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« on: August 07, 2020, 11:09:31 PM +0100 » |
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Season 37 - Handicap Race – Monza 67The summer break is giving us a chance to try out some novel races. So here is another one. You may have noticed a new version of the Pit Stop patch (v2.0) was released by Lee Bowden on 25 Mar 2020. Lee has very kindly produced a custom version of the Pit Stop patch for UKGPL which allows the Pit Stop time to be adjusted by the user. This means we can run a Pit Stop race without worrying about keeping a track of the pit stop time with a stopwatch, the new patch does it all for us. To try out the new patch we are proposing a handicap race at the new Monza 67 track. “Privateer” drivers will be allowed a free choice of car but the “Works” drivers will need to take an extra long fuel stop (i.e. a handicap) if they decide to take one of the faster cars. In a 67F1 50min Long race, the tyres will last about 60% race distance. So one pit stop for tyres is required (I definitely wouldn't recommend trying to drive 40% of the race distance on worn tyres). Privateer drivers may decide to fuel for the full race distance or combine a fuel stop with their stop for tyres. This is a fun race so we will be using the intermediate damage option and unlimited resets without a S&G in the pit lane are allowed. However, a reset will refuel the car and replenish the tyre wear. Drivers who perform a reset are still required to do a pit stop for tyres and fuel. Privateers who decide to fuel for the full race distance but take a reset are still required to stop once for tyres. Race list | iGOR | Server | UKGPL_4 | IP address | 77.102.28.179 | Date | 23-08-2020 | Track | monza67 | Mod | 67F1 with 60fpsV2newmod | Damage | Int Long | Race time | ~ 21:30 UK time | Qualifying | 20:45 UK time - 45 minutes | Race length | 33 laps | Replay | here |
Works Drivers – Handicap TimesChassis | Handicap Time (Seconds) | Lotus | 90 | Eagle | 87 | Ferrari | 62 | Brabham | 46 | Honda | 45 | BRM | 26 | Cooper | 10 |
Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line. Password: see aboveInstructions on how to download and use the Pit Stop patch are here. However, for convenience they are reproduced below: Download the UKGPL Custom Patch from here and follow the installation instructions in the "Read_Me" file. The handicap time must be set using the "Pitstop Handicap Manager" before starting GEM+. The steps to be taken for a 67F1 race are: - Delete the "gplc67.exe" from the GPL installation directory (normally "C:\Sierra\GPL").
- Open the "Pitstop Handicap Manager" (i.e. run the "Pitstop Handicap Manager.exe").
- Use the slider to set the required handicap time.
- Press the "Save to Patch" button.
- Start GEM+ to rebuild the executable with the required handicap time.
- Ensure both options "77C Pit Stop v2.02" and "78X KeyPress v.08" are enabled in GEM+.
- Although not essential, it is advisable to check the pit stop time by performing a fuel stop off-line before starting a league race.
During the race, the pitstop is performed by following these steps: - The driver should enter the pits carefully and slowly approach their pit stall.
- The car should be brought to a stop exactly at the point where the pit board disappears.
- Pressing the "P" key initiates the refuelling.
- Pressing the "T" key initiates the tyre change.
- Refuelling and tyre changing is carried out sequentially not concurrently.
- The accelerator is disabled during refuelling and tyre changing and the pit board reappears.
- The pit board disappears when the refuelling and tyre changing is complete and the accelerator is re-enabled.
If you find the above steps confusing, please have a look at this guide, it contains screenshots which should clarify matters.
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Gareth
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2020, 10:02:18 AM +0100 » |
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I cant get it to work. The pits stop works in terms of t&p but the time delay doesn't.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2020, 10:49:31 AM +0100 » |
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Did you delete the gplc67.exe first? GEM+ doesn't always rebuild the patch.
You have to use the UKGPL custom patch, not the standard v2 from SRMZ but it looks like you are doing that.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2020, 11:05:36 AM +0100 » |
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yes and yes. I will delete it and start again. I firmly believe it is user error.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2020, 11:34:47 AM +0100 » |
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When I first followed Lee's instructions on SRMZ I couldn't the patch to work. It took it bit of trial and error. I've tried to carefully write down the correct steps but it is easy to make a mistske. I'll do a few screenshots to augment the instructions on the UKGPL web site. Hopefully that will make it easier for everyone.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2020, 11:49:36 AM +0100 » |
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A suggestion for anyone who hasn't experienced the tyre wear. The wear in "Training" is far higher than it is in any of the "Grand Prix", Long" or "Short" race formats. So if you try a training session you should hit the tyre wear limit in a few laps and see the smoke from the tyres as shown on Lee's SRMZ page (you need to have smoke enabled in the GPL Graphics Options).
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2020, 11:55:53 AM +0100 » |
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Thanks Phil, I recon its a bit Morecambe & Wise. Im doing all the right things, but not necessarily in the right order.
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2020, 12:04:17 PM +0100 » |
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Thanks Phil, I recon its a bit Morecambe & Wise. Im doing all the right things, but not necessarily in the right order. LOL, one of my all time favourite sketches. Please let me know when it works. I need to confirm my instructions are clear and understandable. It looks like you are the beta tester
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2020, 12:50:45 PM +0100 » |
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im my little test... The delay only works with fuel, tyres take 15 seconds regardless. I can only get the delay to register what i have asked in the slide bar if i delete "gplc67" every time i change it, then launch gem to recreate it.
One point of ambiguity; The read me file says..."Run the "Pitstop Handicap Manager.exe" and it will prompt you for the path to your GEM+ installation." is that the GEM folder or the exe. Also the browser window is asking for just the gplsecrets folder.
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2020, 01:36:13 PM +0100 » |
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im my little test... The delay only works with fuel, tyres take 15 seconds regardless.
Yes that is right. Changing tyres is separate and always takes the same time. You can do a fuel stop only or a tyre change only or both in the same pit stop. If you choose both the delays are done one after the other (not at the same time). It is entirely down to which P and T keys the user presses and in what order. I can only get the delay to register what i have asked in the slide bar if i delete "gplc67" every time i change it, then launch gem to recreate it.
Yes that's right. GEM+ doesn't rebuild the executables by default (even though it flashes up messages to say it has). If it decides it doesn't need to rebuild, it doesn't. However in this case it gets it wrong and doesn't rebuild as it should. So, as you have confirmed, the only way to be sure the patch is applied is to delete the gplc67.exe file first. One point of ambiguity; The read me file says..."Run the "Pitstop Handicap Manager.exe" and it will prompt you for the path to your GEM+ installation." is that the GEM folder or the exe. Also the browser window is asking for just the gplsecrets folder.
OK, thanks for checking that. I'll update the installation instructions. Thanks for the feedback Gareth. Much appreciated.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2020, 05:03:44 PM +0100 » |
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Although this race is a few weeks away, it would be good to have an indication of those who intend to try this new Pit Stop patch. Also, all feedback about the install/the setting of the time/ and the actual pit stop in action would be greatly appreciated. Please give us your thoughts about it if you trial it offline ( which is probably a good idea ). Lee Bowden ( he did the software) has been very accommodating and has included several changes that we requested, but it has to be you guys who use it in a race, who will decide how much fun it really is??!! In a perfect handicap race, the fastest driver/car combination would have the biggest handicap and the slowest would be the benchmark with zero handicap. If all drivers perform to their PB on each lap, the whole grid should reach the chequered flag almost together......if the track is wide enough!! Of course, this will never happen and all people make mistakes, big and small. But, the handicap should ensure that the aliens cannot run away at the front for 20 laps then relax and cruise to the finish. It is certain that the fastest driver will find that they are maybe a lap behind when they exit the pit stop ( lap record at Monza 1:26...pit stop for Lotus 1:30secs!!) and will have to really push hard to get back to the front of the field. Meanwhile the slower driver who has kept up a steady pace will have to concentrate right up to the end of the race as it is quite likely that the aliens will be chasing him down in the final few laps. We hope that this format will generate exciting races for each and every driver, with nothing decided until the final laps...........................
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2020, 06:46:36 PM +0100 » |
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I have tried it offline. In 'training' the tyre wear hits in 7 laps like flicking a switch, and its impossible to carry on, you'll have the same control and pace as if on 3 wheels. There seems to be a minimum 10 second refuel time, even if you set it to less. Whilst stopped it will register the T or P keypress request to refuel or change tyres if you are currently having the other done, even if its already been done. i.e. Stop. press T, then immediately press P. As soon as the tyres are changed it will start refuelling, if, when refuelling you press T again, when it finishes refuelling it will change your tyres again. It doesn't register beyond 1 cycle. The handicap delay times seem OK on the face of it, but the pros will be starting with half tanks, the ams wont.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2020, 08:45:43 PM +0100 » |
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I have tried it offline. In 'training' the tyre wear hits in 7 laps like flicking a switch, and its impossible to carry on, you'll have the same control and pace as if on 3 wheels.
Yes, hence my suggestion that to try to finish a race on worn out (smoking) tyres would be a mistake. It is possible to teeter around for half a lap to get back to the pits to change tyres but more than that would cost too much time. There seems to be a minimum 10 second refuel time, even if you set it to less.
Yes, that's why the minimum handicap time is 10 seconds. Whilst stopped it will register the T or P keypress request to refuel or change tyres if you are currently having the other done, even if its already been done. i.e. Stop. press T, then immediately press P. As soon as the tyres are changed it will start refuelling, if, when refuelling you press T again, when it finishes refuelling it will change your tyres again. It doesn't register beyond 1 cycle.
Thanks for spotting that, I hadn't noticed. I'll amend the instructions. The handicap delay times seem OK on the face of it, but the pros will be starting with half tanks, the ams wont.
Well it depends if the Privateers want to make a fuel stop. A zero handicap will result in a minimum 10 second fuel stop. I say "minimum" but it will be 10 seconds in this case. This is because the refuel rate is about 1.5 gallons/seconds and so in 10 seconds it will be possible to put about 15 gallons in the tank. In a 33 lap race there is no way any of the 67F1 cars will use 15 gallons in 17 laps (the Lotus should do at least 21 laps). So the Privateers can fuel for 33 laps and not refuel or fuel for 17 laps and refuel when they stop for tyres. They will have to stop for tyres unless they want to try to do 5 or 6 laps on worn out tyres (not recommended as you have confirmed). Incidentally tyre wear is dependent on driving style, so if you drive carefully you can make the tyres last a "bit" longer but not a "lot" longer.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2020, 09:32:53 PM +0100 » |
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I'm just playing with it and saying what I see. Nothing better than a race to test stuff. Look forward to it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2020, 01:11:46 PM +0100 » |
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I'm just playing with it and saying what I see. Nothing better than a race to test stuff. Look forward to it. All testing feedback is good, but I think we agree that race conditions are the way to test this new patch.
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