L
90.933mph
7 1:31.164
97.431mph
accident
Firestone  
Adam Cooper
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 17 +12.375
91.439mph
15 +1:01.666
83.410mph
7 1:35.150
93.349mph
Disco
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 6 +2.106
102.248mph
16 +33L
95.610mph
2 1:29.239
99.533mph
Disco
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 18 +18.191
86.273mph
17 +53.818
74.136mph
2 1:48.385
81.950mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +1.726
102.697mph
18 +35L
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0 ---
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Disco
Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 19 19 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Not much in the red zone except for the TOTAL CARNAGE at T1.

It all starts when Florian slows for T1 and isn\\\'t totally in control. Piero Mercaldo taps him from behind and Florain\\\'s car slews round. The rest is inevitable.

This is a difficult circuit with a fast run to T1 and then a tight, slow bend. Drivers MUST anticipate that drivers ahead may slow more than they need to. It is the responsibility of the driver behind to avoid running into the man ahead.

This was made much worse by midfield drivers hurrying to the scene and then some stopping and others not.

Fran and Bernie drive through the mess. Well, at least they had a clean race ... or not! See below...

Your moderator does get through and makes up several places (which he promptly gives up as people drive past him!


Server replay time: 0h01m00s

Florian slows for T1 and is tapped by Piero. Although this is a small touch, GPL models these incidents very badly and almost always resets the position of one of the cars very violently.

Although Piero is surprised by Florians lack of speed he must anticipate this. The consequences are out of all proportion to the potential benefits.

Best fit in the rules is this: The victim had partially lost control before contact and consequently his line was unusual. The shunter was in full control.


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Andreas sees his boy in trouble and slows, Nicky gently taps him from behind.

This is not quite in the same league as the previous incident but Nicky should have been more careful.

Rules have this: The victim slowed unexpectedly and the shunter was too close to take avoiding action.

This applies because of the yellow flag situation.


Server replay time: 0h01m03s

Natan also stops and is tapped by Robert John

Carbon copy of Nicky\'s incident.


Server replay time: 0h01m05s

Geoff also slows and is tagged by Adam who is warping badly. This has to be a racing incident due to Adams warp BUT Adam is careless with his rejoin and impedes Geoff but in mitigation he is unsighted and sound is no help.


Server replay time: 0h35m00s

Bernie takes the crest a little fast and lands slightly sideways. Fran is a little slower ahead than previously (~5mph) and Bernie does not have time to get the parachutes deployed. Bernie did try and avoid the collision but should, perhaps, have been a little more cautious over the blind crest. Bernie's speed at impact was higher than Robert John's who was some 80 yards behind.

The rules have this: "The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter had lost control on the approach to the braking zone and consequently braked later than intended."

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1969
1:24.763
104.788mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Lotus 49b (DFV)February 22, 2013, 09:38:02 PM +0000
S2469X
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1969
1:24.444
105.184mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Lotus 49b (DFV)February 22, 2013, 09:38:02 PM +0000
S2469X
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2013, 11:09:40 PM +0000 »

Only done a handful of laps here, as my old machines could never cope with this track.....consequently I never bothered with it. Was down to  hi 30's in practice last night and was getting the car sorted out gradually after about 15 laps. Why then, does the race server always drive like oil has been spilled at every corner on the racing line?? The car was undriveable and I slammed the bags after eight laps.....waste of effort really. Using tracks like this is surely gonna kill the interest in the mod, i know it's historically correct.....but the online version is, problematic. Nice flowing circuit to drive though, on your own.

Geoff If your cars OK in testing then the old oily rag syndrome is more than likely poor frame rate due to having all those memory eating cars sharing the track with you .

My problem was the wrong car and a bad setup though i didnt realise until too late just how poor , all my practise was done with the fuel brimmed , thought i would be faster in race trim but what a shock to see i was 10 seconds behind the front runners ,
In the race it was another shock to see a blue flag waved at the hairpin after what seemed to be only a hanful of laps when I was in traffic some of which had rejoined after making pit stop , so didnt realise until to late the flag was for me , sorry to all involved .
From there onwards I was getting blues waved at almost every corner it didn't help having little or no rear vision because of the ruddy great Mclaren rear wing  , prib was playing up so didnt know who was doing what to who and the pit board was 3/4 off the screen so no help there .

Apart from that everything was fine , I do like Montjuich at least its never boring and there always seems to be a better line and nmore speed to find somewhere , just wish there were some decent 69X set ups for dummies somewhere , post race I went back int otraining mode and piled on the wing , the car was alot faster but still not there .

Grats to all who got to taste champers and well done to the rest of the playboys and hairdressers
 
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2013, 12:17:15 AM +0000 »

The problem with 69x setups, Bernie, is that you can have so many wing angle combinations that one has to make different setups for each track. I generally separate my focus between slow and fast corners, with slow corners influenced more by my suspension setup and the fast ones by the wings (and partially the anti-roll bars and ride height). It's still quite a lot of driver input to make these go fast though, I was correcting the car all the time in each corner. It would be rather difficult to do if I didn't turn off my FF completely.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2013, 10:16:24 AM +0000 »

Grats to podium and finishers, it looks like there was some good racing last night.


Another race, another disco  Sad

I think I could compose a standard text to insert for every race at the moment.......

"Managed a reasonable grid slot.....got away well......avoided the usual T1 incident (by driving right around the outside).

Found myself in 4th spot as lap 1 unfolded and the tyres warmed up..... A mistake by the car in 3rd place car as we started lap 2...up to 3rd with a big gap back to the car behind...............1st and 2nd cars still in sight  and I knew I could go faster, looking good.........Disco!!!!!!"

Watch out for another thrilling instalment after the next race.................


 
 
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2013, 12:05:03 PM +0000 »

In the results its has me as Disco even though I did the full race distance  Huh 
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2013, 12:12:23 PM +0000 »

The problem with 69x setups, Bernie, is that you can have so many wing angle combinations that one has to make different setups for each track. I generally separate my focus between slow and fast corners, with slow corners influenced more by my suspension setup and the fast ones by the wings (and partially the anti-roll bars and ride height). It's still quite a lot of driver input to make these go fast though, I was correcting the car all the time in each corner. It would be rather difficult to do if I didn't turn off my FF completely.

Yea but 10 seconds Huh  maybe it was just the wrong choice of car , either that or the brakes were jammed on  Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2013, 02:23:33 PM +0000 »

<SIGH> I'll take a look Bernie. Almost certainly the server lost track of you. How many times were you lapped? Anyone else?
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2013, 08:17:57 PM +0000 »

Congrats Hristo  Great lap as well

Grats to Florian and Dean for the podium

Thanks to Paul for helping me out on short notice

Thought I had a setup for Montjuich but seems this was my first 69X laps there. The default setup was ok after changing a few settings to "my" values. Can't see all the cars from my replay but I know for sure I bumped Natan at T1 and messed him up. Sorry.
I received a little bump myself around lap four but managed to keep going. I tried my best to let faster cars thru and can say that Montjuich is difficult in that respect. Not very happy with my pace but it was a fun race. Thanks for sharing the road

Peace

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2013, 11:35:03 AM +0000 »

Agreed H, I do enjoy the track, it's aestheticly pleasing...and never a dull moment!
No frame drops here Bernie, solid 36-37fps, everything up full noise, and off the startline clean as a whistle FPS wise. Must have rained overnight, cos the Saturday setup failed to work on Sunday. By the way Bernie, congrats on the Heavy class win mate, with a handy second to Fran. Good effort lads.
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2013, 12:43:40 PM +0000 »

Great Scott  Shocked

I hadn't even looked at those results  Roll Eyes forgot all about heavy and light brigade , anyway its confessional time so the results may change as I owe apologies to both Francesco for a rear ender and Hristo when I turned in on him , the Hristo incent had a knock on effect with following drivers unable to avoid my wreckage but appologies out to all involved. 

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2013, 03:05:18 PM +0000 »

Great Scott  Shocked

I hadn't even looked at those results  Roll Eyes forgot all about heavy and light brigade , anyway its confessional time so the results may change as I owe apologies to both Francesco for a rear ender and Hristo when I turned in on him , the Hristo incent had a knock on effect with following drivers unable to avoid my wreckage but appologies out to all involved. 

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Ah, so it was you at T1? I couldn't do anything to avoid contact, as I was already on the most inside part of the track. I thought you have seen me on the s/f straight before that, but with these cars having obscure mirrors and you fighting another car, it was probably not the case.  Tongue
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2013, 04:19:43 PM +0000 »

The truth is I had a quick glimpse of a blue flag but I couldnt believe I was being lapped (Not so early in the race , Lap 9 I think ) I thought the cars behind were all on the same lap but perhaps one of them was a lap down after having made a pit stop due to the Lap 1 fracca  Roll Eyes I only knew for sure after seeing the replay . Luckily you scraped through somehow without damage otherwise I would have received the hate mail by now  nono
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2013, 01:52:14 PM +0100 »

Moderation (finally) published. Apologies for the severe delay.
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