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May 26, 2013, 09:36:53 PM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
MagicArsouille
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.334
106.897mph
1 39:07.232
105.574mph
28 1:23.149
106.438mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 3 +0.840
106.248mph
2 +9.023
105.169mph
28 1:23.084
106.521mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 6 +1.150
105.854mph
3 +27.562
104.348mph
28 1:24.052
105.295mph
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 
Cooper T84 GPL F2 1 1:22.458
107.330mph
4 +32.333
104.139mph
28 1:22.292
107.547mph
Dunlop  
robert john
 
McLaren M4A GPL F2 14 +2.087
104.681mph
5 +33.602
104.084mph
28 1:23.371
106.155mph
Goodyear  
Dean_0
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +1.072
105.953mph
6 +39.336
103.834mph
28 1:23.188
106.388mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 8 +1.560
105.337mph
7 +53.231
103.233mph
28 1:23.314
106.227mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 7 +1.414
105.521mph
8 +1:01.491
102.879mph
28 1:23.970
105.397mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 9 +1.573
105.321mph
9 +1:03.710
102.784mph
28 1:24.045
105.303mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 12 +1.873
104.946mph
10 +1:13.913
102.351mph
28 1:23.759
105.663mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Matra MS7 GPL F2 13 +2.069
104.703mph
11 +2L
94.964mph
26 1:23.824
105.581mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 10 +1.670
105.199mph
12 +6L
102.082mph
22 1:23.917
105.464mph
Disco
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 48 GPL F2 4 +1.010
106.031mph
13 +11L
101.383mph
17 1:23.814
105.594mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 11 +1.770
105.075mph
14 +15L
103.123mph
13 1:24.243
105.056mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 15 15 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Red zone was clear - but it all gets messy after that. There were a tight calls here & these have been looked at by other moderators to ensure a fair outcome.


Server replay time: 0h02m06s

The server loses Al & Arf & finds them again on the same spot of tarmac.


Server replay time: 0h07m10s

Hristo rejoin on the entry to Moss. this was a rather high risk as H crosses the tarmac onto the opposite verge with cars approaching. Natan & Dean show good reactions to avoid Hristo. In these circumstance you should wait for a gap in traffic.


Server replay time: 0h12m11s

Hristo is us pursuing Dean 0 through T3. Hristo attacks the inside but brakes to avoid contact. Dean's car clips the kerb & Hristo can avoid hitting him. Whilst Hristo's car was very close to Dean there is no evidence of either direct or warp contact.


Server replay time: 0h12m53s

Ronnie passes Hristo recovering from the previous. He keeps to the left & there is a partial gap to the outside, although it does not look like a feasible opportunity to overtake. Hristo has part overlap but Ronnie squeezes the gap & they crash. Ronnie was entitled to his line but with a following car in close attendance moving across the track was asking for trouble. Hristo could have been a little more patient.


Server replay time: 0h13m03s

Ronnie's rejoins after the incident - he keeps tight to the left & all the following cars which got caught up in this really should have taken greater notice of the waved yellow flags. Ronnie did not noticeably pause to check the track was clear. The corner obscured the following cars from view but more care could have been taken.
The following driver's are technically due a caution for failing to abide by yellow flags - but this report is long enough already.


Server replay time: 0h20m29s

Axel is caught by Dean in the corner at the end of the long straight. Dean has virtually 100% overlap & Cookie turns into him. Dean would have been in Cookie's blindspot & it is a very fine margin when looking at fault. The guidance
is "you must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before a corner's turn-in point to have the right for room to be left for you by the ahead driver. Substantial overlap means at least that the front of your car is up to say the driver's position in the ahead car - and that's at the very least. You probably should have more in many circumstances. The ahead driver has ever right to be fully committed to the racing line of his choice without any interference if there was no overlap before he turned in". In this case Dean did just have sufficient overlap. In his report he asked for no penalty to be awarded.

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Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:22.458
107.356mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Cooper T84May 26, 2013, 09:36:53 PM +0100
S2467F2
Grand Prix Legends
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1:22.292
107.557mph
Hristo Itchov
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Cooper T84May 26, 2013, 09:36:53 PM +0100
S2467F2
May 26, 2013, 09:37:14 PM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T84 GPL F2 2 +0.098
104.352mph
1 40:08.421
102.902mph
28 1:25.067
104.049mph
Dunlop  
ed76
 Team Coyote
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:24.722
104.472mph
2 +23.377
101.913mph
28 1:25.779
103.185mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 3 +0.209
104.215mph
3 +26.898
101.765mph
28 1:25.828
103.126mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 4 +0.388
103.996mph
4 +27.604
101.736mph
28 1:25.222
103.859mph
Goodyear  
tintin
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 7 +0.925
103.344mph
5 +28.158
101.713mph
28 1:25.560
103.449mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +0.478
103.886mph
6 +28.551
101.696mph
28 1:24.379
104.897mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 6 +0.655
103.671mph
7 (+5) +59.550
100.419mph
28 1:25.284
103.784mph
Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 11 8 +4L
101.479mph
24 1:25.047
104.073mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 8 +3.931
99.840mph
9 +18L
97.656mph
10 1:26.952
101.793mph
accident
Dunlop  
Boggy
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 9 +57.142
62.391mph
10 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 10 11 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Red zone is clear - although Badblood has a comedy moment through Moss.


Server replay time: 0h29m41s

Fran runs off track & is very careless on the rejoin. Tin Tin only avoids Fran by spinning off track. Billy is closing at normal speed & takes the inside line. There is contact between Fran & Billy. Fran really should have kept to the outside but I will deal with this as one incident.
NOTE - as is usual incidents involving the moderator are decided by an independent moderator.

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« on: May 21, 2013, 10:44:42 PM +0100 »

THIS POST IS FOR THE LIGHT & HEAVY RACES

Round IX of the Formula 2 Trophy is the seasons last visit to North America with a race at Mosport in Canada. It’s a Papy original so little else to be said.

The series will run on two separate grids ~ The Lights will run on T7 & the Heavys on UKGPL 3. Please ensure you join the correct race. The Driver list is shown below & the Championship Table can be found here F2 Trophy

Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion.
In the Lights Hristo – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Dean Logan & Evil Clive Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus.
In the Heavys – Rainier – Group II, RogUk & Dave Curtis – Group III.  

A maximum of one reset is allowed per race & must be followed by a compulsory Stop & Go in the pit lane within two laps of the Reset. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded.
Incidents should be reported in the usual way.

In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation in the red zone which will be to the exit of β€œMoss” ( a favoured place for incidents so please take care) . The Moderator may chose to investigate any other incident, in addition to reported incidents & red zone incidents.

Please note that for UKGPL has introduced a system of penalties within each series for drivers accumulating yellow cards – see here
Penalty Points. Drivers incurring these penalties will receive a PM advising when a penalty has been applied & what race it should served.

LIGHT HEAVY
Arf Arf Badblood
Cookie Bernie
Evil Clive Billy Nobtrakes
Fulvio Bilto
Hristo Dave Curtis
King Hiro Geoff
Magic Arisoulle Giovanni
Natan Il Lupo
Phil Thornton
Bartosz Nigel Smith
Raoni Frizzo Paul Villers
Ronnie Peterson Rainier
FMGBoggy
Skymole Francesco
Al Hellar Pierre D
Doni Yourth Vosblod
Dean LoganAdam Cooper
Dean 0 Ed76
Robert John Tin Tin
UliDu Fossa
Jonny O RogUK
Maddog

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL3 & T7
Race date = Sunday 26-05-2013
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus oringinal
Race length = 28 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2013, 10:50:36 PM +0100 »


Ah,  so I can still take the dear little lo-la.  Great! 
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 11:22:20 AM +0100 »

wont be around for this , plan to be away sailing around bonnie scotland for the next week or three weather permitting   Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 12:47:28 PM +0100 »

Hope the weather improves for Bernie - it might not be Kiltworthy.  I think everyone in Britain, is aware of the horrible weather we've been having this year.  It seems to have somehow shrunk a Canadian track, on my computer.  I've been and beaten the Ukgpl F2 track record, using the dry version of Mosport Rain.  On closer examination, there is one detail that's different - the previous record came from a detuned 67 F1.  Those Trainer physics were the best we had, until Modder's magic set the record straight.  For old times sake, I think everyone should experience the old, F2 Training mode one more time, for this race.  I'll suffer the new improved reality, and hope to see all you Heavies at the finish line. Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2013, 10:25:15 AM +0100 »

Yeah, the original F2 trainers were quite good fun to race with, I've had a couple of proper league-like races with them myself in the past and it was always good close racing. I remember some Monza battles where lap time differences between 5-6 people at the front were just 1-2 tenths, so good close racing.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2013, 10:54:13 AM +0100 »

wont be around for this , plan to be away sailing around bonnie scotland for the next week or three weather permitting   Smiley

Bon Voyage mate, mind you keep it wet-side down eh.....Enjoy!! thumbup2
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2013, 03:34:29 PM +0100 »

T7 server is set for 28 laps Long race and listening on Igor in Consolle session with OpenGL-V2
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2013, 10:29:27 PM +0100 »

Bon Voyage mate, mind you keep it wet-side down eh.....Enjoy!! thumbup2

..technically, any bit that is in the water will be wet, be it the keel or the top of the mast  Grin
I'm sure he knows what you mean though.....

Anyway, very frustrating night. Joined with about 35 mins of qually to go, and had warp, latency drag, you name it. No way I could race like that. So rebooted PC, and modem, and came back in. Took best part of 15-20 mins, but when I cam back in things were fine, and I managed c. 8 laps of qually with no issues.

Started the race in formation, and everyone was behaving. However, as we came round the second last corner I saw my latency bar go crazy, and everyone around me disappear. Sadly for Al he reappeared just in the right place to get t-boned by me. Really sorry Al, have already got a copy of my incident ready to submit to the mods to show what happened.

I assumed that was me destined to another evening lapping alone, but twas not to be. Ended up having lots of laps right in the middle of it trying to chase down people, whilst I was hunted down myself. Had a long close battle with Jonny, but only after some total carnage on lap 9 involving 6 cars.. It looks like H and Ronnie had an incident ahead of a pack of me, Al, Fulvio and (a) Dean. Ronnie was coming back onto the track just as we all came down the hill towards the hairpin and everyone except (the) Dean was wiped out. I almost avoided it all by taking the grass, but Fulvio and Ronnie span round and into me.

So, after a shift+R and a trip to the pits I was backj out and into the fight with Jonny, which seemed to last until his engine expired(?) and that was it. I was still ejoying a good fight with a few people when my engine popped, and that was it for me...

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 10:33:04 PM +0100 »

You are a hard bunch!

Some pretty tight running initially,  then all seemed to be going ok (for me/from where I was sitting anyway)  until POP! about half distance.  Probably explains what that high pitched whining noise had been up until that point Smiley


It was all getting rather frantic at the last stages of the race.   I was catching up from some way back & could see about 3 places potentially for grabs.  Of course,  there is the matter of catching & passing - as well as staying there of course!

Was not to be in the end,  but certainly enjoyable.  Congrats to DR - well away up the front there.

Cheers,
Dave.
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2013, 11:05:17 PM +0100 »

Shunji Asunaru

I usually miss the practices and my start
... This time I passed the practices, beating my pb of 0.1 s and have the pole .

Fairly quickly I became 3rd behind Roguk I could run a little faster but I could not find a place to hang properly.
I followed the advice of  Sawaki Sensei "When the wise is not the way, it takes patience"
So I put in the lotus position and I meditated.
Even the return of Dave Curtis was unable to turn away from the teachings of my Zen Master .

Unfortunately when Roguk is off the track, Dave Rainier had 20s advance and Sawaki Sensei has provided nothing in such a case .
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Started the race in formation, and everyone was behaving. However, as we came round the second last corner I saw my latency bar go crazy, and everyone around me disappear. Sadly for Al he reappeared just in the right place to get t-boned by me. Really sorry Al, have already got a copy of my incident ready to submit to the mods to show what happened.

Not so much fun tonight. I seem to be the GPL warp-magnet lately Arf Undecided though I'm sure I saw Phil disappearing a couple of times later too? Well anyway that warp incident accounted for lap 1... then on lap 2, I came over the brow of 5a/Moss to find Fulvio doing a spin-turn in the middle of the track... wiped out twice in 2 laps hammer Then a few laps later battling with Dean, we came over the hill at T4 gunning it two-abreast just as Ronnie was slowly rejoining after an earlier incident. To make matters worse, Dean's car was shielding my view of Ronnie as we crested the hill, so it was only when Dean suddenly darted to the outside (impressive reactions by the way) that Ronnie's car was unveiled right in my path. As Arf said, I think Dean was the only one to escape the mayhem unscathed. Well done to Tris & the podium.  
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2013, 11:37:49 PM +0100 »

Appalling driving from some people in the mid-field, especially Ronnie. It just reinforces my view that he is simply unable to race other people in a constructive manner. Anyway, managed to recover up to 3rd, but an off and then fuel-saving mode meant I had to settle for 4th.

Grats to Tristan, Evil and Natan!
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2013, 12:03:18 PM +0100 »

Grats to Tristan on a clear win.

I was stunned when I joined qually a little late to see the times at the front of the grid. I usually try and qually on race fuel, but the difference between 1st and 10th on the grid was only about 1 .5 secs.....dammed close!!! So I dumped the fuel and went for a banzai lap with about 5mins to go because 10th on the grid would mean a hard race and a good chance of getting involved in some hassle at Moss in the early laps  Undecided Undecided
Luckily I hooked up a reasonably clean lap and squeezed up to 3rd spot for the start.

I knew that Hristo and Tris would set a cracking pace and I needed to be with them, so I did not want anyone leapfrogging me off the grid  Wink and there were a couple of fast cars behind me!!!
The plan worked and I was tucked nicely into 3rd as we completed lap1,  until I overdid the turn in to Moss and bounced over the kerb losing precious momentum and losing touch with Hristo and Tristan.

The next few laps were on the edge as I chased the leaders. I closed in slightly and then Hristo looked like he bottomed out in the dip and tested the armco... I was through into 2nd, but Tristan had a good 200mtrs lead!!

Slowly I reeled Tristan in until I was almost within slipstream range when we reached half distance. I always do a quick check on my fuel level at half distance ( the maths is easy at that point!! lol) and I got a shock!!  I thought I had put an extra couple of galls of fuel in at the start, but now I had less than half my fuel left and still half a race to run!!
So, I had to let Tristan go and concentrate on saving gas and short shifting, but still keep the pace fast to prevent anyone catching me, because I would not be able to put up a fight.
It seems that those behind were involved in their own battles and it allowed me to cruise to the finish and claim a lucky 2nd spot. Hristo has only to finish at Nurby to win this championship, but ....until the fat lady sings???   Who let Mabel Glutbucket back in here!!?Huh!!!

Just for anyone else's info...It seems that the Lola BMW is pretty good on fuel consumption and on a par with the FVA's until you start to really push that BMW engine close to max revs for long periods. Then it really sucks up the fuel. I reckon that in this race, I would have been OK for gas if I had had the use of someone's slipstream for maybe half the race as I had expected. But because I was on my own and really pushing hard trying to catch Tristan and using revs at the top end in each gear, my consumption was 10%-15% increased.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2013, 04:30:33 PM +0100 »

Sry for the spin ahead of you Al, but it was induced by another car out of control, Axel maybe?
A very disapponting race for me in one of my fav track ever since my F2 Advanced trainer times. After a pretty nice start where I climbed some spots, I had to restart at the back after my spin induced at Moss. Later I was involved in the big pile up at T4 and spent my jolly at pit. Restarted a bit nervous and soon touched rail at Moss damaging rear susp. I did a ton of spin with a bad oversteering car and almost decided to retire in frustration, but then learned how to keep the car in the right direction and finished the race 2 laps down and gained a couple of places for other misfortune.
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Started the race in formation, and everyone was behaving. However, as we came round the second last corner I saw my latency bar go crazy, and everyone around me disappear. Sadly for Al he reappeared just in the right place to get t-boned by me. Really sorry Al, have already got a copy of my incident ready to submit to the mods to show what happened.

Not so much fun tonight. I seem to be the GPL warp-magnet lately Arf Undecided though I'm sure I saw Phil disappearing a couple of times later too? Well anyway that warp incident accounted for lap 1... then on lap 2, I came over the brow of 5a/Moss to find Fulvio doing a spin-turn in the middle of the track... wiped out twice in 2 laps hammer Then a few laps later battling with Dean, we came over the hill at T4 gunning it two-abreast just as Ronnie was slowly rejoining after an earlier incident. To make matters worse, Dean's car was shielding my view of Ronnie as we crested the hill, so it was only when Dean suddenly darted to the outside (impressive reactions by the way) that Ronnie's car was unveiled right in my path. As Arf said, I think Dean was the only one to escape the mayhem unscathed. Well done to Tris & the podium.  
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2013, 04:45:50 PM +0100 »

Appalling driving from some people in the mid-field, especially Ronnie. It just reinforces my view that he is simply unable to race other people in a constructive manner.

 laugh laugh laugh laugh Please , I beg you, report the incident. Who knows, while I think you just got it wrong and punted me off track after having just got it wrong with Dean-O and punted him off track, the mods might think whatever your thinking? As a rule I just don't report this kind of thing myself but feel free to indulge yourself if you feel aggrieved.

The aftermath is different. I tried to rejoin the track as slowly and tightly to one side as I could but I was downhill and out of sight of anything coming over the brow next. At the time I did not see anyone coming and I'm sure you did not expect me to be there. Yes there was a yellow flag in view to warn you, having watched the replay, but you still did not know what was over the hill. While I think it was an unfortunate rejoin as opposed to a bad rejoin, I do feel partly responsible for the trouble I caused the following cars. No problem from me if any of you want to report this. Regardless sorry.

Grats to the podium.
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