UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy - Silverstone - Mar 29

[Turkey Machine]

Still can't get any decent temperature into the tyres, they're hovering anywhere between 180 and 190f, so stay blue all the time. Patch temps sometimes go green but rarely, as a consequence I can't really push it enough.

Can I drop down to Heavies? *pitiful*

So after several mistakes, dropping me back down to 11th, a lapse of concentration put me over at Club, at which point I quit. Struggling to enjoy it but want to cure the tyre problem so I can actually push the cars somewhat. Is there a particular style to driving these cars? I can't throw them into the corners like the 67s and struggle with braking / power sliding too.

Oh, who was it whose engine/clutch did a Rubens at the start? Not something I could easily avoid...

[Samb]

That race was hectic. Got caught up with the shenanigans of the start and flipped my car. A shift r and stop & go later I was right at the back of the field. Slowly managed to carve my way up through the pack. Had a great battle with Bob that lasted for a few laps only for me to clout him off the circuit at Copse  . Sorry about that Bob, I need to view the server replay as I thought I had more than 50% overlap, but at least you managed to get going again.

Ended up finished 7th at the end of it all, which isn't such a bad effort after being last at the end of the first lap. Congrats to all finishers  

[GregT]

Still can't get any decent temperature into the tyres, they're hovering anywhere between 180 and 190f, so stay blue all the time. Patch temps sometimes go green but rarely, as a consequence I can't really push it enough.

I hit 201F on the LF tire a few times in the race. My tires in the 69X spend over 90% of the time in the deep blue color.

From srmz:

Each mod has different optimum tyre pressures and temperatures. From what Lee has told me they are:

'67--261 F, 24 psi ft, 26 rear
'65--187 F, 24, 26
'69--261 F, 24, 26
'Sports Cars--261 F, 32, 32. P910--261 F, 28, 28

The '66 mod tires all use an optimum pressure of 26 psi and 207 degrees F.

The '69 and '69 Extra tires use the same optimum pressure and temps.

I'll have to check on the new F2 mod but I seem to remember it was the same as the 66 mod.

[Iestyn Davies]

Mine Jethro . Engine blew on the flag drop! In pole position as well... cue start melee :'(! These cars... they're basically drifting machines. The grip goes on forever... See Ronnie Peterson drifting the Lotus 72 in the 1973 British GP. I think that style works best with 69x/69. Usually 24-26 psi is perfect, maybe 26 for the mods, more 24 in the originals, GT a bit more with it's wide slip angle to get around the brake bug, maybe more for Can-Am as well.

So, after that mishap, my race was a recovery drive... shift-r left me mounting a car, did the stop go, got caught out behind Dave R and tagged the wall avoiding... cue shopping trolley handling from the right front! The car was basically then a 67 Eagle/Lotus with wings.. understeer, before snap oversteer.. this caught me out once when battling Piero. We had a long duel, eventually I got away when I was in front and had a moment on the grass/recovered on track and Piero had to avoid. But for that and the early spin.. I might have been hounding Dean pretty hard at the flag 

[Doni Yourth]

NP, Ray.  I should have let you by earlier.  I was drivin' sick tonight and all I wanted to do was get to 1/2 distance.  In that, at least, I succeeded.

[bagrupp]

Unfortunately i didn't find time to race.

Hope you had a nice evening.

[bernie]

One word describes my race


PATHETIC 

I was being lapped from around lap 7ish . Even before the inevitable lappery began it was like dodging bullets with cars recovering from the lap1 melee passing me at warp speeds .

Blew the mill attempting to increase my pace , then soon after my S&G chucked it into the earth bank . so early bath time 

Can't get the hang of these cars , no idea whatsoever how to set them up and no reference set ups available to crib off .

It wasn't just my tyres that were Blue 

[Rainier]

...your start also was pathetic   


Not a good race for me : contact with Bernie at the start, contact with Phil on lap 4, engine trouble later so shift-R + S'n'G.

[dave curtis]

Some words from the tail-end.

Was surprised to find that apparently I've not been to Silverstone in a 69x before.  I was checking just before qually to see what my previous best time/chassis was;  not data available.  Not a real problem as the corners are in the same place as for 65/67;  just d/l a setup & that mostly seemed to do ok for me.
 
Apologies to Axel & Sam during the qually session though;   I was tying to keep it fairly tidy; but as you are all too aware; ran wide onto the grass & resulting spin across the track. Did not intend to do that.


For the race; being at the back  just meant that by the time I got to the wall of cars at the start-line;  it was even bigger!
Still, looks as though I was able to snow-plough a clear route through for Phil...

Wasn't hampered as much as others though,  but as mentioned elsewhere;  being a bit out of position meant faster cars/drivers coming past at warp speeds to regain rightful positions.

Seemed to spend most of the event following Phil; spinning off & waiting for a mini-stream of orange cars to pass by;  creeping up to Phil;  trying to allow faster cars to lap; creeping up to Phil; another spin; more orange cars;  more lapping cars;  up to Phil again.

Although I could get back up to Mr T & just about hang on,  was not then faster/able to do anything about it.  I thought he'd never make a worthwhile mistake;  but eventually there it was.  Unlucky Phil,  although thank you

There was a rather fun moment when we both caught Bernie although it all worked out a bit closer than expected.


I consider it a privilege to have been on the same track at the more accomplished drivers.  I tried to keep out of the way at key moments.

Cheers all, see you next time out.
Dave.

[bernie]

...your start also was pathetic   

Maybe so but it was a lot better than some other drivers including you 

[Rainier]

...your start also was pathetic   

Maybe so but it was a lot better than some other drivers including you 

From my point of view (but maybe it is biased ), my start was perfect 
I started from the end of the grid with only one car behind (...yours), I saw several cars in the middle of the road, I slowed down and went on the grass to avoid broken cars ...until I had a contact with a slaloming cars coming from behind  (was it you ? I cannot believe it      )

Moderator will decide.

[bernie]

You made a slow start ,  My own start was very slow yet I came from behind and passed you ,  I had already overtaken and was in front of you until we arrived on the scene , unfortunately you were up the inside of me we touched and you went off .

Sorry for the contact , ive seen a lot worse and had worse happen to me many times , nothing more to say on the subject , let mods decide

[Baab]

Interesting info on tyre temps....no really.  My tyres are almost always dark blue too and only when really sideways did my left rear go light blue, so you're not alone Jethro.  I watched for a bit after crashing and saw some pretty drifty but obviously fast styles, so I think I need to try a few things. 
I qualified well but raced poor.  Iestyn's start line issue gave me summat to think about but luckily I managed to avoid and got going alongside Ray.  We seemed to have similar pace at the start but I couldn't pass and after a few laps his engine went, another interesting moment but no bloodshed.  A few laps later I binned it and ripped a wheel off.  Had to wait to SH+R then S&G before starting again pretty much last.  I passed a few cars fairly easily and another obligingly spun and I got by.  However, this turned out to be Sam and he caught back up and re-passed me.  We had a battle for a few laps neither being able to get away (think I was running more wing) until we collided at T1.  I probably should've given you room but see that there was little overlap at turn-in (on my rpy at least).  No worries though, it was an otherwise clean fight.

In the end I spun and rolled it, curtains.

Cracking Moto GP mind.

Cheers,

Bob.

[JonnyO]

  Congrats podiun!!!

  My race was 70m......  :'(

[GregT]

Congrats Tim, Andreas, and Dean! Looks like it was very good race for the win.

My apologies Arf for the bump at the start. I almost got the car stopped. I thought I was rear ended forcing such a violent collision but it appears I wasn't. In my replay, you drive away a little later without front wheels, the engine on fire, and trailing smoke. What chaos!

I didn't have much of a car for racing much with anybody. Arf and I stayed a few seconds apart most of the race. I pushed as hard as I could for long periods trying to get into Arf's slipstream but never could really do it.

I hope I didn't have any effect on the top 2 near the end of the race. I had passed a stationary Arf at Copse. I thought he had spun. I didn't realize he had to engine trouble and had to do a stop and go. I thought he was not far behind me when the leaders approached to lap me. I tried to wait as long as possible before I let the leaders by me.

Jethro, I've got some decent times on some tracks in the 69Xs and my tire temps rarely reach 200F. I've been setting the car to have fairly even temps across the tire and 24 psi after a few to several laps. The only time I ever know what my temps are while driving is when they occasionally go light blue. Then I can actually read the numbers while driving.

Of my four favorite mods (67, 71CA, 67GT, and 69X), the 69X took the longest time for me to be able to get the car setup decent. I still feel I've got a lot to learn with this mod compared to the others. You may be the same Jethro. It's just going to take time and practice.

All the mods but the GTs now, I try to get uniform temps across the tire or maybe a little hotter in the middle. I haven't really tested much of the info I posted earlier. On the 67s I don't follow those guidelines. I like 24 or 25 psi on the rear tires. I feel I'm losing grip at 26 psi. Axel enlightened me to the 32psi or 28psi for the Porsche in the GT mod. I had been running even temps which resulted in about 26-27 psi. Some tracks I was getting incredibly lousy tire performance. I dropped 2 seconds off my Hockenheim time once I started using the correct pressure. I drove the GT mod for more than 3 years with the wrong tire pressure.

Take care guys.