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November 07, 2017, 09:39:10 PM +0000 - Spa (1947-78) - UKGPL Season 32 (2017-18) 1955 Grand Prix
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Ballast
GregT
 Team Baarf
Ferrari 555 SS F1 1955 2 +3.718
130.352mph
1 48:39.749
129.746mph
12 4:01.903
130.502mph
Englebert  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 1 3:58.463
132.384mph
2 +3.827
129.576mph
12 4:00.575
131.222mph
Continental  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 4 +5.133
129.595mph
3 +31.530
128.360mph
12 4:02.535
130.162mph
Pirelli  
Ronniepeterson
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 5 +5.241
129.537mph
4 +46.236
127.723mph
12 4:05.093
128.803mph
Continental  
DLogan
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 16 5 +51.535
127.496mph
12 4:04.006
129.377mph
Continental  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 555 SS F1 1955 3 +3.834
130.290mph
6 +51.747
127.486mph
12 4:02.083
130.405mph
Englebert  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 625 F1 1955 11 +9.110
127.513mph
7 +1:20.504
126.265mph
12 4:03.791
129.491mph
Englebert  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 10 +8.982
127.579mph
8 +1:33.284
125.729mph
12 4:04.043
129.357mph
Pirelli  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lancia D50 F1 1955 6 +5.553
129.372mph
9 +1:44.207
125.275mph
12 4:04.199
129.275mph
Pirelli  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 12 +11.211
126.440mph
10 +2:25.423
123.590mph
12 4:07.435
127.584mph
Continental  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Lancia D50 F1 1955 14 11 +2:56.494
122.350mph
12 4:06.949
127.835mph
Pirelli  
ReiverEcosse
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 8 +8.176
127.996mph
12 +2:58.614
122.266mph
12 4:09.785
126.384mph
Continental  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 15 13 +3:48.120
120.343mph
12 4:12.867
124.843mph
Pirelli  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 9 +8.325
127.919mph
14 +6L
122.105mph
6 4:09.064
126.750mph
Disco
Pirelli  
60fps UKGPL8
 
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Englebert  

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132.384mph
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« on: November 06, 2017, 10:18:28 PM +0000 »

1955 Grand Prix – Season 32 – Round 4 – Spa-Francorchamps

The fourth race in the 1955 Grand Prix series takes us to Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium.  Designed in 1920 the original triangle-shaped course used public roads between the Belgian towns of Francorchamps, Malmedy, and Stavelot. The track was intended to have hosted its inaugural race in August 1921, however the first car race was held at the circuit in 1922. Spa was the fastest road circuit in Europe at the time, and it had a nasty reputation for being dangerous and very fast- it was a circuit known to be one for the brave, and most drivers were frightened of it. The old Spa circuit was unique in that speeds were consistently high with hardly any let-up at all for 3–4 minutes. This made it an extraordinarily difficult mental challenge (& ridiculously easy to crash).

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Qualification = 20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race = race starts at ~21:30 UK time
Race length = ~50 min -> 12 laps
Damage Model = Intermediate
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This season the 1955 Grand Prix cars will be using a token system which allows drivers to purchase any chassis of their choice for a given number of tokens as published on the championship standings page. Drivers classed as Amateurs will be allocated an additional 10 tokens.  The token allocation will not be managed in SRou this season so (unlike the 67F1 Works and 67F1 Privateer divisions) the tokens available to each driver will not appear in the championship table (when the mouse pointer is hovered over the driver's total).  Rather, the available tokens will be published in the race announcement.  See below.

Available Tokens:
Note: These are the tokens available to each driver before the 10 tokens are added for making the race start.

Driver   TokensStatus
Robert Fleurke   
10
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EvilClive
13
Pro
Ronniepeterson
22
Pro
DLogan
8
Pro
FullMetalGasket
15
Pro
Doni Yourth
15
Pro
Clive Loynes
25
Pro
Samb
17
Pro
MagicArsouille
10
Pro
Turkey Machine
10
Pro
GregT
15
Pro
Carlos Cendejas
5
Pro
Cookie
5
Pro
Billy Nobrakes   
18
Am
maddog
15
Am
bagrupp
7
Am
Geoff65
20
Am
Jeep
20
Am
Gareth
15
Am
Rainier
17
Am
Phil Thornton
17
Am
dave curtis
14
Am
francesco   
15
Am
ReiverEcosse
25
Am
Syd Drake
20
Am
Will Tway
18
Am
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 09:40:27 AM +0000 »

Last one who reduces himself to a shattered pulp smeared over the side of a Belgian cottage is a sissy!
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 11:12:05 AM +0000 »

Last one who reduces himself to a shattered pulp smeared over the side of a Belgian cottage is a sissy!

Unlikely to be me.  I find that this place at 60fps gives my pc the heebie-jeebies!

I do most of my practice at 36fps and find the Lancia a delight to drive.  On-line at 60fps it feels like someone else is wrestling with the steering wheel at the same time as me!  And he's a naff driver too!
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 01:51:27 PM +0000 »

Is there anyone out there running GPL on Win 10, with a Logitech G25 wheel??

I am struggling to get it feeling "right".

Currently the wheel works fine and gives a nice weight in the corners, but as soon as I straighten up and exceed 45mph, the damned thing wants to vibrate its way off the desk and  through the floor!!!

My wife is complaining about the resonance downstairs because it drowns out the TV!!!

If you have a similar setup that works would you please post here with your profiler settings and the CONTROL tab settings in GEM??  If I continue to wrestle with this beast I will have arms like a weightlifter and no wife!!  Undecided
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 01:58:09 PM +0000 »

Is there anyone out there running GPL on Win 10, with a Logitech G25 wheel??

I am struggling to get it feeling "right".

Currently the wheel works fine and gives a nice weight in the corners, but as soon as I straighten up and exceed 45mph, the damned thing wants to vibrate its way off the desk and  through the floor!!!

My wife is complaining about the resonance downstairs because it drowns out the TV!!!

If you have a similar setup that works would you please post here with your profiler settings and the CONTROL tab settings in GEM??  If I continue to wrestle with this beast I will have arms like a weightlifter and no wife!!  Undecided

No pain no gain Evil!

Is there a sneaky update for the profiler that you haven't found yet?
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 03:17:28 PM +0000 »

It is always good to find such morale boosting support offered from fellow simracers  Hit with a wet fish Hit with a wet fish Hit with a wet fish

Anyway  Roll Eyes, after much twiddling with settings etc.....then firing up GPL to test........shutting down......more adjustment....etc etc etc. I think I have found the offending parameter.  Wink

Because the wheel worked OK in GTL with no shaking, I figured that maybe, just maybe, it had to be one of the parameters within GEM??  By reducing the Latency to Zero I removed the shaking problem. But, that seems odd because I know that I had a value of around 0.2 on my old rig.

Perhaps, it is the relative values of all of the parameters that threw up the shaking anomaly??
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 04:11:30 PM +0000 »

Funny thing is that this shaking around the center is the result of the big deadzone (~15° !!!) those wheels have.
I know you use a very small rotation angle, what relatively enlarges this...  
You must have hit the sweet spot and produced an echo effect  Shocked

Look here : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=11285&#entry117560
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 05:09:49 PM +0000 »

This is really bad news Axel!  So now, in addition to requiring a new pc and a new operating system I also need a new wheel!

Crivens!  That's never going to get past the finance committee.   Cry

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 06:13:51 PM +0000 »

Well.. that is very interesting Axel.

Within the Logitech Profiler I have obviously set the steering deadzone to zero, but I guess that only means that it does not expand the hard wired default deadzone.

The only other wheel I have ever used is a Microsoft Sidewinder and the G25 always felt more solid. I have to say that I am unaware that I have a deadspot at the centre, at least I do not feel it when driving.

On the new rig I have set 220 deg rotation and have adjusted the FFB parameters so often that I forget where they are now.
The shaking was truly violent and felt like it was only in a very small zone within a couple of degrees at the centre position, certainly did not feel as much as 15 degrees!  If I applied minimal steering lock the vibration would stop and I would feel the FF start to feed in.

Now, with the GEM Latency value set at zero there is no vibration and if there is a deadspot at straight ahead, then I guess that I am so used to it that I do not notice as it feels "normal" to me.
As far as I am concerned the G25 works fine and I will not be changing it anytime soon.............unless it begins to smoke half way through races like my old Sidewinder did!!

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 06:21:50 PM +0000 »

As I understand this subject, there is a large dead band in the FFB but not in the steering input.

This probably explanes why Evil always wants his car at 45% to the direction of travel and a good hefty bit of opposite?

The rest of us, more sedate, G25 users just don't get to feel what the car is doing until it's too late?

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 06:29:15 PM +0000 »

Clive - based on Axels advice I changed the wheel settings to use the Force Feedback 2 option in GEM ( G27 which is basically the same as G25). Its a lot softer & I think more aligned to real forces. You will have to get actual settings from Axel. Otherwise I suspect your problem is driving the car in a straightline, seeing as your normal style is sideways.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 06:38:56 PM +0000 »

Well.. that is very interesting Axel.

Within the Logitech Profiler I have obviously set the steering deadzone to zero, but I guess that only means that it does not expand the hard wired default deadzone.

The only other wheel I have ever used is a Microsoft Sidewinder and the G25 always felt more solid. I have to say that I am unaware that I have a deadspot at the centre, at least I do not feel it when driving.

On the new rig I have set 220 deg rotation and have adjusted the FFB parameters so often that I forget where they are now.
The shaking was truly violent and felt like it was only in a very small zone within a couple of degrees at the centre position, certainly did not feel as much as 15 degrees!  If I applied minimal steering lock the vibration would stop and I would feel the FF start to feed in.

Now, with the GEM Latency value set at zero there is no vibration and if there is a deadspot at straight ahead, then I guess that I am so used to it that I do not notice as it feels "normal" to me.
As far as I am concerned the G25 works fine and I will not be changing it anytime soon.............unless it begins to smoke half way through races like my old Sidewinder did!!


Clive, in the profiler you should set 100% forces and the rest at 0% (no centering spring). Also I recommend setting rotation to 543 degrees, using around 8:1 strg ratio on GPL and strg hack disabled in GEM controls. Then you can make use of the range of the wheel also making the hairpins better. In GEM controls I use 0 latency and 0 damping. The amount of force (225 standard, higher number is weaker force) is a personal choice. I've set it weak to 335.  I drive at 100% linearity in GPL options/controls.

The MSFF and also G25 have deadzones in the FFB it seems, but I never felt that. Transiting to the G25 went very smoothly, also to the pedals now. Only catching the car is harder, I tend to overcorrect a lot so far when the max range of the MSFF (270 degrees) was a safe bet countersteering...

Recentlty I switched from brrr's ffb2 to ffb3test1 patch for FFB. Wink

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 10:36:22 PM +0000 »

Well, that was . . . eventful, in that every lap had it's own particular nightmare.

I was very happy with a 4:06.6 in Practice which was my best ever, but the race was shocking.

I had to shift-R twice, the first time I was slipstreaming Phil and so entraced was I by his rear axle I forgot to turn in for Masta and killed myself utterly.

Recovered from that and was enjoying quiet run in the top 10 which I would've been very happy with.  Then I took a speed shift before Blanchimont and my Mercedes exploded.  After that it was back to 12th, I had a crack at Bastian for the last two laps, but both times I got overexcited into La-Source and faffed the hairpin and let him get away.

Still, it seemed an epic race up front! I cannot conceive of the talent Tim and Greg and the others up front must have to get close or even under 4 minutes. I for one will be glad to see the less nerve shredding dunes of Zandvoort.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 10:41:17 PM +0000 »

Sorry to Fran for an optimistic manovre when you avoided and went off.

i hoped the lancia is faster after it takes 15 Tokens..or wa it just my setup again ? Made 162 mp/h without tow
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 10:45:24 PM +0000 »

I had a longer 5th on the Merc and was doing about 164 before entering Masta without a tow.  I think the Lancia seems able to keep the mid corner speeds up in a way the Merc can't though.
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