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  • S2667F2 Hockenheim: January 19, 2014
January 19, 2014, 09:37:21 PM +0000 - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 2 +0.364
128.271mph
1 40:24.499
125.769mph
20 1:58.940
128.185mph
Dunlop  
Roberto Teso
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:58.496
128.665mph
2 +0.163
125.761mph
20 1:58.776
128.362mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 5 +1.064
127.520mph
3 +3.947
125.565mph
20 1:58.987
128.135mph
Dunlop  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 13 4 +24.164
124.528mph
20 2:00.153
126.891mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 8 +3.092
125.393mph
5 +26.454
124.412mph
20 2:00.701
126.315mph
Dunlop  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 4 +0.886
127.711mph
6 (+1) +29.420
124.261mph
20 1:58.319
128.858mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 10 +3.321
125.158mph
7 +40.649
123.695mph
20 2:00.302
126.734mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 7 +1.891
126.644mph
8 +44.528
123.501mph
20 1:59.653
127.421mph
Dunlop  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 9 +3.262
125.218mph
9 +1:05.506
122.460mph
20 1:59.848
127.214mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 11 +4.380
124.079mph
10 +1:30.920
121.223mph
20 2:03.034
123.920mph
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Matra MS7 GPL F2 3 +0.603
128.014mph
11 +9L
125.585mph
11 1:57.542
129.710mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +1.076
127.508mph
12 +12L
124.920mph
8 1:59.698
127.373mph
Disco
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 12 13 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0

Pool B Race
No incidents in the red zone.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h26m22s

Piero chasing Robert F on the straight after the Ostkurve. Piero gets the draft, Robert holds his line but Piero cuts back in far too early. Piero suffers the worse requiring a Reset - which unfortunately spawns in front of Dave Curtis. Robert is able to continue but loses 1 place.
Penalty for Piero for improper overtake.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:58.496
128.681mph
Roberto Teso
Qualifying
Matra MS7January 19, 2014, 09:37:21 PM +0000
S2667F2
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:57.542
129.725mph
Raoni Frizzo
Race
Matra MS7January 19, 2014, 09:37:21 PM +0000
S2667F2
January 19, 2014, 09:38:29 PM +0000 - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:59.198
127.963mph
1 40:38.800
125.085mph
20 1:59.582
127.552mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 3 +0.471
127.459mph
2 +0.114
125.080mph
20 1:58.454
128.767mph
Dunlop  
NewBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +1.231
126.655mph
3 +1.240
125.022mph
20 1:59.635
127.495mph
Firestone  
natan5
 NVRacing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 7 +1.525
126.346mph
4 +27.282
123.702mph
20 2:00.605
126.470mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 8 +1.562
126.308mph
5 +28.188
123.656mph
20 1:59.935
127.177mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 4 +1.050
126.846mph
6 +28.740
123.629mph
20 1:59.673
127.455mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 10 +3.656
124.155mph
7 +58.792
122.141mph
20 2:00.894
126.168mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 11 +5.940
121.889mph
8 +1L
118.122mph
19 2:03.025
123.982mph
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.432
127.501mph
9 +13L
119.704mph
7 2:01.381
125.662mph
Disco
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 9 +1.997
125.854mph
10 +16L
120.628mph
4 2:01.495
125.544mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +1.229
126.657mph
11 +20L
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Disco
Firestone  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 12 12 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h01m38s

Red zone was almost clear.
At 1m 52 Cookie makes a pass on Arf. Cookie uses the very edge of the track but Arf's line into Ostkurve takes him toward the outside where there is side-by-side contact. Cookie gets the worst of it.


Server replay time: 0h01m52s

On the straight after Ostkurve Arf is coming from the outside & Natan overtaking from the inside & they come together. Neither driver individually makes a mistake but the accident takes leaves the following cars little chance to avoid the mayhem.
Both incidents could be spared by drivers being a little more patient & observant. If you can hear cars around you use the "look left" or "look right" buttons before moving across the track.
A caution is awarded on this occasion because of the interference with other drivers.


Server replay time: 0h40m12s

On the last lap Newblood, Marco & Dean are fighting for the lead & close up to lap Badblood at Ostkurve. Badblood keeps to the side of the track & backs off to allow the following cars to pass. When being approached by a train of cars it is best to keep you car in a predictable place. Daen is in third place, in hot purtsuit & his line takes him close enough to Badblood for GPL crashboxes to determine contact. Dean survives intact but Paul is span across the track. Neither driver did anything particularly wrong.

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« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2014, 11:24:03 PM +0000 »

 ???WHY there are 2 pilots and team rank Huh
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« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2014, 11:32:37 PM +0000 »

Two separate championships Marco - Lights stay Light and Heavies stay Heavy and never the twain shall meet!

24 drivers can't go on one grid Sad

So we stay separate... unless we have a shootout at the end of the season!

Race was pretty much a disaster. Cookie was slow leaving the Ostkurve and I was going around 20km/h faster but as I passed him I don't think he saw me and although I tried the grass we warped together and off. After starting again got together with Billy and was looking forward to a draft or two when Doni decided to inspect my engine from behind. Last lap Dean bumped me off at the same place as he whizzed through and I had tried to leave room too! Only bright spot was Mini making the podium. :proud:
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« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2014, 11:39:03 PM +0000 »

Hehe, step aside old man.  The baton has been passed; your work is done Wink

Miniblood is dead, long live Blood/Newblood ?!
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« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2014, 11:51:08 PM +0000 »

Yes, profuse apologies for that 'nudge', Paul.  I slowed way early but not near enough.  And I'd already fallen on my sword avoiding you on Lap01!  LOL!  Something about a Lotus 48 at this track?  oooOOOooo!

I ran a tall 1st gear and it killed me on the start.  Never really recovered.  The gear was excellent in the stadium for a quick lap but a poisoned pill.  I'll not make that mistake again.  (Famous last words...)

Got involved in the massive Lap01 jamup but cruised back to ultimately dice with Natan and Clive.  Good fun but I wasn't about to take any risks on that last lap.  Settled for P6 and lucky to have it.
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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2014, 12:00:35 AM +0000 »

Wasn't a problem mate but I was very cautious on cold tyres/full tanks...
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« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2014, 01:01:21 AM +0000 »

...Last lap Dean bumped me off at the same place as he whizzed through and I had tried to leave room too!...

Why are you anywhere near the racing line when you're a full minute behind your nearest competitor on the final lap??

You should have backed off (only 15-20 mph or so would have been plenty) on the straight leading to Estkurv instead of leaving it until we're entering a line-critical corner at full blast. A closing speed of almost 60mph left me NO time to react. I went where I was committed to going.

Btw: there was no contact on my replay, and your car jumped to the RIGHT. It must have been the vortex.
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« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2014, 08:15:44 AM +0000 »

ok about pilots rank maybe it' s right , but about team rank it's very crazy solution.Blue mose racing are 4 pilots in  light, padova corse 1 pilot, NV racing 1 pilot. then it's easy to know which team will win.
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« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2014, 11:38:42 AM +0000 »

Only the first two score Marco. Generally I think it will be Clive and myself as I suspect Doni and Mini may not make all the races and given my woeful form in F2 I need something to keep me going. It was very lonely last night Sad
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« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2014, 11:46:29 AM +0000 »

...Last lap Dean bumped me off at the same place as he whizzed through and I had tried to leave room too!...

Why are you anywhere near the racing line when you're a full minute behind your nearest competitor on the final lap??

You should have backed off (only 15-20 mph or so would have been plenty) on the straight leading to Estkurv instead of leaving it until we're entering a line-critical corner at full blast. A closing speed of almost 60mph left me NO time to react. I went where I was committed to going.

Btw: there was no contact on my replay, and your car jumped to the RIGHT. It must have been the vortex.

I had scrubbed off speed (in fact 40 mph so that you wouldn't meet me on the apex) and from my POV I wasn't anywhere near the racing line which was why I was surprised when we touched. I was acutely aware of the position and if I had wanted to interfere I would have made sure I took Marco and you out.... there was family interest and it was VERY tempting... Judging where you were going to catch me was pretty tricky but I kept wide and slowed gradually to make my intentions clear.

You need to take another look at the replay and if you look at the chase view or from my in-car view you will realise I wasn't anywhere near the racing line (if you take the groove as ideal), problem is, neither were you! You deliberately took a wider line which may well give you the fastest exit which is important when racing for position but you can't just ignore other cars on track. Joseph and Marco had no issues and when they passed me I WAS on the racing line. If you think I baulked you, report it. I would be interested to see your replay because on mine and the server replay my car jumps to the right AFTER you hit me. I didn't think it was great on your part and you clearly think the same of mine. All I can say is that I was thinking hard about the three of you and where I needed to be and you, seemingly, paid no regard to me whatsoever which is disappointing.

One thing to bear in mind is that I am slower for a reason - I can't control the car as well and you may well be able to corner way off line, I can't and although I am way behind the next guy that is not germane. I am still racing! although it might not be recognisable  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2014, 04:01:07 PM +0000 »

Fact - there were 2x completely different races.
Further more,  it's F2  on a circuit with some fairly serious draftability,  so that probably also does funny things to results.

But a quick glance seems to show the entire Heavy qually times were quicker than the Lights;  also that the total race time for completed race distance was less.

As I stated;  probably not directly comparable  [just mentioned for fun!]    but slightly interesting?  Smiley



As for the race,  too much contact  Sad
And was either lonely [come back!] or busy.   Seemingly endless stream of cars reeling me in/overtaking me.
Should have taken the Lola - I couldn't even beat my best time from the last Heavy race here.


My lawyer says I should probably look at replays before I comment further...

But thanks all;  was still mostly enjoyable.


Cheers,
Dave.

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« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2014, 06:56:48 PM +0000 »

...I had scrubbed off speed (in fact 40 mph so that you wouldn't meet me on the apex) and from my POV I wasn't anywhere near the racing line...

At the moment of "contact" you weren't. 1 second previously you were. While JW and MM were passing you, you were right on it.

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...if I had wanted to interfere I would have made sure I took Marco and you out.... there was family interest and it was VERY tempting..

The fact you raise that possibility (even jokingly) disturbs me, TBH.

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...You need to take another look at the replay and if you look at the chase view or from my in-car view you will realise I wasn't anywhere near the racing line (if you take the groove as ideal),...

You were on the groove/racing line all the way in the braking zone, and only maintained your outside line while slowing, frankly, a dangerous amount. 60mph closing speeds are completely unnecessary and unsafe.

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...problem is, neither were you! You deliberately took a wider line which may well give you the fastest exit which is important when racing for position...

Like when you're in the lead draft pack on the final lap of a league race? Yeah, it's important, and it's really nice not to have to worry about some guy who's getting lapped and a is a full minute behind his nearest competitor not wanting to be, maybe, a minute and FIVE SECONDS behind his nearest competitor at the finish line, because that makes so much difference to everything.

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...but you can't just ignore other cars on track. Joseph and Marco had no issues and when they passed me I WAS on the racing line...

Didn't you claim twice above that you weren't on the racing line?

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... If you think I baulked you, report it...

I wasn't going to, as it didn't appreciably affect the outcome (I'd kind of expected an apology from you for interfering with the lead battle, but it looks like that's not happening). As you think I bear some responsibility for this, it'll be reported.

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...I was thinking hard about the three of you and where I needed to be...

And I'm just telling you that you made some bad choices.

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...and you, seemingly, paid no regard to me whatsoever which is disappointing...

I paid you as much respect as someone who is a full minute behind their nearest competitor and is going a lap down is due from someone who's in the lead draft pack on the final lap of a league race.

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...One thing to bear in mind is that I am slower for a reason - I can't control the car as well...

Didn't there used to be a place for racers who aren't as familiar with the F2 mod to, you know, try and come to grips with it? I seem to remember that...  Roll Eyes

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...although I am way behind the next guy that is not germane. I am still racing!...

At that point in your race, the track is just the short way back to the garage. It's over. Get out of the way of the people who ARE still racing. Thank you.
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« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2014, 07:43:22 PM +0000 »

Dean, calm down!

I understand your displeasedness with the situation in F2 and I am with you!

But the incident with Paul is IMHO not his fault at all, maybe not the perfect line, but we say "keep your line" when lapped, to be predictable!

I looked at the situation and can't understand your reaction, seeing the slower car in front you had all the time to choose another line.
Paul had 3 fast cars coming from behind and tried to stay out of the way, of course at this speed there will be 3 different passing points...

Our rules say:
"The overtaking driver has a responsibility to ensure he makes a clean pass."
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« Reply #72 on: January 20, 2014, 10:10:35 PM +0000 »

Dean, calm down!...

I'm not the one who said anything. I wasn't going to report this. But when someone says I took them out, and I view the situation quite differently, I'm going to say something.

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Completely unrelated, let's keep it that way.

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...But the incident with Paul is IMHO not his fault at all, maybe not the perfect line, but we say "keep your line" when lapped, to be predictable!...

"Being predictable" does not include slowing 60mph from race speed while on the racing line.

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...I looked at the situation and can't understand your reaction..

What reaction? When I realized how much he was slowing, I had no time left to react to anything. I took the line that I was committed to.

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...Paul had 3 fast cars coming from behind and tried to stay out of the way...

He was on the racing line all the way into that corner. He says so himself in the above post! That's not "out of the way".

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On my replay, there is no contact. Therefore, clean pass from what I can see.

His car jumps RIGHT even though the "contact" occurred on that side. Isn't that enough of a WTH? to give someone pause before accusing another racer of taking them out?
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« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2014, 10:14:46 PM +0000 »

Get out of the way of the people who ARE still racing. Thank you.

I did, which is rather the point.
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« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2014, 10:44:32 PM +0000 »

In reply to Dave Curtis, Newblood actually sounds pretty appealing! I think that shall be my new title  Grin
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