UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Hockenheim - Jan 19

[Doni Yourth]

Some people have entirely too much time on their hands.

[DLogan]

Some people have entirely too much time on their hands.

As to make posts like that? Apparently so.

[garethhall]

I have just  read all of this  

give 50% points on each grid then normal points and merge champ standings when it goes to one grid. Its all relative.

Do you know what I like about ukgpl.

I can race 80 odd cars over 7ish mods on 500+ tracks and it cost me next to nothing. I appreciate the time the mods give, for nothing, to organise races/championships, just to get a volley when its not all perfect.

Rfactor is available for those who would prefer to pay for their racing.

Put it into perspective people and chill.  

[BadBlood]

The overhead view may be instructive.

Point of contact on Dean's client replay


Point of contact on Server replay


Client replay two frames on


It is fairly clear that it is the collision box that takes hold here. My car jumping to the right is further on and is a result of the overlapped collision boxes.

I didn't (and don't) have a problem with being bumped off - it happens in online racing but a little more mutual respect would be appreciated. I can't race with you but I feel that I have the right to be on the racetrack with you. I may not be fast, it does not mean that I am not serious. That is what I would like you to respect. Doesn't feel like you do right now. Hope I am wrong in this, at least.

[DLogan]

The overhead view may be instructive.

Point of contact on Dean's client replay

I'm not seeing contact there.

Point of contact on Server replay

Nor there.

...It is fairly clear that it is the collision box that takes hold here...

What does that even mean?

...I didn't (and don't) have a problem with being bumped off...

My replay shows no contact between our cars. The server replay shows no contact between our cars. Your car does something quite strange AFTER I've passed you, when our cars are further apart than at the supposed "contact" point you identify above. How am I responsible for that?

...it happens in online racing but a little more mutual respect would be appreciated...

Telling someone what they did wrong (and you did, IMO, you and your car had no business being in that section of track at all, and sure as heck not at 60mph off the pace) in the hopes that it will help them to improve is respect.

As far as the on-track respect goes, "I paid you as much respect as someone who is a full minute behind their nearest competitor and is going a lap down is due from someone who's in the lead draft pack on the final lap of a league race.", which, if you're a "serious" racer, you have to agree is little to none, a "sorry coming thru gaaaaaannnngggwaaaaayyyy" and I will not apologize for it.

[BadBlood]

If you don't know what the collision box is then you had no business being on track at all. The cars do not have to graphically 'touch' to have a collision. The collision box is the invisible outline which is slightly bigger than the graphical representation of the car which GPL uses to model collisions. You need to leave more space.

Where do you suggest that I should have been. Nobody else had an issue and they passed me when I WAS on the line. It is just that they do not believe they have a God given right to 100% of the track. Some others might learn from this but you are too arrogant to listen and frankly, you are not worth the effort.

[dave curtis]

In reply to Dave Curtis, Newblood actually sounds pretty appealing! I think that shall be my new title  

Of course,  you'll probably still/always (affectionately)  be Mini to Blood senior...

(And make the tea of course)

[Doni Yourth]

Dean...  Dean...  Dean...

I throw out the bait and you snap it up.  Read you like a book. 

[BadBlood]

(And make the tea of course)

And that tea was VERY nice!

[Turkey Machine]

Just my tuppence, but that looks like warp contact exacerbated the potential contact between the cars. Dean is correct in that it looks like there is no contact according to the pictures, however these cars don't need to be touching pixel-to-pixel in order to show contact in the game. There have been many instances in my history with UKGPL of contact where there appeared to be no contact, this is mainly attributed to warp however sometimes collision boxes do cause the contact and make you go "WTF was that?" in response.

Quick apology while I remember - to the dude who's race I nearly ruined at T1 in a perilously ill-timed rejoin I apologise. I wanted to boot the throttle to kick the back-end round and the damn thing never kicked!

Re: lapping slower cars, IMHO every race has to be taken individually and on its own merits and pitfalls. At Zandvoort 66 race just gone I was careful to try and stay consistent in my lines when being lapped (save for the last lap penultimate corner screw-up), and I add that to experience when racing other cars and being a bit more predictable to not weave. Hockenheim is a track conducive to slipstreaming and overtaking, and when racing other drivers that are quite evenly matched the action can be a bit intense, but if all are sensible it can be very fair. Iestyn and I had a 7 lap battle between us until I cocked it up into a corner and fell way back.

As an aside, Paul I'm sure now knows that with a significant speed differential between the two cars that if he's in that position again to stay on one side of the track if at all possible. That can only be chalked up to experience.

See you on track.

[DLogan]

If you don't know what the collision box is then you had no business being on track at all...

I know what the collision box is. What I was looking for was a logical explanation of how it "takes hold" AFTER the cars have passed and in the complete OPPOSITE direction than one (with a Mechanical Engineering degree) would expect.

...Where do you suggest that I should have been...

Already covered in my first post on this subject (thanks for paying attention):

...You should have backed off (only 15-20 mph or so would have been plenty) on the straight leading to Estkurv instead of leaving it until we're entering a line-critical corner at full blast...

...Some others might learn from this...

Oh, they are, just not the lessons you think they're learning.

...but you are too arrogant to listen and frankly, you are not worth the effort.

And you were the one talking about respect?

Dean...  Dean...  Dean...

I throw out the bait and you snap it up.  Read you like a book. 

And I hope you feel as clever and helpful as you've been here. 

[BadBlood]

Dean,

We are never going to agree. I am just going to move on but two points.

I know what the collision box is. What I was looking for was a logical explanation of how it "takes hold" AFTER the cars have passed and in the complete OPPOSITE direction than one (with a Mechanical Engineering degree) would expect.

The crash boxes in GPL are notoriously badly modelled and the resulting crashes are often not realistic. You can see this type of collision on many replays.

...but you are too arrogant to listen and frankly, you are not worth the effort.

You are quite right, I should not have posted that. For that, you have my apology.

[Marco Mercaldo]

 I think that the dubbed pilots must give way

[Tom van Ostade]

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The crash boxes in GPL are notoriously badly modelled and the resulting crashes are often not realistic. You can see this type of collision on many replays.

...

My bad! Hope to address something about that in the F2 mod update. I'll serve my punishment and be a Dino driver untill the issue is sorted .

[Robert Fleurke]

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The crash boxes in GPL are notoriously badly modelled and the resulting crashes are often not realistic. You can see this type of collision on many replays.

...

My bad! Hope to address something about that in the F2 mod update. I'll serve my punishment and be a Dino driver untill the issue is sorted .

The F2 modders did a great job. Hopefully you will look also at the draft-effect, like 69X is now compared to the original 69...but that's just my opinion/wish...