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November 01, 2015, 09:39:08 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Works Trophy (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:18.860
116.182mph
1 49:23.271
114.400mph
37 1:19.281
115.565mph
Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Honda RA300 F1 1967 5 +1.724
113.696mph
2 +51.245
112.455mph
37 1:20.517
113.791mph
Firestone  
Artiglietti
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.341
115.682mph
3 +51.682
112.439mph
37 1:19.725
114.921mph
Goodyear  
Gismo
 TEAM-GTLDK
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +2.093
113.178mph
4 +1:15.337
111.564mph
37 1:21.059
113.030mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +1.652
113.798mph
5 +1:16.262
111.530mph
37 1:20.343
114.037mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 7 +1.846
113.525mph
6 +1L
111.115mph
36 1:21.469
112.461mph
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +2.242
112.970mph
7 +3.705
110.976mph
36 1:21.248
112.767mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 13 +2.905
112.054mph
8 +9.115
110.775mph
36 1:21.121
112.944mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 14 +3.134
111.741mph
9 +28.679
110.051mph
36 1:21.835
111.958mph
Firestone  
GregT
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 12 +2.831
112.156mph
10 +40.514
109.619mph
36 1:21.701
112.142mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +1.584
113.894mph
11 +1:07.527
108.643mph
36 1:20.225
114.205mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.757
113.650mph
12 +8L
108.860mph
29 1:20.849
113.324mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 11 +2.549
112.544mph
13 +21L
105.344mph
16 1:21.287
112.713mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 +3.339
111.463mph
14 +29L
104.417mph
8 1:22.932
110.477mph
Disco
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 16 +3.509
111.233mph
15 +33L
105.992mph
4 1:22.427
111.154mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 8 +1.923
113.416mph
16 +35L
104.104mph
2 1:23.516
109.705mph
Disco
Firestone  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 17 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
9 UKGPL
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 17 18 ---
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Firestone  

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Robert Fleurke wins the race in a Ferrari, leading from start to finish. Pelle Buchner finishes second in a Honda, holding of a hard charging Attilio Artiglietti in a Brabham.

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« on: October 26, 2015, 10:00:41 PM +0000 »

Season 29 Works Trophy - Round 03 - Kyalami

For the third round of the season we go to a familiar track. Kyalami Racing Circuit (from Kyalami, My home in Zulu) is a motor racing circuit located in Midrand, Gauteng province, South Africa. The circuit has been used for Grand Prix and Formula One races and has hosted the South African Grand Prix many times. Among the Formula One races held at the track the 1977 South African Grand Prix stands out, as it is principally remembered for the fatal accident that claimed the lives of race marshal Frederick Jansen van Vuuren and driver Tom Pryce. In recent years, the area surrounding the circuit has developed into a residential and commercial suburb of Johannesburg.

IMPORTANT: it is policy of UKGPL to have the original pitstraight armco installed at this original track!


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Race date = Sunday 01-11-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 37 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 09:39:27 PM +0000 »

YEAH Kyalami...not my favorite, but a Org GPL track  Cool

One thing I have never quite understood used in many clubs: Tokens / Coins  Shocked (yes, I have gone to school before GPL, 2+2=1998)

I tried again & if I understand it correctly, you can run a full season in only 2 cars:

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Eagle/Honda
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*This requires that you are always running at least one lap & will receive 10 starting coins  Cheesy
...& from Brabham & down...you can run the same car all season.

Did I understand...a bit  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 11:14:36 PM +0000 »

It is free to use the tokens as you wish. Within the current tokens system, the Brabham is the most used car. However we encourage drivers to use different cars for diverse grids.

Personally my choices are more track related, as done often by many other drivers as well. Often newer, unknown or difficult tracks will have a lot of lesser cars on the grid. Monza will have often many Lotus and Eagle's naturally...
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2015, 09:32:18 AM +0000 »

Pelle,
You start the season with 10 tokens & get 10 for each start. That's 110 tokens for a full 10 race season.

For example. last season I took Eagle X 3, Cooper x 3 & Brabham X 4 = 106 tokens.

Make sure you don't overspend tokens early in the season. If you take the Lotus for race 1, you will starts race 2 with 0 tokens. You get 10 for starting race 2 so you could use the Brabham or any lower car.

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 08:18:42 PM +0000 »

Dug this out of an old thread, for those who need it:

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Follow these instructions to restore the wall if you have a mod that has removed it:
METHOD 1: To place a wall between the pits and the track, rename or remove the kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
METHOD 2: To reinstall the original Papyrus Armco, rename or remove the Armco_s.mip file from your kyalami folder.

Drivers risk disqualification running without a pitwall.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2015, 09:53:11 PM +0000 »

That was a new one - as soon as I logged on to the server it reset the router laugh

Hope it's a good race, pretty much full grid..
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 01:43:50 AM +0000 »

...Hope it's a good race...

It was a great race, just 10 laps too long.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2015, 01:00:20 PM +0000 »

I am beginning to remember why I have never bothered with the 67 BRM in 8yrs of UKGPL and 12 yrs of total GPL  Undecided  I thought that it was about time I used it for a season, hopefully I could begin to understand how to set it up, and make it work.

Thus far I can announce that neither is happening!!  Undecided.
I was quite happy to start at the back of the grid with a plan to stay in touch with the midfield pack, but after the first few laps it all started to unravel as the rear tyres got hotter and hotter.
I was circulating with Jethro??  ( who  appeared to be having similar problems with his Lotus!!) for my last few laps, but my rear tyres had fallen off the cliff, to use current F1 terminology and the ass of my BRM was fully focused on getting in front at every corner. Each time the rear broke away the tyre temps climbed another 10deg, and the next corner presented even more problems.

Eventually it all got out of control and I ripped a wheel off against the armco  Sad.

Grats to Robert on some very quick times and to the podium and finishers.....one day I will have this Bl**dy Rubbish Metalthing driveable, but until then I am going to beat Arnold over the head with a broken front suspension arm!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2015, 03:29:45 PM +0000 »

Overheating tires will be more of a problem with the BRM since it's also heavier. I think it's important to have a neutral car, and not to push too much with it (not too much sideways), managing the tires. At some tracks it's a real problem. Hope you can figure it out Clive!

Had a good quali and race, happy with my drive. Qualifying sub19 and most racelaps in the 19s. Since I often use a slightly more conservative setup for the race, it's always hard for me to achieve my quali times in the race...

The Ferrari is a great handling car, easy to drive. Again Attilio had some probs early laps, and after that increased the gap to Dean. Dean, who ran a great race, was unlucky to get a mechanical losing second. Most eventful was doing a slalom through cars cars sitting at Jukskei Sweep. That was a close one...

Well done Pelle and Attilio for podium, and finishers. Commiserations to the retirements, and to Dean for his heartbreak...thanks to the lapped cars for the room!


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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2015, 03:57:27 PM +0000 »

I think it's important to have a neutral car, and not to push too much with it (not too much sideways), managing the tires. At some tracks it's a real problem. Hope you can figure it out Clive!

Neutral handling car  Huh Not too much sideways  Huh Huh Clive  Huh Huh Huh Your having a laugh Robert  laugh laugh laugh

Grats to the podium of Robert, Pelle and Attlio. Tough break Dean and nice drive Peter. Me, I just made one too many small mistakes to be within a sniff of the podium. But a PB at a track I have never had much luck at feels like a win. See you all at the next one.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2015, 04:20:23 PM +0000 »

I think it's important to have a neutral car, and not to push too much with it (not too much sideways), managing the tires. At some tracks it's a real problem. Hope you can figure it out Clive!

Neutral handling car  Huh Not too much sideways  Huh Huh Clive  Huh Huh Huh Your having a laugh Robert  laugh laugh laugh

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It's true Clive has a very spectacular oversteery style Wink

@ Clive: maybe try to take away some grip at the front (in general more wheelrate front, or stiffer frontbar, or higher tirepressures front) to get a more neutral balance (or reverse tweaks at the rear giving it more grip). Also being smooth on the throttle exiting, feathering to avoid wheelspin helps a lot. Also you could experiment with the diff settings having more or less rotation, it can work in both ways in my experience also depending on the track characteristic...

With this BRM hotlap setup I achieved 1m20.08s. Maybe compare the numbers you have.

Code:
FileName: 67 rf kyalami brm t.br1
Chassis: 1967 BRM P115-BRM H16 F1

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Front Tire Pressure, psi                   18            18,5
Front Wheel Rate, lbs/inch                 75            75
Front Bump                                 3             3
Front Rebound                              3             3
Front Camber, degrees                     -0,4999999     0,1
Front Bump Rubber, inches                  1             1

Front Toe In, inches                      -0,175
Front Roll Bar, lbs/inch                   150
Front Ride Height, inches                  2,5

Front Brake Bias                           49
Steering Ratio                             17
Fuel Level, gallons                        3

Rear Toe In, inches                        0,125
Rear Roll Bar, lbs/inch                    140
Rear Ride Height, inches                   2,5

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Rear Tire Pressure, psi                    19            19,5
Rear Wheel Rate, lbs/inch                  95            95
Rear Bump                                  3             3
Rear Rebound                               4             4
Rear Camber, degrees                      -0,55          0,2
Rear Bump Rubber, inches                   1             1

Power Angle, degrees                       85
Coast Angle, degrees                       60
Clutches                                   6

Gear 1                                    14/45          3,2143
Gear 2                                    15/38          2,5333
Gear 3                                    15/33          2,2
Gear 4                                    17/31          1,8235
Gear 5                                    19/29          1,5263
Gear 6                                    20/27          1,35
Gear Differential                         10/31          3,1

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2015, 06:27:58 PM +0000 »

Sideways??? moi??  I don't know what you mean!!  Roll Eyes

Thanks for your setup Robert, at first glance I can see several differences, but I will investigate further this evening.
With the setup that I had, I think that I had actually dialled in too much understeer and I was forced to use a stab on the gas to get the tail around or face a very slow entry into corners.
 Which is probably what was at the root of my tyre problems.

Be warned, I shall be lurking at the back of the grid in the BRM this season.  shifty

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2015, 09:04:22 PM +0000 »

Dismal race from me, at one of my fav tracks too.

I had PC issues a week or so back, that required a new install of Windows, which then meant the GPU wasn't recognized, etc, so had a fair amount of faffing to do before I could even get GPL to work.

Did a bit of praccy before the race and was happy with my pace.  Come the race however and I couldn't get near my potential.  After circulating in 5th for a while I had several issues in quick succession and found myself pretty much last.  I did catch up to a battle between Doni and Dave.  I took a lunge at Doni which wasn't really on and it ended in tears.  Sorry for that Doni, pleased you could continue.  I also continued but my screensaver decided to make it interesting for a few secs whilst Rob lapped me, pleased I didn't blindly take you out.  Have to remember to disable that.  After many more spins (may have had slight damage) I decided to end the suffering and park it!!

Not sure if it is me getting older but my eyes seemed to be taking a right beating from the screen and I found playing the game far from a pleasure

Cheers,

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2015, 09:21:08 PM +0000 »

I may be not much help Clive, but I've always found Gregor Huttu's setups to be an excellent base to work from. I used that this race and managed a PB in quali Smiley.

In the race, I enjoyed a consistent and spin-free outing which was pleasing but my pace wasn't brilliant and spent most of the race being overtaken instead of overtaking. Slightly disappointed to get lapped by Robert before race's end but pleased to have won the BRM trophy this outing  Wink.

Congrats to Rob, Pelle and Art and commiserations to Dean for that smoky engine. Unusual for a Repco unit to go bang.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2015, 12:51:45 AM +0000 »

Congrats Rob, Pelle, Attilio, and all! Excellent speed Rob and a nice job by Pelle!

Each time the rear broke away the tyre temps climbed another 10deg, and the next corner presented even more problems.

one day I will have this Bl**dy Rubbish Metalthing driveable,

I know that sentiment from the first statement. The second one, I have my doubts I'll ever do.

Thanks Sam and Rob. I need to try some other setups at some point.

Without two spins, I'd have probably got a very good result. But any time I tried to push just slight bit more, things started getting rather dramatic.

Every turn was drama for the first two laps. Somehow I managed to keep it on the track and pointed in the right direction. Plus with a collision directly in front of me, I wasn't feeling good.

Lap 3, I finally started getting some tire grip. As Doni slowly started closing on me, things started getting dramatic again. I got sideways at Sunset Bend four or five laps in a row. I started suffering like Clive from overheated tires. I finally got every thing under control again and then Jonny rapidly closes. I push it a little bit and miss my lift point for Leeukop Bend and slowly spin. I'm glad Jonny and Doni had no problem dealing with my spin. Unfortunately I panic and blindly try to get out of the middle of the track and hit Bob. Sad My apologies for the contribution to your woes.

Things are pretty sedate for a while after that, until shortly after Rob laps me. I get a little of the same excitement as Rob after Jukskei. Luckily I was shown a yellow flag. I could see Rob and Doni fine but I didn't notice Bob until late. Without the yellow I'd might have been going too fast to avoid an accident.

Then I'm behind Doni. The next time into Sunset I spin. I guess it had to happen at some point or another after many near misses there.

I could run low 22's without a problem, any faster I had all sorts of trouble. It takes more discipline than I have, to not try to push a little at some point during a race. I'm pleased to finish with the Bl**dy Rubbish Metalthing.

Thanks guys.

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