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October 24, 2017, 08:36:03 PM +0100 - Indianapolis (Oval) - UKGPL Season 32 (2017-18) 1955 Grand Prix
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Ballast
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 1 1:03.294
142.217mph
1 48:24.973
139.439mph
45 1:03.558
141.627mph
Continental  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 3 +0.761
140.528mph
2 +30.770
137.978mph
45 1:04.050
140.539mph
Pirelli  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 2 +0.588
140.908mph
3 +39.598
137.564mph
45 1:04.148
140.324mph
Pirelli  
MagicArsouille
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 10 +1.473
138.983mph
4 +50.658
137.049mph
45 1:04.310
139.970mph
Continental  
ReiverEcosse
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 5 +1.071
139.851mph
5 (+2) +1:03.371
136.462mph
45 1:03.985
140.681mph
Pirelli  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 15 +2.266
137.302mph
6 +1:03.580
136.453mph
45 1:04.408
139.758mph
Continental  
DLogan
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 6 +1.072
139.849mph
7 +1:03.732
136.446mph
45 1:04.056
140.526mph
Pirelli  
Carlos Cendejas
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 8 +1.413
139.112mph
8 +1L
135.569mph
44 1:04.842
138.822mph
Pirelli  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 625 F1 1955 11 +1.915
138.041mph
9 +16.069
134.828mph
44 1:04.899
138.700mph
Englebert  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Ferrari 625 F1 1955 12 +1.951
137.965mph
10 +16.315
134.817mph
44 1:05.125
138.219mph
Englebert  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lancia D50 F1 1955 14 +2.082
137.688mph
11 +31.997
134.101mph
44 1:05.315
137.817mph
Pirelli  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 9 +1.429
139.077mph
12 +2L
133.172mph
43 1:04.756
139.006mph
Continental  
Ronniepeterson
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 4 +1.017
139.968mph
13 +12.544
132.600mph
43 1:04.867
138.769mph
Continental  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 13 +1.999
137.863mph
14 +14.916
132.492mph
43 1:05.266
137.920mph
Pirelli  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 16 +3.701
134.361mph
15 +19.871
132.268mph
43 1:06.021
136.343mph
Pirelli  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 625 F1 1955 17 +4.612
132.558mph
16 +47.594
131.027mph
43 1:07.378
133.597mph
Englebert  
Gareth
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 18 +15.753
113.875mph
17 +21L
135.594mph
24 1:04.479
139.604mph
Disco
Pirelli  
Will Tway
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 555 SS F1 1955 7 +1.197
139.578mph
18 +28L
129.372mph
17 1:05.782
136.838mph
Disco
Englebert  
60fps UKGPL8
 
Gordini T16 F1 1955 19 19 DNS ---
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Englebert  

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Ronnie and Dave both reported this as Lap 19, but nothing happened on Lap 19, so I spent several long minutes going forward for 5 laps and then back, until I found Lap 17!! At which point my replay shows Reiver and Ronnie exchanging paint samples??
Reiver is faster into T3 and holds a tighter line, it looks like he thought he had completed the pass and allows his car to drift out towards the wall. Unfortunately Ronnie is still alongside and they tangle.
Ronnie was in Reiver's blind spot but Reiver should have been more careful until he could actually see Ronnie in his mirror before moving across.
Penalty for Reiver moving across the track


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Lap 36 Reiver is closing fast on Doni and has the advantage of the tow plus a faster car.
He has admitted his fault and recognised that he was attempting a pass that was just not possible at that point. However Doni did suffer and I feel that a penalty is in order.
Penalty avoidable rear end collision 1 place


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Lap 13 Ronnie is running the low line in his Merc through T1/T2 and is closing on Fran who is running a wider line. The speed of the Merc gains more ground approaching T3 but does not get an overlap. Ronnie has been just about invisible to Fran for 3 corners and he turns in for T3 unaware that Ronnie is poking his car into a vanishing gap. There is contact and Fran suffers because he is on the outside. The accident is made worse because C.Cendejas is shadowing Ronnie and gives him an extra punt.
I am calling this a Racing Incident, but with an advisory to all 3 drivers. Indianapolis is a special case and racing on ovals often involves cars in very close proximity for extended periods.
Fran might have been aware that a car was gaining on him and had moved into his blind spot. Maybe he could have played safe and taken a wider line?
Ronnie was aiming for a gap that might well get closed and had not achieved any overlap to claim the inside line.
C.Cendejas could se the action unfolding ahead and could have just lifted slightly to give himself a better chance of avoiding any contact.
Racing Incident.

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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2017, 10:47:45 PM +0100 »

Some incident for me,is always difficult to understand where is the opponent on this track.
other things are that i have not seen a blue flag nor the flag for the end.
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2017, 10:59:23 PM +0100 »

It was Doni I nerfed. 

Doni, I'll report myself, that was a stupid snag and I should've given you room.
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2017, 11:02:45 PM +0100 »

I've loaded the chassis the drivers used into the token calculator spreadsheet.  For the next race the available tokens will be as declared in the table below (the table will also appear in the next race announcement).  The calculated values are automated but selecting the cars is a manual process so please check your tokens to make sure I haven't made a silly error.  There was no token overspend for this round so no one is disqualified.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver   TokensStatus
Robert Fleurke   
10
Pro
EvilClive
13
Pro
Ronniepeterson
22
Pro
DLogan
8
Pro
FullMetalGasket
15
Pro
Doni Yourth
15
Pro
Clive Loynes
25
Pro
Samb
17
Pro
MagicArsouille
10
Pro
Turkey Machine
10
Pro
GregT
15
Pro
Carlos Cendejas
5
Pro
Cookie
5
Pro
Billy Nobrakes   
18
Am
maddog
15
Am
bagrupp
7
Am
Geoff65
20
Am
Jeep
20
Am
Gareth
15
Am
Rainier
17
Am
Phil Thornton
17
Am
dave curtis
14
Am
francesco   
15
Am
ReiverEcosse
25
Am
Syd Drake
20
Am
Will Tway
18
Am
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2017, 11:23:08 PM +0100 »

............... so did some bed time reading on how to setup a car for an oval. It seemed to do the trick. The Merc was great to drive this round, with easy controllable slides without the front right suffering too much on the temperature front.

 

Please give a link because I couldn't find anything.   
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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2017, 01:44:37 AM +0100 »

..So sorry to Dean in T2...

No problem. I had some fun recovering.
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2017, 08:53:05 AM +0100 »

Towards the end Dean, Bastian and Reiver were having a battle royale for 5th place. I had a grandstand seat, but with the three of them battling hard in each other's slipstream I didn't have the legs to overtake! All seemed reluctant to lift off (understandable considering the circumstances with so few laps to go) so eventually backed off to allow them another lap of battling. Always glad to bag another win all the same.


Grats !

Thx for letting us race this out. I've noticed you but i guessed you will stay behind because you had 30 seconds to second place. Glad you enjoyed it.

and thx for the racing - reiver, dean, doni, anyone. Doni and i had a little touch, afterward i touched greg who lost the tow - sorry for that-

I had a terrible setup and was slower in the corners than all others. I tried to softer the left side after the race and did some more laps but it was terrible.
I always fail in setup the cars.
Maybe someone can send me an 1955 indy setup (any car) - [email protected] - thx in advance
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2017, 09:04:06 AM +0100 »

............... so did some bed time reading on how to setup a car for an oval. It seemed to do the trick. The Merc was great to drive this round, with easy controllable slides without the front right suffering too much on the temperature front.

 

Please give a link because I couldn't find anything.   


Grats to Sam and Axel and to all the finishers and especially to cars that were lapped. Sorry for getting in your way over the final laps....explanation below.  Roll Eyes

I have not had much joy in the past in the couple of oval races that I have tried, but I knew the secret had to be getting the setup right. So I tried some radical adjustments to enable the cars to get turned in T1 and T3 without backing off too much or destroying the front right tyre and I think I got it somewhere near right.

If you think it might help Clive, I can send you the setups that I cobbled together for Indy. I have one for the Mazza 250F ( which I used) and also one for the Lancia that you were wrestling. The Lancia was potentially quicker, but I felt that the  250F would be more of a challenge and it could have been much more fun if I had just stuck a couple more gallons in the tank.  Undecided  

The horrible truth about the fuel dawned on me around lap 15, when I glanced at the "laps to go" and the "fuel left". Alarm bells were ringing at the fuel level and a quick mental calculation told me that I needed to squeeze at least 2.5 laps from each gallon. Until that point I had been quite content to tag along behind Sam's Merc enjoying the tow, with spare revs in 5th to attempt a pass, but that would be something to try much later in the race. Even tucked in the Sam's slipstream my revs were too high and using too much gas....RATS!!!

Over the next few laps I checked how fast I was burning the gas and the answer somewhat spoiled my race. At the pace we were travelling I would not see the chequered flag!!! I considered a reset and a SnG, but that would cost a huge amount of time, so all I could do was ease back and bite my tongue ( very hard ) as Sam eased away  no  
Axel had dropped back after his incident and I was unsure just how much of a cushion I had. My slower pace might have compromised some of the cars that I was lapping...especially Greg (?) and Clive Loynes who I caught, but dare not pull away from. I actually wanted to find a fast tail ender to slipstream, but everyone pulled over as soon as I got in range!!! very correct, but really frustrating!!!

With around 6 laps to go I had to ease back even more as the fuel tank was looking very empty and now I had Axel closing in from his 3rd place. There was absolutely nothing that I could do to defend 2nd place and I was only at about 75% throttle on the straights and coasting into corners. The car was coughing on the last 2 laps and I I crossed the line to take a 3rd place just as the fuel vanished completely.
I guess it shows that even old timers like me can get the fuel calcs wrong, but I was quite chuffed that I did 2/3rds of the race running at reduced speed and still managed 3rd place in a car that was not an obvious choice * well that's how I see it  Wink )
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2017, 09:24:16 AM +0100 »

Towards the end Dean, Bastian and Reiver were having a battle royale for 5th place. I had a grandstand seat, but with the three of them battling hard in each other's slipstream I didn't have the legs to overtake! All seemed reluctant to lift off (understandable considering the circumstances with so few laps to go) so eventually backed off to allow them another lap of battling. Always glad to bag another win all the same.


Grats !

Thx for letting us race this out. I've noticed you but i guessed you will stay behind because you had 30 seconds to second place. Glad you enjoyed it.

and thx for the racing - reiver, dean, doni, anyone. Doni and i had a little touch, afterward i touched greg who lost the tow - sorry for that-

I had a terrible setup and was slower in the corners than all others. I tried to softer the left side after the race and did some more laps but it was terrible.
I always fail in setup the cars.
Maybe someone can send me an 1955 indy setup (any car) - [email protected] - thx in advance


Bagrupp.  When I get home I'll send you my MercSL and Lancia setups for Indy.  I got both cars down into the mid 1:04s with them in training but was a lot lot more consistent with the Lancia.  The Merc seems to have one possible line and if you are forced to deviate from it you lose a shed load of speed.  The crucial thing is the exit speeds from turns 2 and 4, it's worth losing time in 1 and 3 as long as your line out of 2 and 4 is better, and the Lancia can be slid out of those turns hard on the power . . . the Mercedes less so (and the extra weight means it accelerates more slowly anyway).  Axel was absolutely right, weight is a killer at Indy.

I was seriously impressed by the tow here.  Normal entry speed into Turn 1 and 3 I found to be about 153-155.  Towards the end of the race with a tow while I was in that fight with Dean and yourself I glanced down on entry into Turn 3 and we were doing 170!  That's a big big difference.

I reckon with a well set-up Lancia and a relay system of three cars you could be "passed" around the circuit and dip into the 1:02, maybe even lower.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2017, 10:06:33 AM +0100 »

Great - thanks very much.
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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2017, 10:26:23 AM +0100 »

I'm also interested to understand something about setup for this track.My mail is :[email protected]
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2017, 10:28:36 AM +0100 »

............... so did some bed time reading on how to setup a car for an oval. It seemed to do the trick. The Merc was great to drive this round, with easy controllable slides without the front right suffering too much on the temperature front.

 

Please give a link because I couldn't find anything.  


If you think it might help Clive, I can send you the setups that I cobbled together for Indy. I have one for the Mazza 250F ( which I used) and also one for the Lancia that you were wrestling. The Lancia was potentially quicker, but I felt that the  250F would be more of a challenge and it could have been much more fun if I had just stuck a couple more gallons in the tank.  Undecided  




Yes please.  I think that in addition to all the other problems I had killed the Lancia stone dead by over gearing it but I was still losing far too much speed in the corners.
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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2017, 10:44:22 AM +0100 »

Also interested by any good setup for 55 cars ! (my email should be on my profile). Thanks !

I am from far the slowest ever 55 drivers !

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2017, 11:16:12 AM +0100 »

IMO the racing line is essential for the tire temps, don't follow the dark line, but the tire marks are the ideal line Wink

my setup
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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2017, 12:05:23 PM +0100 »

Thanks Axel   thumbup2
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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2017, 01:18:19 PM +0100 »

............... so did some bed time reading on how to setup a car for an oval. It seemed to do the trick. The Merc was great to drive this round, with easy controllable slides without the front right suffering too much on the temperature front.

 

Please give a link because I couldn't find anything.  


If you think it might help Clive, I can send you the setups that I cobbled together for Indy. I have one for the Mazza 250F ( which I used) and also one for the Lancia that you were wrestling. The Lancia was potentially quicker, but I felt that the  250F would be more of a challenge and it could have been much more fun if I had just stuck a couple more gallons in the tank.  Undecided  




Yes please.  I think that in addition to all the other problems I had killed the Lancia stone dead by over gearing it but I was still losing far too much speed in the corners.
My email is on my profile.  All contributions gratefully received.   Grin

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I will send my Indy setups for the Lancia and the 250F to all those who asked for them later today. Please remember that they are ONLY FOR INDY, because they will be undriveable anywhere else!!!

Both setups have 4th and 5th gears very close so that in the early laps with a heavy fuel load you can drop a gear for T1 and T3 to get the nose in and not lose too much speed. It also allows you to accelerate the car through T2 and T4 using the power on oversteer to direct the car and save scrubbing the outside front tyre before shifting up to 5th for the straights  Grin

If you want the setups, but don't get them, post a reminder here  Wink
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